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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2009, 11:33:50 pm »
Watch the spoilers.

I don't care about all that. They are taking a new stab at it - I'm okay with that, even with those elements. We also know that Vulcans do have emotions, but are more adept at hiding them. Kirk got Spock to burn through a brainwashing spore by ticking him off in the original series, so it has a precedent. As far as the McCoy? I'm okay with that even still.

Spock only lost it during TOS when he was under the influence of something, and considering the fact that TOS was produced during the 60s, that was rather frequent.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2009, 11:36:16 pm »
Heh, Crim.  I wasn't going to touch that one.

Here's my take, if they don't want it to be "your Dad's Star Trek" then why are they using "your Dad's Star Trek".  Why not create a new world, new characters, etc. and throw all your flash and style in there, instead of changing things around.  Another thing, CUT OUT ALL THIS STUPID TIME TRAVEL STUFF!  I mean, really! lol.  Does it look like it has some cool stuff?  Sure.  There are some things I'm having a bit of trouble with.  I probably won't see it in theatres (I don't go much), and I do kind of hope there isn't a trilogy if it is a genearl rape job.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2009, 11:37:44 pm »
While I can honestly say there is a lot about the move that will undoubtedly touble me this is the 5th time I have been through some "major univeres changing" Star Trek thing. I am old enough to remeber when TOS was Star Trek. Before every body screems that it is forever heresy Think about how much each show has changed what came before it. And go back and look at SFC and SFB. If nothing had ever changed in Trek from the beginning TNG would have been like SFB and TOS not completly different then TOS.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2009, 11:42:13 pm »
Not too concerned about Spock loosing his cool, after all he is half-human.  And if you watch the Cage, you see him there not controlling his emotions.  McCoy and Kirk's relationship goes back much farther than Kirk and Spock's, I'm not sure how much of that is going to change simply because of a screwed up timeline.

I'm not ok with Chekov being in the movie.  Nor am I really ok with Pike being Kirk's "Adoptive Father."  Pike should be more like Kirk's older brother.

I may watch it, I may not.  I'm not as dead set against it as I was a few months ago, but I still don't like what i've seen thus far.  Maybe I'll buy six more boxes of Honey Smacks (I do love that cereal) and get the free Star Trek Jump Drive.  It's supposed to come pre-loaded with Movie Content.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2009, 11:59:16 pm »
While I can honestly say there is a lot about the move that will undoubtedly touble me this is the 5th time I have been through some "major univeres changing" Star Trek thing. I am old enough to remeber when TOS was Star Trek. Before every body screems that it is forever heresy Think about how much each show has changed what came before it. And go back and look at SFC and SFB. If nothing had ever changed in Trek from the beginning TNG would have been like SFB and TOS not completly different then TOS.

Heh, yeah, except that all those subsequent series changed the face of Trek by creating a world that came after that which came before (except Enterprise, which was a big mistake despite a great cast).  This seeks to change the face of what was.  Totally different.  If they had done the same story in the future of Trek with all new character names, I'm sure Trek fans would have eaten it up with a spoon, but you're messin' with history here (which is one of the reasons, along with bad writing, that Enterprise had it's problems, imo).

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2009, 12:05:15 am »
I enjoyed enterprise.

How many times has superman been rebooted? How many times has X-Men? people shouldn't be so nailed down to a single mythology.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2009, 12:09:36 am »
Part of X-Men has always been the Multi-verse.  A universe where Xavier leads the X-men, a universe where Magneto leads the X-men.  A universe where mutants are hunted, a universe where mutants are the hunters.  It was sometimes confusing (especially when you missed a few comics), but that is part of what it is.

For whatever reason I didn't like Superman, but the same can be said for Batman.  That's been rebooted too often, although the latest version, I am liking very much.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2009, 12:32:30 am »
Heh, Crim.  I wasn't going to touch that one.

