Topic: So on May the 8th Star trek will die

[Ravok]

Just when the industry says "we done it all".....something like the matrix comes out...

Just glad they didnt make Kirk and Spock gay lovers...yet...

 I don't understand Crim??

 You didn't like the Matrix???

[Lieutenant_Q]

Personally, I liked the Matrix.  What I hate is these cheesy knock-offs of the Matrix style movie.

I hated Transformers.  Kill Bill was annoying.  What was that stupid movie with Jet Li?

Why is it that producers have to pile on a "style"?  That style then gets tired and worn out so fast, I don't think I can watch another movie that has that annoying sllloooowwww mooottttiiioooonn style...

[Centurus]

Not even in the Scary Movie movies?

[toasty0]

I hated Transformers.  Kill Bill was annoying.  What was that stupid movie with Jet Li?

The One

[FPF-DieHard]

No idea if this Star Trek will be good or bad until I see it.

Bingo.

I'm a huge DC comics fan.  Reboots/retcons/etc don't throw me for a loop.  Think of it as a parallel universe and move on.

[KBF-Crim]

Just when the industry says "we done it all".....something like the matrix comes out...

Just glad they didnt make Kirk and Spock gay lovers...yet...

 I don't understand Crim??

 You didn't like the Matrix???

No Sir...I absolutely LOVED them...but I would edit them down to just the best of the best and make a single movie out of it...*snicker*

My point is that hollywood is pre-occupied with remakes...claiming they have pumped the well dry...

When in fact ...many original gems pop out here and there...putting that claim to  falsehood....

What it is.... is laziness....

I dont mind sequels so much...as long as they arent totally different from the first movie/s

Such as a sequel being done by a completely different actor or director or having a "new fresh look" and totally changing the feel of the original movie....

But then they just cant help themselves....and they crank out Friday the 13th part 13 the original story....bleh.....done to death allready...shoot it in the head and bury it.

Superman?.....please

Batman?...eh.....maybe....

X-men?....well....it rocks...sue me...I love mutants....

Star trek?....*sigh*....couldnt someone come up with an original script?????????

Time traveling romulans from the future?...angry spock?....criminal Kirk?...entrprise built on the ground?????? WTF?...the ship couldnt even handle getting into shallow orbit....much less take off or land on a planet....LAME....

Let me use starwars as an example....

It rocked...chessy graphics and all....why?...because it original...it was something we hadnt seen before...a full fleshed out sci-fi universe.....young skywalker...jedi hero...darth...pure evil...

A well defined space opera...

then...after hooking us on the story line and plot...do we get more of the story?

eh....no...we'd already seen the meat of the story....the best part....

as lucas cherry picked the only part he thought had a hope of comercial success...he didnt even think he had a chance at another movie at first....and when it was a HUGE success...he was kinda trapped into taking the story from there....

Oh..but after he's a multi millionair  thanks to us?

We get a lucas morality play on blue screen...darth vader is actually the hero...story story isnt about luke at all...it's about his pappy....and we get a lucas finger wagged at us for going to war with terrorists...and we get a bait and switch to get us to pay for it...

And I'm certian I'm not the only one who, in retrospect...was utterly diappointed with everything but the eye candy...

This sums my feelings up pretty well.....

"it's like Lucas didnt even see the first three movies"

http://www.foldedspace.org/weblog/2005/04/why_star_wars_sucks.html

Sorry for the rant...

So...am I down on the new trek before I have even seen it?

Yep...I'm utterly disapointed that they couldnt find a part of trek to make that we havent seen before....

I'll accept it as part of an alternate universe and pass...it's been done to death in this universe...

[Ravok]

 Thanks Crim.  For the most part I agree.

 And I absolutely agree about the Matrix. I fear that was a once in a life time SF concept.
 We need more and better ideas , for scripts

 But I'm going to give the movie a chance. I subscribe to the parallel universe idea as well.

 You never know. 

[KBF-Crim]

Kung fu hustle....now THAT is a great movie...killier kung fu...and I laughed my ass off...

[Ravok]

Kung fu hustle....now THAT is a great movie...killier kung fu...and I laughed my ass off...

 

 One of my favorites !! Another that was inventive, and fresh.

 I think allot of the problem is too many Studios, and producers, pick scrips for the critics, not for the movie goer.
 
 If it cant be advertised as " A Touching picture of the soul " or some other inane drama crap, the critics don't want anything to do with it.

[KBF-Crim]

Kung fu hustle....now THAT is a great movie...killier kung fu...and I laughed my ass off...

 

 One of my favorites !! Another that was inventive, and fresh.

 I think allot of the problem is too many Studios, and producers, pick scrips for the critics, not for the movie goer.
 
 If it cant be advertised as " A Touching picture of the soul " or some other inane drama crap, the critics don't want anything to do with it.

No one ever erected a statue to a critic...

[Don Karnage]

if startrek is good, we will see.

but beside the startrek movie i have see something weird at the movie theater.

first the movie fast and furious is show now, weird cause i have rent that movie last year, so how com they show it like it was a new movie?

two: the ugly ducking and me, its weir cause i have download that movie i think in 2007 and it look like a amateur movie and yet the show it in theater, so what's happening?, nothing new to show so you go get old movies and some amateur movies to fill the void?

[Age]

I would still like to see a movie that brings Kirk back to life.

[Calexandre]

No need to diss the new Trek yet - movies have to suit the times otherwise there won't be revenue left to drive the franchise.

