Topic: All Pilots on The Forge, Coalition AND Alliance (Read 7498 times)

KBFLordKrueg · « **on:** January 31, 2009, 02:00:43 am »

Please, please, PLEASE....turn off your firewalls...
This means the Windows firewall, software firewalls and if you're behind a router, the router firewalls.
This makes for laggy missions, dropped players and bugged missions.

I know most of you do this, but a few newer pilots lately have admitted they run Firewalls while playing...

SFC has always been sensitive to firewalls, one of it's downsides, but, they need to be OFF, not set for execptions or open ports, etc. OFF!! DISABLED!!

They know who they are since it has been mentioned to them in text chat.

Please comply.

Can we make that an official Forge rule...?

deadmansix · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2009, 02:14:30 pm »

I agree with Krueg, it should be a rule for all servers in my book

KBF-Crim · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2009, 06:47:18 pm »

Word.

Bonk · « **Reply #3 on:** February 01, 2009, 11:20:37 am »

The sfc2.net rules that I use as a guideline cover it:

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9.
If you are having a bad connection, either dropping a lot or causing your opponents to constantly drop, we ask that you stop playing for a while and try again later or move away from any other players on the map. If your connection continues to cause problems we ask that you do not play on SFC2.Net until you get a better connection.

http://www.sfc2.net/rules.asp

Age · « **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2009, 03:37:57 pm »

Krueg you may not play other games but some of us do and it is account based meaning anyone can hack into it a firewall gives you that extra security.This is important for those who have data on thier machines as well.When ppl start stealing account information or data off your hard drive it becomes your own fault.

I will never turn mine firewall off for any no reason.Those that play MMO type games can have thier entire account wiped clean.I have heard nightmares about this and there is nothing the publisher or developer can do about it.

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2009, 05:35:50 pm »

Quote from: Age on February 01, 2009, 03:37:57 pm

Krueg you may not play other games but some of us do and it is account based meaning anyone can hack into it a firewall gives you that extra security.This is important for those who have data on thier machines as well.When ppl start stealing account information or data off your hard drive it becomes your own fault.

I will never turn mine firewall off for any no reason.Those that play MMO type games can have thier entire account wiped clean.I have heard nightmares about this and there is nothing the publisher or developer can do about it.

Yeah, I play lots of other games online.
But tell me how many times that's happened in SFC...?
Np, if you are unwilling to turn off the firewall, stay out of the front when there are live players on hunting you.
Especially after you get drafted a couple times and it drops or won't load. Don't continue to sit there and have it happen over and over.
Having a firewall on while on the D2 can bug a mission when players drop, forcing them to alt F4 to get out of the mission because it won't end, and it is well known Alting can corrupt the Database of the server, possibly forcing a restart of the server, therefore wiping all players accumulated accounts...hmmm. whattodowhattodo...
I posted that because many newer players had no idea of the issues with firewalls and sfc.
I wasn't trying to start a debate and didn't really request opinions, only asking for compliance of the General rules of the D2.
But your opinion is yours to express.

KBF-Crim · « **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2009, 07:35:38 pm »

This is a standard server RULE....

Not up for debate

You are free to play the game however you like...but,

You are not free to impact other people's enjoyment of the game on a server you do not host on your own PC....

Firewalls have been proven to effect performance on the dynaverse.....this is well known and not a myth...

If you insist on playing SFC through a firewall...STAY OFF THE FRONT.

Age · « **Reply #7 on:** February 01, 2009, 09:29:18 pm »

Quote from: KBFLordKrueg on February 01, 2009, 05:35:50 pm

Quote from: Age on February 01, 2009, 03:37:57 pm
Krueg you may not play other games but some of us do and it is account based meaning anyone can hack into it a firewall gives you that extra security.This is important for those who have data on thier machines as well.When ppl start stealing account information or data off your hard drive it becomes your own fault.

I will never turn mine firewall off for any no reason.Those that play MMO type games can have thier entire account wiped clean.I have heard nightmares about this and there is nothing the publisher or developer can do about it.

Yeah, I play lots of other games online.
But tell me how many times that's happened in SFC...?
Np, if you are unwilling to turn off the firewall, stay out of the front when there are live players on hunting you.
Especially after you get drafted a couple times and it drops or won't load. Don't continue to sit there and have it happen over and over.
Having a firewall on while on the D2 can bug a mission when players drop, forcing them to alt F4 to get out of the mission because it won't end, and it is well known Alting can corrupt the Database of the server, possibly forcing a restart of the server, therefore wiping all players accumulated accounts...hmmm. whattodowhattodo...
I posted that because many newer players had no idea of the issues with firewalls and sfc.
I wasn't trying to start a debate and didn't really request opinions, only asking for compliance of the General rules of the D2.
But your opinion is yours to express.