Here's my take, if they don't want it to be "your Dad's Star Trek" then why are they using "your Dad's Star Trek".  Why not create a new world, new characters, etc. and throw all your flash and style in there, instead of changing things around.  Another thing, CUT OUT ALL THIS STUPID TIME TRAVEL STUFF!  I mean, really! lol.  Does it look like it has some cool stuff?  Sure.  There are some things I'm having a bit of trouble with.  I probably won't see it in theatres (I don't go much), and I do kind of hope there isn't a trilogy if it is a genearl rape job.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2009, 12:38:08 am »
Just when the industry says "we done it all".....something like the matrix comes out...

Just glad they didnt make Kirk and Spock gay lovers...yet...

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2009, 12:47:17 am »
Just when the industry says "we done it all".....something like the matrix comes out...

Just glad they didnt make Kirk and Spock gay lovers...yet...

Heh, it'll come.  In movie two we find that during Pon Far, a Vulcan actually changes gender. lol.  That's why it's so painful.  They are put together with a mate who is of an opposing cycle so that they are always able to mate.  There it is.  Wow, that's edgy.  It's gotta be in there, and people are going to love it.  ;)

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2009, 10:21:29 am »
Just when the industry says "we done it all".....something like the matrix comes out...

Just glad they didnt make Kirk and Spock gay lovers...yet...

They're not? I've always thought Kirk started acting a bit effeminate/emotional when Spock was around...and Bones? Bones was the nagging mother-n-law.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2009, 11:51:12 am »
For whatever reason I didn't like Superman, but the same can be said for Batman.  That's been rebooted too often, although the latest version, I am liking very much.

There are differences between "rebooting" Star Trek and "rebooting" a super hero comic.

The comic books make a fundamental mistake.  They hook events in the comic books to the real world while not letting the characters age proportional to those events.  For example Iron Man originated in the Korean war and is still active 50 years later, either the character should be in his 70s or older or they needed to rewrite it (into the Vietnam war last I read).  Batman is even worse as he was a mature man when the character was created in the 1930's.  The age of the characters no longer matched the events of their lives, a reboot was needed to compensate.  Even with the reboots they tried to be true to the character as originally created.

Star Trek as a (primarily) live action TV based "future world" has not been tied to events in the real world.  The characters could be allowed to age as the actors aged. 

Keep in mind the words Kirk told Scotty in Trek III  : "New minds, fresh ideas... be tolerant"
But, dont stand behind Scotty's answer of  " If grandma had wheels, She'd be a wagon" either....    8)

No one objects to new idea, only to changing what already exists.  I object to the revision of the Klingons post TOS, not the appearance but the culture.  I don't object to the Vulcans as they are effectively the same race (allowing for changes with time).

Consecutive series have been based in different eras and it was definitely possible to keep the series consistant without conflicts between them.  The movies could be put into the same context.  Many fans (argurably most) don't want to see this continuity wantonly broken when there is no need.  Myself among them.

It was possible with this movie to make it in a fashion that was compatible with the history that went before, they have apparently chosen not to.  It was possible to create Enterprise while respecting what went before.  What overwhelming need did they have to ignore the continuity when "creating" Enterprise? 

Why could they not have used a different ship the co-existed with the NCC-1701 and created a new crew for it if they wanted to do THIS story is the Star Trek Universe?   They could even have used the 1701B and filled in some of the missing history.  They didn't NEED to revise what was already part of the series.

You didn't like first contact?  Also, there's a difference between new ideas and raping and donkey punching Star Trek.

Could they not have filmed First Contact without moving Zefram Cochrane from Alpha Centauri to Earth?  Why do they make these wanton changes?

So WHY do they need to reboot?

If activision is not going to include SFB in SFC3 why bother?

The objection is actually the same.  SFC 3 is changed so much it deserves a new name.  Change Star Trek enough and again it should be divorced from Star Trek and given its own new identity. 

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2009, 12:28:50 pm »
Just like they did with James Bond...right...

