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So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« on: April 14, 2009, 09:19:48 am »
As from what Ive seen of the ship and trailers that is not star trek and that is not the Enterprise. Sorry I'm just not going to go see this piece of garbage or even rent it. Abrams has killed the show, so tired of time travel plots and mirror universes, that killed Enterprise which could have been better if they did not go over two seasons of the time war thingy, three was way too long. But again if what I saw from the trailers is what will be shown on the screen Then I'm not going to go and see it.

The last good star trek movie was number 10

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2009, 03:08:07 pm »
number 10 was horrible. the last great trek flick was VI. I really think that this movie is going to be fantastic. I'm a pretty hardcore trek fan - why else would I keep playing SFC after a decade - but that doesn't mean that I'm not open to new ideas. It's all about the IDIC, friend: new ideas are never bad.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2009, 06:43:40 pm »
number 10 was horrible. the last great trek flick was VI. I really think that this movie is going to be fantastic. I'm a pretty hardcore trek fan - why else would I keep playing SFC after a decade - but that doesn't mean that I'm not open to new ideas. It's all about the IDIC, friend: new ideas are never bad.

You didn't like first contact?  Also, there's a difference between new ideas and raping and donkey punching Star Trek.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2009, 08:39:42 pm »
It was cute, but it wasn't that great, but I'm not going to get into that here. I really don't think that its extreme enough to call it rape and donkey-punching. I'm dissapointed that people have decided to see the movie before they see it.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2009, 08:44:55 pm »
Keep in mind the words Kirk told Scotty in Trek III  : "New minds, fresh ideas... be tolerant"
But, dont stand behind Scotty's answer of  " If grandma had wheels, She'd be a wagon" either....    8)

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2009, 08:53:15 pm »


I'll see the film, but I too am sick of the time travel schtick.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2009, 09:12:08 pm »
I'm dissapointed that people have decided to see the movie before they see it.

TROST knows that he is alienating a large portion of the fanbase.  If there was anything in the film that wouldn't generate that sort of reaction, he would have released it to placate us.  He hasn't.  Therefore it probably does not exist.  I really hope this film fails so that there won't be two sequels.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2009, 09:18:40 pm »
Just saw an ad tonight, 'This is not your father's Star Trek' was the tag line.

If your going to make a Star Trek film for non-fans, why bother???!!! 

I hate it when people take a property and sex-it up and turn it in to a generic
digital explosion fest. 

Why didn't JJ just make 'JJ's Big Space Adventure', instead of peeing in my Wheaties?

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 10:05:17 pm »
Just saw an ad tonight, 'This is not your father's Star Trek' was the tag line.

If your going to make a Star Trek film for non-fans, why bother???!!! 

I hate it when people take a property and sex-it up and turn it in to a generic
digital explosion fest. 

Why didn't JJ just make 'JJ's Big Space Adventure', instead of peeing in my Wheaties?

Dave

hehe...reminds me of :

If activision is not going to include SFB in SFC3 why bother?

*whistles innocently* ::)

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 10:14:01 pm »
I hate it when people take a property and sex-it up and turn it in to a generic
digital explosion fest. 
Dave

This is exactly why so many new action/sci-fi movies suck. And it's too bad that people eat up stuff like that too.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2009, 10:16:28 pm »
Just saw an ad tonight, 'This is not your father's Star Trek' was the tag line.

If your going to make a Star Trek film for non-fans, why bother???!!! 

I hate it when people take a property and sex-it up and turn it in to a generic
digital explosion fest. 

Why didn't JJ just make 'JJ's Big Space Adventure', instead of peeing in my Wheaties?

Dave

hehe...reminds me of :

If activision is not going to include SFB in SFC3 why bother?

*whistles innocently* ::)

Well, you have seen what SFC3 has done.  Two houses for one game.  Neither really like the other.  Splitting comunities is not a great idea. 

