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In space no one can hear you honk...
« on: February 11, 2009, 06:09:41 pm »
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2 orbiting satellites collide 500 miles up
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) - Two communications satellites have collided in the first-ever crash of two intact spacecraft in orbit, NASA said Wednesday.

The collision occurred Tuesday nearly 500 miles over Siberia. The crash produced a pair of massive debris clouds, and the magnitude of the situation won't be known for weeks at least, said NASA spokesman Kelly Humphries.

However, any risk to the international space station, which orbits below the collision course, is thought to be low. There also should be no danger to the upcoming space shuttle flight, targeted for liftoff no earlier than Feb. 22, "but they're continuing to analyze any possible risk," Humphries said.

The collision involved an Iridium commercial satellite, which was launched in 1997, and a Russian satellite launched in 1993 and believed to be nonfunctioning. Each satellite weighed well over 1,000 pounds.

There have been four other cases in which space objects have collided accidentally in orbit, NASA said. But those were considered minor events and involved parts of spent rockets or small satellites.

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Re: In space no one can hear you honk...
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 08:15:10 pm »
U.S., Russian satellites collide in orbit
Crash creates debris; slight risk to space station, minor impact on Iridium
msnbc.com staff and news service reports
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - Two big communications satellites collided in the first-ever crash of two intact spacecraft in orbit, shooting out a pair of massive debris clouds and posing a slight risk to the international space station.

NASA said it will take weeks to determine the full magnitude of the crash, which occurred nearly 500 miles (800 kilometers) over Siberia on Tuesday.

“We knew this was going to happen eventually,” Mark Matney, an orbital debris scientist at Johnson Space Center in Houston, told The Associated Press.

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NASA believes any risk to the space station and its three astronauts is low. It orbits about 270 miles (430 kilometers) below the collision course. There also should be no danger to the space shuttle set to launch with seven astronauts on Feb. 22 or later, officials said, but that will be re-evaluated in the coming days.

The collision involved an Iridium commercial satellite, which was launched in 1997, and a Russian satellite launched in 1993 and believed to be nonfunctioning. The Russian satellite was out of control, Matney said.

The Iridium craft weighed 1,235 pounds (560 kilograms), and the Russian craft nearly a ton.

Hundreds of pieces of debris
The U.S. Strategic Command's Space Surveillance Network detected the two debris clouds created by Tuesday's collision. Julie Ziegenhorn, a spokeswoman for the Strategic Command, told msnbc.com that the collision left behind an estimated 600 pieces of debris, but she emphasized that the Pentagon's orbital watchdog had to do "still more characterization" of the collision's potential effect.

There have been four other cases in which space objects have collided accidentally in orbit, NASA said. But those were considered minor and involved parts of spent rockets or small satellites.

Nicholas Johnson, an orbital debris expert at the Houston space center, said the risk of damage from Tuesday’s collision is greater for the Hubble Space Telescope and Earth-observing satellites, which are in higher orbit and nearer the debris field.
At the beginning of this year there were roughly 17,000 pieces of manmade debris orbiting Earth, Johnson said. All those items, at least 4 inches (10 centimeters) in size, are being tracked by the Space Surveillance Network.

Litter in orbit has increased in recent years, in part because of the deliberate breakups of old satellites. It’s gotten so bad that orbital debris is now the biggest threat to a space shuttle in flight, surpassing the dangers of liftoff and return to Earth.

Ziegenhorn said the Strategic Command and NASA have been working together to make sure the space station and any shuttles in flight are kept a safe distance away from any encroaching objects. "Manned spaceflight needs are a priority," she said.

‘Minimal impact’ on Iridium service
Iridium Holdings LLC has a system of 65 active satellites which relay calls from portable phones that are about twice the size of a regular mobile phone. It has more than 300,000 subscribers. The U.S. Department of Defense is one of its largest customers.

In a statement, Iridium said the collision would have "minimal impact" on service.

"This satellite loss may result in very limited service disruption in the form of brief, occasional outages," the statement said. "Iridium expects to implement a network solution by Friday."

Company spokeswoman Liz DeCastro told msnbc.com that the interim solution would involve shifting resources to cover affected areas. Within 30 days, Iridium plans to move one of its in-orbit spares into the telecommunications constellation to replace the lost satellite.
Initially launched by Motorola Inc. in the 1990s, Iridium plunged into bankruptcy in 1999. Private investors relaunched service in 2001.

Iridium satellites are unusual because their orbit is so low and they move so fast. Most communications satellites are in much higher orbits and don’t move relative to each other, which means collisions are rare.

Iridium Holdings LLC, is owned by New York-based investment firm Greenhill & Co. through a subsidiary, GHL Acquisition Corp., which is listed on the American Stock Exchange.

This report includes information from The Associated Press and msnbc.com. Registered users may obtain detailed data about orbital debris by checking the Space-Track Web site.

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Re: In space no one can hear you honk...
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 09:27:55 pm »
Obviously what is needed here is a giant vacuum cleaner. 
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Re: In space no one can hear you honk...
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 09:58:30 pm »
Thanks much for the added info there Postman.

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Re: In space no one can hear you honk...
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2009, 08:07:54 am »
Do unto others as Frey has done unto you.
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Re: In space no one can hear you honk...
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2009, 02:02:12 am »
Obviously what is needed here is a giant vacuum cleaner.

nah... Space plow... :)
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Re: In space no one can hear you honk...
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2009, 01:41:06 pm »
I read a book about space colonies that was published back in the late 70's.  One of the proposals in it was to have a catcher (called a Hippo) in space to catch ore packets launched with a magnetic catapult from the moon.  Essentially it was a solid ring connected to a cone of kevlar.  It was propelled by using a high speed rotating arm that was used to accelerate pellets and throw them out for propulsion. 

Such a device could also be used as a collector of space debris.  Maybe we need a few.
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