Topic: I would advise modellers to check the following.... (Read 4246 times)

Major A Payne · « **on:** March 07, 2009, 02:41:45 am »

http://www.moddb.com/mods/star-wars-vs-star-trek-vs-babylon-5-vs-star-gate

The reason being is that this mod contains a hell of alot of familiar ship models in it and I certainly recognise at least two which I'm certain are mine. I'm of the mind that seeing as I've not received any permission request from this mods creator that other modellers may not have received permission themselves. I'll know as soon as it becomes available but Raven Nights "Reman Saif" class was pictured and a couple of days later the image was gone. This leads me to believe that these models are unnauthorised and I advise others to keep a very close eye on the mod due to this suspicion.

Kreeargh · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2009, 06:40:31 pm »

Yea i see my bsg Cygnus there http://www.moddb.com/mods/star-wars-vs-star-trek-vs-babylon-5-vs-star-gate/images/bs-179-cygnus#imagebox and that might be my Atlantis from freelancer? i don't think that version was at battleclinic

I wont be able to tell unless i see the bottom

If that is my Atlantis then they took it from 1 of 3 mods i know of from freelancer

I will pass this info around to a few.

Major A Payne · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2009, 01:53:03 am »

No problem Kreeargh. When its released I'll be able to check much closer.

Adonis · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:01:04 am »

Please do. I have forwarded the first post to BCC too.

Arcanum · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:01:28 pm »

Hi There

I took a look out of curiousity and found that there is a WZ klink in there - still has his insignia on the nacell wing stub.

And a lot of really familiar ships indeed. Including that newer Yamato class FBB.

Norsehound · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:06:06 pm »

As an artist, I would.

I wouldn't mind if it's a model for use in SFC, or something of that nature. But when it's being included in a third party compilation, I'd rather be notified that it became a part of that compilation rather than finding it out on my own.

Or even worse, someone confuses my model for something that came out of that project.

I had my avatar over at Relic commandeered by someone else, and I wasn't too happy with that. I suppose it depends on your disposition to how your models were used, but it's a courtesy to be informed first.

Fedman NCC-3758 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:08:43 pm »

If they have enough time to make the Mod, they have enough time to give proper credit.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:14:08 pm »

Noticed that some of the stuff I ported to SFC for B5 is in there, but their Omega Class isn't one that I did. (Mine had the front structural ribs on the gravity hull).

I've seen three of them before on my PC.. didn't see any closeups closeup enough of the Feddies to see if any of the ones I worked on are in there or not.

Reading through the posts, this one I find interesting..

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.moddb.com/mods/star-wars-vs-star-trek-vs-babylon-5-vs-star-gate&ei=H3a0ScL-HYnKtQPnvdHVAQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.moddb.com/mods/star-wars-vs-star-trek-vs-babylon-5-vs-star-gate%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

" st-39120
st-39120 Jan 28 2009, 8:09am says: st-39120 Jan 28 2009, 8:09 am says:

Hello all with each other ...

As one of the Mod bolted together are not necessarily the time and feel like going the same questions, whether by e-mail or in the forum to answer I will say something mahl.

The mod will appear in May 2009, there are now so fell units placed in the mod is not for each vessel will be more pictures, all vessels are completely created in-house production (3D Max), Some models are from the net but its density was so polygon high (up than 300000 pixels) that they almost had to be completely overhauled and now no longer with those ships have to do in the first Mod 1.0, almost the entire space of the mod's included .. There are a plethora! , In 2.0, there are ground troops, buildings, etc. to, yes, the gun towers will rotate and whether it is in the rotation section of the Omega Destroyer hinhaut, he does what he can, the tests with the towers in any case, true success, as the Mod Free will and the right to remain in the authors of this work is not illegal,
A translation into English is not so simple, the entire XML file must be rewritten,
A hells work. "

So they're saying that all the ships have been replaced (?) with in-house models... so... they even copied WZ's logo for the Klink on an inhouse model? Hmmmm...

But on the other hand, the same thing happened to me before when Bridge Commander was first starting up.. and I got all that anger out then. I'm just assuming that this is a group of 15 year olds trying to make themselves feel important. It's what had happened before. (now get off my lawn!)

Xarian_Prime · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2009, 10:08:20 pm »

Im still spending alota time (away from my mod mind u).. chasing up the right permissions before i even Post a screenshot .... or code a model in game.. this makes me sick... Hell, I even just singed in here becuase alot of you are here.. so i can ask and make it all "permissable" before i "go to town" on my mod....

And yes guys.. some of there are well and truly your models from BC.. I can spot em a mile away now. can't name exact names.. but i do recognize a fair lot from my "hold" file.. (were all your models go to await Permission).

Its taking me months to secure permissions... and im still going... How freakin dare they.. makes me sooooooo mad!!..

Oh and BTW.. hehe

Hia all.. some here know me some don't, Im a friendly guy.. and wish to speak to a fair few of you modelers.. love the work u do.. was asked by a m8 to check this topic (basicaly becuse i just converted many myself for FL and have a fresh memory of whats/whos..) though it might be easyer to just join here.. then i can talk to you all in person

Hope ye draw and quater these lot...

Peace.
-Xarian.

Major A Payne · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2009, 08:31:03 am »

Hello again all. I've got an update. I message the creator of this mod from their own website and the insignia class is the oneI built. Apparently alot of the models were obtained from Battleclinic and according to the him, he didn't see any credits, which is a big steaming pile of BS. He also claimed the Tac cube is the C2X (or CX2) but after seeing both the texture on the tac cube he's using doesn't match but IS from the one that is acredited to me on Battleclinic.