You may play other games but you don't play MMO type games where your account is server based .You want to know what is like losing everything you work for because you turned your firewall off.It suggested to always keep your firewall on whay do you think it is there and most gamers know this and do it.It happens on all server based games.I have had no problems playing on a server in the past as well as Forge with firewall on.

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #8 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:27:38 pm »

Quote from: Age on February 01, 2009, 09:29:18 pm

Quote from: KBFLordKrueg on February 01, 2009, 05:35:50 pm
Quote from: Age on February 01, 2009, 03:37:57 pm
Krueg you may not play other games but some of us do and it is account based meaning anyone can hack into it a firewall gives you that extra security.This is important for those who have data on thier machines as well.When ppl start stealing account information or data off your hard drive it becomes your own fault.

I will never turn mine firewall off for any no reason.Those that play MMO type games can have thier entire account wiped clean.I have heard nightmares about this and there is nothing the publisher or developer can do about it.

Yeah, I play lots of other games online.
But tell me how many times that's happened in SFC...?
Np, if you are unwilling to turn off the firewall, stay out of the front when there are live players on hunting you.
Especially after you get drafted a couple times and it drops or won't load. Don't continue to sit there and have it happen over and over.
Having a firewall on while on the D2 can bug a mission when players drop, forcing them to alt F4 to get out of the mission because it won't end, and it is well known Alting can corrupt the Database of the server, possibly forcing a restart of the server, therefore wiping all players accumulated accounts...hmmm. whattodowhattodo...
I posted that because many newer players had no idea of the issues with firewalls and sfc.
I wasn't trying to start a debate and didn't really request opinions, only asking for compliance of the General rules of the D2.
But your opinion is yours to express.
You may play other games but you don't play MMO type games where your account is server based .You want to know what is like losing everything you work for because you turned your firewall off.It suggested to always keep your firewall on whay do you think it is there and most gamers know this and do it.It happens on all server based games.I have had no problems playing on a server in the past as well as Forge with firewall on.

Who the hell is talking about MMO games? I'm talking about here, the D2, how many times has that happened? Oh, NEVER!!
On the other hand, DB corruption from altF4ing has happened, several times, resulting in everyone losing their accounts.
Oh, BTW, you AREN'T EVEN FLYING ON THE FORGE.
You have no knowledge of the incidents referenced, and therefore not much room to even comment.
Until you have been a participant or at least witnessed the referenced incidents, kindly

Age · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2009, 02:48:21 am »

Quote from: KBFLordKrueg on February 01, 2009, 10:27:38 pm

Quote from: Age on February 01, 2009, 09:29:18 pm
Quote from: KBFLordKrueg on February 01, 2009, 05:35:50 pm
Quote from: Age on February 01, 2009, 03:37:57 pm
Krueg you may not play other games but some of us do and it is account based meaning anyone can hack into it a firewall gives you that extra security.This is important for those who have data on thier machines as well.When ppl start stealing account information or data off your hard drive it becomes your own fault.

I will never turn mine firewall off for any no reason.Those that play MMO type games can have thier entire account wiped clean.I have heard nightmares about this and there is nothing the publisher or developer can do about it.

Yeah, I play lots of other games online.
But tell me how many times that's happened in SFC...?
Np, if you are unwilling to turn off the firewall, stay out of the front when there are live players on hunting you.
Especially after you get drafted a couple times and it drops or won't load. Don't continue to sit there and have it happen over and over.
Having a firewall on while on the D2 can bug a mission when players drop, forcing them to alt F4 to get out of the mission because it won't end, and it is well known Alting can corrupt the Database of the server, possibly forcing a restart of the server, therefore wiping all players accumulated accounts...hmmm. whattodowhattodo...
I posted that because many newer players had no idea of the issues with firewalls and sfc.
I wasn't trying to start a debate and didn't really request opinions, only asking for compliance of the General rules of the D2.
But your opinion is yours to express.

You may play other games but you don't play MMO type games where your account is server based .You want to know what is like losing everything you work for because you turned your firewall off.It suggested to always keep your firewall on whay do you think it is there and most gamers know this and do it.It happens on all server based games.I have had no problems playing on a server in the past as well as Forge with firewall on.

Who the hell is talking about MMO games? I'm talking about here, the D2, how many times has that happened? Oh, NEVER!!
On the other hand, DB corruption from altF4ing has happened, several times, resulting in everyone losing their accounts.
Oh, BTW, you AREN'T EVEN FLYING ON THE FORGE.
You have no knowledge of the incidents referenced, and therefore not much room to even comment.
Until you have been a participant or at least witnessed the referenced incidents, kindly

Read what no#3 saysFire WallI play other games and don't want to lose all my hard work.It isn't the firewall it is the internet as when I play Guild Wars we get players who get disconnnected all the time and it isn't thier computer or the server.It is the internet and this is in PvP battles 8vs8 all the time.We always play with our firewall on.I am not talking about SFC2OP I am talking about server account based game.Your account information about your char is stored on the server and if it gets deleted it can't be replaced that is what I fear.