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2009, 10:43:46 pm »
It needs to be okay that its not your dad's trek, I think. There is always going to be someone who objects. Look at it from the perspective of the non-trekkies, to them, Trekkies are an isolated breed. I really think this is an opportunity to show Non-Trekkies what Star Trek could be like. A cynic would say "well, if we have to mutate it for mainstream, then its not trek" and thats not neededly true. I have faith in Abrams. Lets let abrams show non-trekkies what trek is about. And lets keep an open mind - maybe it will be enjoyable to us, too.

Its like the story of galileo five on west wing. President Bartlet hosts a board of NASA experts on TV-in-classrooms to show students whats happening. They were looking for a broader topic and its turns out that NASA lost contact - its not about the probe, its about the fact that some kid in the back row who's afraid of raising his hand gets to see that sometimes its okay to mess up, even the experts do it.

There's a broader theme here at this movie, too. Its not just about satisfying trekkies, or trek lore, or even sylar-lovers. Its about creating an opportunity to show non-trekkies what trek can do. Maybe, there will be a few non-trekkies who go "you know, maybe its not so dorky after all, maybe there's something to it." If that happens, I'd love to be the guy who swoops in and be like "yeah, I'm a trek fan, and I gotta say, a lot of people have it all their preconceptions wrong - im glad to see you enjoyed it" even if I hear of one guy who says that I think the broader point of the movie is reached.

People have asked me why I'm such a trek fan. I tell them its the same reason that I'm a Lord of the Rings fan - there's so much Lore, there's so much history, there's so much in the universe that you dont even hear about in the show/movies. Its so rich. Look what those movies did for the franchise. I know dozens of people who went to the books after they saw the flicks and really enjoyed it. I've always been so bummed when people just go "its too hokey" I think this will cast it in a much less hokey light.


As far as the sex goes. Lets not forget how scantily clad the women were in the original series... if thats not sexual in nature, i don't know what is.

it was Nick Meyers (director of movies of 2 and 6) who said two great nuggets of wisdom: (1) Every piece of art is a result of the time in which it was made. We're never going to have a recreation of the original series, its never going to happen. Even New Frontiers is very different, despite all the visuals being very similar. Its a result of the fact that its modern. Lets take joy in that and see it unfold.
The other nugget of wisdom he mentioned was something from Doyle regarding sherlock. Doyle wasn't all that consistant - he had continuity errors all about, and he just ignored them - its not important. Don't let accuracy get in the way of a good story. In this context: Don't analyze it to death as far as its accuracy to established trek get in the way of it being a good story.

If its a bad story and innacurate, I'll be the first one to go "well that was crap" if its a good story and disposes some canon? I'm fine with that.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 10:45:08 pm »
I hate it when people take a property and sex-it up and turn it in to a generic
digital explosion fest. 
Dave

This is exactly why so many new action/sci-fi movies suck. And it's too bad that people eat up stuff like that too.

We don't know thats what they are doing. All I've seen is a planet explode (cuz star wars or even trek has never done that ..... </sarcasm>) a space battle (The wrath of khan had those, it turned out great), and one flash of a sex scene. That doesn't neededly mean that the entire movie is explosions and sex...
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 10:50:07 pm »
It needs to be okay that its not your dad's trek, I think. There is always going to be someone who objects. Look at it from the perspective of the non-trekkies, to them, Trekkies are an isolated breed. I really think this is an opportunity to show Non-Trekkies what Star Trek could be like. A cynic would say "well, if we have to mutate it for mainstream, then its not trek" and thats not neededly true. I have faith in Abrams. Lets let abrams show non-trekkies what trek is about. And lets keep an open mind - maybe it will be enjoyable to us, too.

Its like the story of galileo five on west wing. President Bartlet hosts a board of NASA experts on TV-in-classrooms to show students whats happening. They were looking for a broader topic and its turns out that NASA lost contact - its not about the probe, its about the fact that some kid in the back row who's afraid of raising his hand gets to see that sometimes its okay to mess up, even the experts do it.

