Topic: New ST Trailer

[Walleye]

http://www.startrekmovie.com/

Looks Epic!!  I knew Kirk was a bad boy at heart, almost makes me want to turn Fed.

[knightstorm]

It looks to me like Star Trek is going to be brutally raped, donkey punched, and receive a bukake for good measure.  Abrams has yet to prove otherwise.

[Keravnos]

Look at the bright side...

One of the paths this movie or its sequels can go is towards an SFB direction.

Seeing that SFB when translated into computers and SFC was and is the Star Treks' top PC selling game, it is an obvious road to follow really.
It would also allow the brand to re-invent itself and flesh up more of its TOS, TMP eras, without contradicting too much what is Star Trek lore.

I would love to see Hydrans, I would love to see a carrier launching fighers in a Star Trek movie. Of all the possible outcomes and all the possible ways it could go, I think that SFB/SFC one makes the most sense. Besides, playing the original (and patched) SFC is like actually playing a movie. It feels real as if you are commanding a starship.

We can only hope that the movie studio execs see what we have known all along.

[knightstorm]

I would love to see a carrier launching fighers in a Star Trek movie.

Actually cannon Trek does have fighters.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_attack_fighter

Also, Nemesis does have a scene where Picard and Data escape the Scimitar by stealing a Romulan fighter.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Scorpion_class

[Czar Mohab]

Knight:

Those aren't the fighters he's looking for. (I'll assume he's knowledge of them, if not before then now for sure).

I think the comment was more directed to a future movie where we see a small/medium/large Fed (maybe other?) task force in open space, and hear someone mention, "Klingons off the starboard bow," or some such, followed by a close up shot of the F-SCS/CVA/CVB/etc. dumping fighters out of the bay; the flick would be set in Abrams's Trek timeline, perhaps set in the old TOS timeframe...

That timeline/timeframe bit was really tricky to word... It would be the alternate Trek-line created by Abrams but in the time of TOS.

If they do that SFB/C = New Trek Movies thing, then there'd better be an SSD on the wall instead of the MSD. I'd LOVE to see the big E taking on something (D7?) while the camera pans past the ship's damage display flashing a few red boxes of damage

Czar "So many possibilities... Trek *is* IDIC," Mohab

[knightstorm]

The problem is that TROST doesn't seem to have an understanding of what Star Trek is, and what its supposed to be.  One of the reasons Trek ships are always depicted as being built in space is because the ship blasting off is something associated with the type of low brow shoot em up sci fi which Roddenberry explicitly rejected.  I am praying that this film will fail so they will drop TROST's Trek reboot concept, and instead return to the ideals that made Star Trek the juggernaut of the Sci Fi genre for almost half a century.

[marstone]

The problem is that TROST doesn't seem to have an understanding of what Star Trek is, and what its supposed to be.  One of the reasons Trek ships are always depicted as being built in space is because the ship blasting off is something associated with the type of low brow shoot em up sci fi which Roddenberry explicitly rejected.  I am praying that this film will fail so they will drop TROST's Trek reboot concept, and instead return to the ideals that made Star Trek the juggernaut of the Sci Fi genre for almost half a century.

I agee overall.  I always assumed that SF shipyards was in orbit over SF.  Would be way easier to build those things in space (even if it was mainly assembled in space)

[Czar Mohab]

I am of the belief that the Trek of the pre-TMP/TNG (and not counting ENT) variety (including to an extent TAS) should be left more or less as is. The TOS-R project (at least from what I have been able to see) has done the show some justice, and doesn't count in that... some of the "strings holding up 'flying' objects" had to be removed from visibility, so to speak. An actual reboot, with a new ship/crew/story (again, I don't count ENT in this- that was what it was), doesn't seem right. Flop or fly, no more Trek should be made from this new movie's timeline. That is my, and many others' opinion. As to the movie itself, I am 100% certain that why things are different will be explained somewhat, if not completely (IIRC, timeline changed when Jimmy T.'s dad was offed by bad future Romulans). I will be going to see this *thing* in the theater, and hold further judgement until the end credits roll.