After this admission its makes me wonder just how many more ships are in there, but I'm also wanting the actual mod itself, so I can basically pick it apart and find anything I might have done. Once I have complete proof and seeing as I wasn't contacted for permission to use them, I'm going to be doing what I feel is the right course.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2009, 09:04:22 am »

Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried emailing him? Before we get all ramboed up, i mean.

Raven Night · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2009, 10:16:34 am »

Well, he first told me my models were actually rebuilds. Now he is saying he has removed them. It still boggles my mind why people cant simply post credits. Its all I ask, but apparently its too much to ask lol.

Terradyhne · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2009, 11:41:16 am »

why don't you just mail the moddb staff that there have been isues with permission and credit for models in the mod, i wonder what these guys have to say to it ???

Major A Payne · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2009, 01:20:03 pm »

I've taken the liberty of contacting MODDB staff with regards to this and it'll take up to 48 hours before a response is issued.

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2009, 02:47:52 pm »

Either way it goes just relax guys.

If you are trying to be helpful and explain things to them you get better results than attacking them outright. Usually one person on a mod staff is not the right person to talk to, as they tend to have no information on that part of the mod. There is a post by one of them saying they are seeking premissions from various artists. If the ships are from BC there was a problem there at one point where allot of the ships are uncredited, or miscredited if you use the readme files in them.

And how many of those older ships even have the right e-mail addresses in them?
I know I have go through a few address changes over the years.
So yes it can take along time to find the orginal author and secure their premission.
Any of you remember the Churchill I redid finding Anarion took me 6 months and it was by luck that I did. He was forwarded the e-mail by his old ISP just before they shutdown, Very nice person to talk to also by the way, which was very nice of that ISP.

Except for Raven I don't think any of us had anything about Pics being shown in a WIP post. We all have it for approval before the mod should be released. As long as they get the premissions before they release it, then I don't see a problem. Remember you guys are looking at a WIP right now not a finished released project, so why not try to be helpful and ask them what ships they are using and if they need help tracking any of the authors down.

jayvt3 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 10, 2009, 01:16:28 pm »

first i would like to say that it was only a matter of time before this happened.

i took a look for myself and i can honestly say that there are SEVERAL ships that, while are not mine by construction, but i did some tweaking to the skins. i.e. added a phaser bank here, used a bit more coloring there.

i had them posted in my yahoo site account until i just let them die out. most of the work was from WZ45 and DTW.

now for the really bad news...guys there ain't a damn thing that can be done. once the item is posted on a public domain site like dynaverse or battleclinic, gets downloaded by some chump in canada. he/she can do ANYTHING that they want with it to and include claiming the work is theirs.

international laws concerning the internet are geared toward prevention and apprehension of child-pornographers, entertainment piracy, stock and financial manipulations and harrassing or threatening corespondances. INTERPOL isn't going to give a bucket of cold piss over some "Star Trek" models.

when it comes to the production of models, such as the ones produced here and posted on public sites, the only guarantee that the model will not be used for personal gain is the honesty of the person(s) that downloaded it.

sorry guys but if this person or persons have a good game, they submit it to a company for TnE (testisng and evaluation), the company likes it and goes with it...you guys are S-O-L.
THQ, EA and the rest have teams of starving modellers that will tweak and twist your originals into what they want and as long as they get the nod from Paramount or whom ever owns the copyrights then it's theirs and not yours.

by the way when i let the yahoo sites die the data that was on there was not deleted but sent to a data junkyard for anyone to retrieve. it becomes the property of yahoo and so they do with it whatever they please.

hell i took WZ45's blanks for his TMP era Constituiton and was going to make the USS-EXTER NCC-1672 with them but only got as far as making the registries for the nacelles, secondary hull and some personal tweaking for the saucer. so if you run this game and get slammed by a Connie with no main registry and has no illums it was mine.

Major A Payne · « **Reply #16 on:** March 10, 2009, 01:51:24 pm »

Incorrect jayvt3. There is always something that can be done as has been proven. As has been noted the MODDB profile no longer has any trek or BSG images posted. Now this could simply mean that the mod maker is acting devious and removed them from the profile but not the mod. Now considering I've been in contact with the staff of MODDB and they actually do have the power to disable and remove/ban a mod from the site, I would call that a plus. Also having the capability to reverse convert models to check things such as poly count and check textures would also be a bonus in finding this kind of thing happening.

It certainly won't take long to have a mod pulled from ANY website, even a private one as I have done before now.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:52:57 pm »

how do you know this place is filefront owned? I can't find any mention of them or links to them as I've been skimming around randomly clicking things. I might know who you can email if they put up any downloads.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:51:33 pm »

I guess I am not looking in the right place. I can't even find filesnetwork or filefront mentioned, visable in text form, anywhere including the copyright designer ect don't match what I see at the bottom on bcfiles.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:56:51 pm »

Hey FW,

I'm rather confused. You said you contacted him, told him of his lack of credits (im guessing you didnt do so very nicely :-p). Then you invited him to come and join the community to seek permissions, then he's a pleb and a liar. I'm getting some pretty mixed signals.

I don't know if this is worth getting suited up over. There's been an effort to contact him, and hes replied yes? What was the date that he said "I wiil correct this oversight." Let us agree on a timeframe from that date to which we will allow him to correct said oversight (ie: a month) after that month we rambo up and get MODDB admins involved.

Still, what was the date that he said he acknowledges the credit oversight and will correct it?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:05:35 pm »

Well, we do have people here that are natively German.. maybe someone who is can contact him so we can rule out possible mistranslation?

Just a thought..

atheorhaven · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2009, 02:16:12 pm »

Quote from: Fallen_Warrior on March 13, 2009, 01:22:59 am

good thinking

Well, not so much. It just says that if we ask him, in his native language, to ensure that proper credit is given for the models used from the community, and he refuses or doesn't.. that we have taken reasonable steps.

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