There's a broader theme here at this movie, too. Its not just about satisfying trekkies, or trek lore, or even sylar-lovers. Its about creating an opportunity to show non-trekkies what trek can do. Maybe, there will be a few non-trekkies who go "you know, maybe its not so dorky after all, maybe there's something to it." If that happens, I'd love to be the guy who swoops in and be like "yeah, I'm a trek fan, and I gotta say, a lot of people have it all their preconceptions wrong - im glad to see you enjoyed it" even if I hear of one guy who says that I think the broader point of the movie is reached.

People have asked me why I'm such a trek fan. I tell them its the same reason that I'm a Lord of the Rings fan - there's so much Lore, there's so much history, there's so much in the universe that you dont even hear about in the show/movies. Its so rich. Look what those movies did for the franchise. I know dozens of people who went to the books after they saw the flicks and really enjoyed it. I've always been so bummed when people just go "its too hokey" I think this will cast it in a much less hokey light.


As far as the sex goes. Lets not forget how scantily clad the women were in the original series... if thats not sexual in nature, i don't know what is.

it was Nick Meyers (director of movies of 2 and 6) who said two great nuggets of wisdom: (1) Every piece of art is a result of the time in which it was made. We're never going to have a recreation of the original series, its never going to happen. Even New Frontiers is very different, despite all the visuals being very similar. Its a result of the fact that its modern. Lets take joy in that and see it unfold.
The other nugget of wisdom he mentioned was something from Doyle regarding sherlock. Doyle wasn't all that consistant - he had continuity errors all about, and he just ignored them - its not important. Don't let accuracy get in the way of a good story. In this context: Don't analyze it to death as far as its accuracy to established trek get in the way of it being a good story.

If its a bad story and innacurate, I'll be the first one to go "well that was crap" if its a good story and disposes some canon? I'm fine with that.

But this film won't be showing non-trek lovers what Star Trek is like, because it isn't Star Trek.  You want to attract non Trek fans to the franchise, you produce good films within the franchise.  You don't rape it.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 10:57:49 pm »
It needs to be okay that its not your dad's trek, I think. There is always going to be someone who objects. Look at it from the perspective of the non-trekkies, to them, Trekkies are an isolated breed. I really think this is an opportunity to show Non-Trekkies what Star Trek could be like. A cynic would say "well, if we have to mutate it for mainstream, then its not trek" and thats not neededly true. I have faith in Abrams. Lets let abrams show non-trekkies what trek is about. And lets keep an open mind - maybe it will be enjoyable to us, too.

Its like the story of galileo five on west wing. President Bartlet hosts a board of NASA experts on TV-in-classrooms to show students whats happening. They were looking for a broader topic and its turns out that NASA lost contact - its not about the probe, its about the fact that some kid in the back row who's afraid of raising his hand gets to see that sometimes its okay to mess up, even the experts do it.

There's a broader theme here at this movie, too. Its not just about satisfying trekkies, or trek lore, or even sylar-lovers. Its about creating an opportunity to show non-trekkies what trek can do. Maybe, there will be a few non-trekkies who go "you know, maybe its not so dorky after all, maybe there's something to it." If that happens, I'd love to be the guy who swoops in and be like "yeah, I'm a trek fan, and I gotta say, a lot of people have it all their preconceptions wrong - im glad to see you enjoyed it" even if I hear of one guy who says that I think the broader point of the movie is reached.

People have asked me why I'm such a trek fan. I tell them its the same reason that I'm a Lord of the Rings fan - there's so much Lore, there's so much history, there's so much in the universe that you dont even hear about in the show/movies. Its so rich. Look what those movies did for the franchise. I know dozens of people who went to the books after they saw the flicks and really enjoyed it. I've always been so bummed when people just go "its too hokey" I think this will cast it in a much less hokey light.