As to the future of Trek itself, would it be so bad to blend into the TOS period some SFB/C? Hydrans, as one, would be a good CGI race. I wouldn't want it to be a reboot, but rather a casual look back at what could have been. It could even canonize some of those "displayed but not really shown" ships from TWoK...

The *new* Enterprise looks to me like a mutant seagull when compared to the more majestic lines of her '60s counterpart. What I don't understand is how that design would change from one timeline to the other... even our evil "mirror" selves use a similar, if not exactly the same, design. That is, to me, the biggest slap in the face to all Trek fans. We're supposed to believe that some P.O.'d Romulan went back in time to change history to favor them... but why not go all the way back to Zephram and the Pheonix, and shoot that bird down? One of the few times the Borg had a good idea.

All ranting aside, I am looking forward to this next installment of Trek, simply because it is Trek, and in one form or another is a long overdue continuance of the story.

Now, how about that temporal paradox?

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Public RomulanBadGuy as Variant
Public Romulans as Variant
Public Kirksdad as Variant
Public Plot as Variant

Sub ParadoxofTime()
Plot = "Screwy"
Do Until Plot = "Makes sense"

 If RomulanBadGuy = "Goes back in time" Then
   Kirksdad = "Dead"
   Romulans = "Happy"
 End If

 If Romulans = "Happy" Then
   RomulanBadGuy = "Does not go back in time"
   Kirksdad = "Alive"
   Romulans = "Sad"
 End If

 If Romulans = "Sad" And Kirksdad = "Alive" Then
   RomulanBadGuy = "Goes back in time"
   Plot = "Still Screwy"
 End If

 If Romulans = "Happy" And Kirksdad = "Alive" And RomulanBadGuy = "Does not go back in time" Then
   'Msg = "That went well, all is normal"
   'Title = "Whew!"
   'Config = vbOK
   'MsgBox (Msg, Config, Title)
  Plot = "Makes sense"
 End If

Loop

MsgBox ("The plot finally "& Plot &"!!!!")

End Sub
As for SF shipyards... I was always under the impression that part of the yards were planetside and parts of the big E were built there, but not the whole bloody ship! Fanon snuck in there on us...

Czar "If he goes back in time and kills Ol' Man Kirk, then there'll be no reason for him to go back in time to kill OMK, so he won't and OMK will live, which means he'll go back in time to kill OMK, then there'll be no reason for him to go back in time to kill OMK, so he won't and OMK will live, which means............." Mohab

[knightstorm]

I am of the belief that the Trek of the pre-TMP/TNG (and not counting ENT) variety (including to an extent TAS) should be left more or less as is. The TOS-R project (at least from what I have been able to see) has done the show some justice, and doesn't count in that... some of the "strings holding up 'flying' objects" had to be removed from visibility, so to speak.

Actually TOS was a bit more advanced than "strings holding up things."  It did use bluescreen effects, however, this was before motion control, also the budget was such that they had to reuse shots to the extreme.  In fact They stopped filming footage of the full size model sometime in the second season.

Edit: Correction, they probably used strings in the episode with that bat thing since they had to make it detatch from a wall, and fly down and hit Spock, but that's about it.

The film implies that the ship was built in orbit, although major components such as the warp core and possibly nacelles were produced in planetside factories, and ferried to the construction site.  This is supported by the fact that the ship is still a work in progress while in orbit.  TNG furthers this by showing the ship undergoing major repairs and overhalls in orbital drydock.  Nemesis features a large section of the Enterprise E's structure being rebuilt in space. 

The first concrete evidence of ships being built this way occurs in Enterprise with the image of NX-02 Columbia.  Notice that the nacelles seem to be more  complete than the rest of the ship indicating that they may have been prefabbed.
 

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

I am mainly confused about one thing in this new movie.

In TOS, Kirk is supposed to be 35 or so, Bones 45, and Chekov 22. How are they all around the same age in STXI? And somehow they are all together on the same ship from the very beginning?