Ah...but that's RIGHT...they DID do a reboot with James Bond...and it was pretty good.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2009, 12:52:30 pm »
Just like they did with James Bond...right...

Ah...but that's RIGHT...they DID do a reboot with James Bond...and it was pretty good.

No idea if this Star Trek will be good or bad until I see it.

Bond?...good?

I was so pissed off by the end of solace I may never see another bond flick again...

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2009, 01:05:50 pm »
Ah...but that's RIGHT...they DID do a reboot with James Bond...and it was pretty good.

Bond, like the comic books was set on a back drop of the real world, that forces him to either age or get reboots.   It also didn't have its own continuity as Trek does.   Each "episode" was pretty much stand alone. 
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2009, 04:58:27 pm »
Just saw an ad tonight, 'This is not your father's Star Trek' was the tag line.

If your going to make a Star Trek film for non-fans, why bother???!!! 

I hate it when people take a property and sex-it up and turn it in to a generic
digital explosion fest. 

Why didn't JJ just make 'JJ's Big Space Adventure', instead of peeing in my Wheaties?

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hehe...reminds me of :

If activision is not going to include SFB in SFC3 why bother?

*whistles innocently* ::)
They did though instead of bpv you get mass and instead of ecm/eccm you got av.

This has more of a new BFG look to it except I still don't like the ship.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2009, 06:21:11 pm »
I heard a lot of the same talk about BSG and it turned out great. I'm going to gave it a chance. But I hope there isn't any time travel.
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2009, 06:48:20 pm »
Abrams has killed the show,
Want to know what really kills shows?

Thoughts like that.

It is so easy to blame the director, isn't it?
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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2009, 06:49:01 pm »
When this comes out, there's going to be 4 types of people watching it:

Those who theater-go and pay lots of money to see it,

Those who rent it (through various means) and pay a lot less to see it,

Those who go to the library after a few years and check it out,

Those who don't see it, ever.

I feel that no matter the course of the film, those in the fourth group will be missing out.

As for my family's history of Trek:

My dad would go to his mother's house on Wednesdays to watch it on the color TV.
My brother cried when the Big E blew up at the end of III.
My Trek was TNG, and I admit I cried a little when the Big E-D crashed in Generations.
My Wife's Trek was Enterprise, and while she did complain that the time travel BS was overdone, she and I liked it.

Honestly, 11 should be about how something happens in the post-Nemisis time and some ship and some crew happen to save the day. The best that I could hope for with any subsequent movie (which now looks like it won't happen) would be that the new ship with all new crew is staged in the movie and setting the stage for a new series, with the same crew and same ship; all the Trek-no-bable and Trek Lore we've all come to love.

BUT,  11's going to be something different. Let it be. Let it lead to two more shows that (hopefully) expand on what's happened here and tells us all that things will be OK. Let this be the Trek that people are willing to drive 50+ miles to watch on a friend/relative's Blu-Ray + 60" HDTV because their 25 incher just isn't good enough. Let this be the Trek where newcomers have a few quibbles, but ultimately enjoyed the show. Let this be the Trek where the audience feels the emotions of a particular scene, perhaps crying over a lost loved one.

It is someone else's turn at the helm. Let them have it for a while. If they crash the ship, she'll still float. What is loved endures, and Star Trek... Star Trek will endure this. Just as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.

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Re: So on May the 8th Star trek will die
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2009, 03:10:56 pm »
Want to know what really kills shows?

What kills shows is delivering what the fans don't want to watch.

Messing with continuity (Showing Firefly out of sequence and Enterprise for 2 examples)

Not understanding your audience (Galactica 1980.  Enough said?)

Putting it in a time slot where the fans can't or won't watch it.

Constantly changing the time slot.

Executives saying "I don't like it so it can't be popular" instead of checking in with reality (see the death of the "country shows" like the Beverly Hillbillies and Green Acres for example)
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