As far as the sex goes. Lets not forget how scantily clad the women were in the original series... if thats not sexual in nature, i don't know what is.

it was Nick Meyers (director of movies of 2 and 6) who said two great nuggets of wisdom: (1) Every piece of art is a result of the time in which it was made. We're never going to have a recreation of the original series, its never going to happen. Even New Frontiers is very different, despite all the visuals being very similar. Its a result of the fact that its modern. Lets take joy in that and see it unfold.
The other nugget of wisdom he mentioned was something from Doyle regarding sherlock. Doyle wasn't all that consistant - he had continuity errors all about, and he just ignored them - its not important. Don't let accuracy get in the way of a good story. In this context: Don't analyze it to death as far as its accuracy to established trek get in the way of it being a good story.

If its a bad story and innacurate, I'll be the first one to go "well that was crap" if its a good story and disposes some canon? I'm fine with that.

But this film won't be showing non-trek lovers what Star Trek is like, because it isn't Star Trek.

See my paragraph regarding cynicism.

We don't know that. We haven't seen it yet. If it turns out that its bad Star Trek, then I'll be the first to come back here and go "yeah, that was crap, i take it all back" but it may turn out to be very good Star Trek. My point is we won't know until we see it. I don't understand how people have decided that its not star trek without even seeing it.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2009, 11:07:12 pm »

See my paragraph regarding cynicism.

We don't know that. We haven't seen it yet. If it turns out that its bad Star Trek, then I'll be the first to come back here and go "yeah, that was crap, i take it all back" but it may turn out to be very good Star Trek. My point is we won't know until we see it. I don't understand how people have decided that its not star trek without even seeing it.

See my previous post.  Everything TROST has released indicates that he is raping Star Trek.  If he wasn't, he would have released a trailer to placate the fanbase.  He hasn't.  I refuse to even risk seeing this in theaters, because he's contracted to expand this film into a trilogy if its successful.  I'm not going to help him do that.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2009, 11:09:31 pm »

See my paragraph regarding cynicism.

We don't know that. We haven't seen it yet. If it turns out that its bad Star Trek, then I'll be the first to come back here and go "yeah, that was crap, i take it all back" but it may turn out to be very good Star Trek. My point is we won't know until we see it. I don't understand how people have decided that its not star trek without even seeing it.

See my previous post.  Everything TROST has released indicates that he is raping Star Trek.  If he wasn't, he would have released a trailer to placate the fanbase.  He hasn't.  I refuse to even risk seeing this in theaters, because he's contracted to expand this film into a trilogy if its successful.  I'm not going to help him do that.

Enjoy your night at home, I guess. I'm going to at least give it a try.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2009, 11:16:50 pm »
Im quoting a friend on this post

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You know, the older I get, the less I like my fellow geeks; I've never seen people suck the fun out of what they claim to enjoy as much as we do (and I'm just as guilty of it as other geeks are at times). As a long time, albeit lapsed, trekkie, I think as long as they get the characters right (and from the tiny bits we've seen, looks...  Read more like they're on the right track), they get some exciting visuals (but manage to avoid losing that special human touch), and tell a decent story, it's going to rock, and still manage to stay true to the things that drew folks to the series in the first place.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2009, 11:25:32 pm »
Im quoting a friend on this post

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You know, the older I get, the less I like my fellow geeks; I've never seen people suck the fun out of what they claim to enjoy as much as we do (and I'm just as guilty of it as other geeks are at times). As a long time, albeit lapsed, trekkie, I think as long as they get the characters right (and from the tiny bits we've seen, looks...  Read more like they're on the right track), they get some exciting visuals (but manage to avoid losing that special human touch), and tell a decent story, it's going to rock, and still manage to stay true to the things that drew folks to the series in the first place.

Is your friend aware that a major element of the plot revolves around McCoy smuggling cadet Kirk onto the ship?  Did he see the scene where Spock loses it and attacks Kirk in the trailer?

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2009, 11:31:33 pm »
Watch the spoilers.

I don't care about all that. They are taking a new stab at it - I'm okay with that, even with those elements. We also know that Vulcans do have emotions, but are more adept at hiding them. Kirk got Spock to burn through a brainwashing spore by ticking him off in the original series, so it has a precedent. As far as the McCoy? I'm okay with that even still.
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