I was surprised how Nemesis had such bad reviews from the majority of the Trek community. But for those having a first contact with Trek, and thus watch the film without any prior expectations, they are quite frankly "assimilated" rather easily by how fluid and lifelike a Trek story can be - unlike the common misconception of technobabble, mucho talking and no action, which was the perception I was brought up with (a Star Wars fangroup you could tell).

Nemesis, and a liking for starships and naval strategy in general led me to the Bridge Commander game and then time and time again unearth a dusty copy of SFC: OP - because no other naval strategy conveyed that sense of tactical complexity as starships struggle for positional advantage.

Naturally, the lack of "intellectually complex" media led me to purchase season after season of Voyager, watch every single Trek film there was starting from the classic Wrath of Khan (why don't they make more films like those! Simple scenario yet so deep and immersive because the characters play themselves out!), and of course the fantastic TNG films.

Addiction for what I term "technobabble" has also spawned many hours of staring through technical manuals and the TOS novels - all that for a "crappy" movie like Nemesis

As an "enlightened" individual the new film might not have the impact Nemesis (on a rewatch I found only the ship to ship battles interesting) made on my person but for others, might be their first steps to discovering the magic of Star Trek.

[Starfox1701]

Look By now it should be obvious to anyone who has been a fan for mor than 20 minutes that Parmount  does not really listen to us the fans until they have so screwed the pooch they are losing money big time. Am I a fan of rebooting no. plane and simple but if you look at the state of continuity after Enterprise it was a bloody mess pure and simple and as much as I would have loved to see anything new and back in the time frame that the studio seems much better at writing for the Enterprise mess really needed some cleanup. What seems to be happening is a completly new Trek universe is being laid down. If the hard work of the actors; who by the way are the ones who have to carry this; is to be given a fair and honest evaluation; which unless you have precognitive power none of the rest of use beifit from; must wait untill after we see the movie. Do I like the ship no but for me its like redesigning Bond' Austin Martin from Gold Finger and passing it of as the original deal. But if the ever remake Gold Finger you can bet Bond will have a different car. Like everything or not anyone can nit pick things they don't like about a film to death. Hell I havehated something about every Trek film ever made. And remember I'm old enough to have seen them ALL in theaters. That does not mean most of them sucked. Infact over the years I have found something redeaming in each film and I have no reason to beleve this film will be any different.

[Czar Mohab]

Yeah, what he said!

Besides, the sound track sounds halfway decent.

Czar " " Mohab

[psytce]

I kind of tired of hearing how this movie is going to be the worst thing since sliced bread.

I have these questions to ask the naysayers:
How can they continue the original Star Trek when the actors playing the characters are too old, or gone?
Where to they go after Nemisis. which almost nobody liked?

And to everyone who is complaining about the "Time Travel, Altenate Universe", please explain to me how much complaining we would have to hear if they did this movie in the regular time line? What if the got 1 thing wrong .... most of you "Canonites"    would blow a gasket.......

I believe Gene himself had said something about New people and new stories, I don't remember the exact quote, but I know that what is going on right now is kind of what he was talking about ....


Give this a chance before you say all this bad stuff about it .....
I, for one, hope that this brings Star Trek back .......

[Starfox1701]

For the mouth of Lenard Nimoy to your ears listen and learn

"Canon is only important to certain people because they have to cling to their knowledge of the minutiae," Nimoy told Reuters. "Open your mind! Be a 'Star Trek' fan and open your mind and say, 'Where does Star Trek want to take me now'."

[marstone]

For the mouth of Lenard Nimoy to your ears listen and learn

"Canon is only important to certain people because they have to cling to their knowledge of the minutiae," Nimoy told Reuters. "Open your mind! Be a 'Star Trek' fan and open your mind and say, 'Where does Star Trek want to take me now'."

I will agree, I am going to give it a chance.  What the heck.  But I do put in this, if I watch a TV series, start to really like it, but every few months the storylines change, (Jim killed Bob, but later on Jack was the one who killed Bob), the characters change randomly (gosh, wasn't the lead a man?).  I think after alittle while I might lose interest in watching, even if each episode was good.

That being said, I like to look at each episode/movie as it's own little world.  If the main characters are the same (act mostly the same) just enjoy each story as a stand alone and be  happy.  It was how the series started, they didn't really worry about what was in the next episode, or what was in the last.  They were stand alone.

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

That being said, I like to look at each episode/movie as it's own little world.  If the main characters are the same (act mostly the same) just enjoy each story as a stand alone and be  happy.  It was how the series started, they didn't really worry about what was in the next episode, or what was in the last.  They were stand alone.

I agree. The stand-alone factor was one of the reasons TOS and The Next Gen are great. You could just jump in and enjoy it, although some of the continuity like Q and the Borg throughout the seasons of TNG were nice... but they were never about anything like a continuing war. That being said, my favorite shows currently airing are 24 and Lost, which are about the least stand-alone there is.

[knightstorm]

I wonder how much Nimoy is being paid for that BS.  And psytche, you may be tired of being told how much this film is going to suck, but I'm tired of being derisively called a cannonite, and being told that I should give this film a chance.  TROST has released nothing to indicate that this film is not going to be a rape of Star Trek.  As for why I'm complaining, I consider released elements of the film's plotline to be unbelievable stupid.  I also see TROST retconning away elements of the Star Trek cannon which I felt set it apart from low brow scifi.  I think its idiotic that he has to stuff the entire TOS cast onto the Enterprise on its maiden voyage.  And I don't even want to go into discussing Sulu with the folding katana here.