I have heard horror stories of those who lost thier accounts and would you ever tell Frey to turn off the firewall to D.net.I don't think so it is just the internet latenacey that is what drops players not a firewall or I would be dropping from all my pvp games which I don't.

Bonk · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2009, 03:05:14 am »

Quote from: Age on February 02, 2009, 02:48:21 am

would you ever tell Frey to turn off the firewall to D.net.I don't think so

We ran Dynaverse.net in the wide open, no firewall at all for over two years, not a single intrusion. A firewall is not exclusively responsible for server security.

Quote from: Age on February 02, 2009, 02:48:21 am

it is just the internet latenacey that is what drops players not a firewall or I would be dropping from all my pvp games which I don't.

What will adding another software layer to your TCP/IP stack do? Add latency. That much is sure. Here's one for you: many software firewalls can ADD vulnerabilities and DoS weaknesses to a system.

This has been discussed to death.

It goes like this, if you are too scared to play SFC with no firewalls running, then you must announce on the server that you are running a software firewall, and then stay out of the busy hexes. Play behind the lines.

When you are confident in the security of your OS installation and do not have any junk software installed, turn that software firewall off and come on up to the front to join the action.

Final word.

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2009, 10:10:02 am »

This has been discussed to death.

It goes like this, if you are too scared to play SFC with no firewalls running, then you must announce on the server that you are running a software firewall, and then stay out of the busy hexes. Play behind the lines.

When you are confident in the security of your OS installation and do not have any junk software installed, turn that software firewall off and come on up to the front to join the action.

Final word.
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Agreed, final word...

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2009, 11:09:55 am »

Age, let me tell you, I play Warhammer, and World of Warcraft. I play with no firewalls, I play in the DMZ of my router because Civilization IV won't connect to certain people if I don't. Because I play Civilization IV all the time, I am ALWAYS in the DMZ. Not once have I had even an attempt of an attack. I keep my Anti Virus up to date, and I have a Spyware scanner that I run every day as well.

Even if you have a firewall, you can still get into trouble if you're not careful where you go on the internet. In fact, more times than not, having that firewall makes you think that you're invincible and can go anywhere, then you wind up getting an infection. Because after all is said and done, a Firewall is just that, a wall. People and things can go around it, over it or under it. Does it help? Sure. But if some one really wants in, do you think that firewall is going to stop it? Not likely.

Case in point, my brother and step brother shared a computer and played WoW. It was behind a firewall, in fact it was behind TWO firewalls, software and router. My step-brother decided that he couldn't make money fast enough and logged on to a gold farming site. Despite the fact that my brother didn't do anything, those gold farmers got his account information as well. My brother got a new computer, but doesn't want to got through the hassle that Activision is making him go through to get his account back (they closed it because of the breach).

And yes I said Activision, they bought out Blizzard last year...

FCM_SFHQ_XC · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2009, 02:40:24 pm »

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I am not talking about SFC2OP I am talking about server account based game.Your account information about your char is stored on the server and if it gets deleted it can't be replaced that is what I fear.

Any legitimate MMORPG company should be keeping regular backups of ALL their server shards that they can easily restore any deleted/corrupted character from.
Otherwise, they can never have any plan for servers failing, power disruptions that'll cause the server to suddenly shut down, human error, and faulty memory module that might corrupt a character, or a group of characters, who knows.
How far back their backups go depends, but they should have SOMETHING.

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I have heard nightmares about this and there is nothing the publisher or developer can do about it

Again though, stories, but yes there is something they can do about it if anything like that did happen, assuming they have ever heard of backups and reseting accounts.

A software firewall hardly matters in this case either though. A hacker is still capable of cracking through. It'll just take a couple more minutes while they apply and firewall cracking algorithms/programs or perform DoS/Brute force entry and presto they are in. No biggie.

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When ppl start stealing account information or data off your hard drive it becomes your own fault

If you feel that way, then put all your MMO's and sensative data on a secondary Hard Drive(+clear internet cache/cookies) and disconnect it before lowering your firewall for OP.

A LOT of other things depend on secure communication from computer to computer. Secure those other things and you'll be as secure as you can be without interfering with other people's gaming experience/connectivity and without the firewall for OP so you can move to the front lines.

Age · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2009, 02:28:58 am »

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We ran Dynaverse.net in the wide open, no firewall at all for over two years, not a single intrusion. A firewall is not exclusively responsible for server security.

I am talking about D.net itself not the server

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What will adding another software layer to your TCP/IP stack do? Add latency. That much is sure. Here's one for you: many software firewalls can ADD vulnerabilities and DoS weaknesses to a system.

Internet Sevice Providers have firewalls as well.

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Age, let me tell you, I play Warhammer, and World of Warcraft. I play with no firewalls, I play in the DMZ of my router because Civilization IV won't connect to certain people if I don't. Because I play Civilization IV all the time, I am ALWAYS in the DMZ. Not once have I had even an attempt of an attack. I keep my Anti Virus up to date, and I have a Spyware scanner that I run every day as well

I guess you are just lucky or don't play that much to log on to them and I know its owned by Activision and your brother and step brother are lucky they haven't been banned.I doubt you put as much time into your accounts as I have with mine over 8000 hrs coming up to 4 years.

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Any legitimate MMORPG company should be keeping regular backups of ALL their server shards that they can easily restore any deleted/corrupted character from.
Otherwise, they can never have any plan for servers failing, power disruptions that'll cause the server to suddenly shut down, human error, and faulty memory module that might corrupt a character, or a group of characters,

They do have backup but they aren't going to restore one account for 4 million players playing the game.There are 40,000 players playing GW compared to 3 to 6 on Dyna on average day

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Again though, stories, but yes there is something they can do about it if anything like that did happen, assuming they have ever heard of backups and reseting accounts.

They do have back ups but won't reset an account for a single person who have been told about secrurity issues.

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If you feel that way, then put all your MMO's and sensative data on a secondary Hard Drive(+clear internet cache/cookies) and disconnect it before lowering your firewall for OP.

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I can not because it is all on server anyone with GW account can get access to any Guild Wars accounts.I don't have the game on my computer only the client.When the server gets shut down for maintance I can't play GW.

What about those on dail up they have more issues of dropping than those with firewalls?NCSoft and ArenaNet have looked at this and have said it is networking problem for GW players dropping.I can stay connected to thier servers for hours.Don't forget people get disconnected from phones as well.

KBF-Crim · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2009, 02:38:17 am »

Age...gonna keep it simple:

DONT PLAY SFC THOUGH A FIRWALL!

It screws up the game....NOT FOR YOU...BUT FOR OTHERS....

Go everywhere else on the internet wrapped in 15 firewalls and proxie servers....

but....

DONT PLAY SFC THROUGH A FIREWALL!

I dont give a flying crap what you do at other sites , on other servers, or what you think others would do....

FREY DOESNT PLAY SFC THROUGH A FIREWALL!

Farfarer · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2009, 07:52:08 am »

on the bright side, I actually got SFC OP to work on wireless - no fracking idea how or why, but a new wireless adapter and a neighbour's spanking new router one floor down ( no idea what type) seem to have done it. I didn't even mention port forwarding etc. so no idea either if I an somehow DMZ or he is gamer so has set up his router that way. Magic. I do drop every third mission or so, for whatever reason, so I won't use it for PvP or on the Front until I am stable. ( and I am giving him $ for his bandwidth oh-you-suspicious-types)

Age · « **Reply #17 on:** February 03, 2009, 11:56:16 am »

Quote from: KBF-Crim on February 03, 2009, 02:38:17 am

Age...gonna keep it simple:

DONT PLAY SFC THOUGH A FIRWALL!

It screws up the game....NOT FOR YOU...BUT FOR OTHERS....

Go everywhere else on the internet wrapped in 15 firewalls and proxie servers....

but....

DONT PLAY SFC THROUGH A FIREWALL!

I dont give a flying crap what you do at other sites , on other servers, or what you think others would do....

FREY DOESNT PLAY SFC THROUGH A FIREWALL!

I won't and I will not lower my firewall I guess my Dyna days are over.I guess I will never get a chance for retribution on you and Dizzy.I had fun on all those servers but without a win it gets kind of you know.When Dogmantrix come back if he does tell him to get 2 PCs 1 for this game the other for EveOnline so he can keep his firewall on.

I thought you were going to honour the original Licensing between Interplay and Paramount now CBS.

I still say this whole thing is networkiong issue as said in previouse post.

Bye Bye Dyna

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #18 on:** February 03, 2009, 12:14:25 pm »

How are they not honoring the original licensing? If you don't play by the rules you don't play. There has been nothing wrong with people who don't have Firewalls and anti-spyware, and other system monitoring programs running while playing. Yes, the network coding for SFC was shoddy, but it can work, if you do the right thing. Don't think that this is a problem specific to SFC, because if you do, you'll be very disappointed. This is a VERY common issue with older games, and even newer programs. You seem to have completely ignored that Civilization doesn't work properly with firewalls either.

One further bit of information for you though, MMOs keep all of their information server side, not client side.

Age · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2009, 12:31:18 pm »

You might want to read what it say here linky
I know all the information is kept server side which is why they won't do a role back it will inconvience over 40,000 players on average day.

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