[knightstorm]

I am mainly confused about one thing in this new movie.

In TOS, Kirk is supposed to be 35 or so, Bones 45, and Chekov 22. How are they all around the same age in STXI? And somehow they are all together on the same ship from the very beginning?

TROST doesn't care about such insignificant details.  He only wants to have all of the main characters in the story.  It doesn't matter if it makes any sense.

[Czar Mohab]

I am of the belief that the Trek of the pre-TMP/TNG (and not counting ENT) variety (including to an extent TAS) should be left more or less as is. The TOS-R project (at least from what I have been able to see) has done the show some justice, and doesn't count in that... some of the "strings holding up 'flying' objects" had to be removed from visibility, so to speak.

Actually TOS was a bit more advanced than "strings holding up things."  It did use bluescreen effects, however, this was before motion control, also the budget was such that they had to reuse shots to the extreme.  In fact They stopped filming footage of the full size model sometime in the second season.

Edit: Correction, they probably used strings in the episode with that bat thing since they had to make it detatch from a wall, and fly down and hit Spock, but that's about it.

It was just an expression for "cleaned up the mess" or "fixed the errors" or however else you want to word it.

[Magnum357]

<sigh>... I was not going to do this, but there seems to be a lot of talk about this hypothetical Star Trek movie.  This will be my one, and ONLY one comment about this movie and its endeveour <sp>. 

First of all, you guys should just forget all this "they should add SFB concepts to this movie, and such and such...".  It just won't happen.  ADB owns the rights to its product, and unless ADB allows them to use there ideas like a CVA or SCS or Hydrans in its movie, then I highly doubt you are going to see it in any Star Trek show not without a lawsuit.  So please, if some similarity occurs that happens to be in SFB and in Star Trek, consider yourselfs lucky (and perhaps grateful) that both had the same idea and move on!

I have not seen this new "Trailer" nor do I want too.  I'm not bashing this movie, and if Paramount and Abrams want to spend there money on this project, well... fine, but I think its a fairly good chance I will not watch it.  The story might be OK, all depends on the writers and directing to make a good movie, but from the looks of this movie, its going to contradict much of what have already seen in Star Trek.  I hear one comment that its going to fit right into the Star Trek Universe with little contradiction, then I hear its going to be a total "reboot"!  Well which is it Paramount???  I've only seen one screenshot of the ship, but from the looks of it, I was not impressed.  Some of you may know, I make 3D models here on the website from time to time, and I think I could have designed a better ship, among other fine artist on this website. 

One of the things that made Star Trek unique, is its well crafted designs of Federation Starships.  Most (with a few exceptions) of the ships we saw in the show were actual constructed models, I think this is an important element to consider.  These ships were well crafted and engineered models that almost felt like a sculpted piece of art that made sense to the eye and yet showed how advanced they are.  Even for the Star Trek Nemesis movie, the Enterprise-E was still a constructed model.  It just seems like these days that most SiFi movies have total reliance on 3D computer effects.  I guess that it is cheaper and easier to do it that way, but with all that hardware, please put some thought in the 3D design and make your audience feel proud of the ship, not barf! 

From the way they are spinning this movie, it sounds like its going to be a "reboot" (I prefer "re imagined" myself like the BSG series, seems more fitting), but even it is, I'm still not sure I would go watch it.  This is my only comment about this movie endeveour...... good night!  <exits door>

[marstone]

<sigh>... I was not going to do this, but there seems to be a lot of talk about this hypothetical Star Trek movie.  This will be my one, and ONLY one comment about this movie and its endeveour <sp>. 

First of all, you guys should just forget all this "they should add SFB concepts to this movie, and such and such...".  It just won't happen.  ADB owns the rights to its product, and unless ADB allows them to use there ideas like a CVA or SCS or Hydrans in its movie, then I highly doubt you are going to see it in any Star Trek show not without a lawsuit.  So please, if some similarity occurs that happens to be in SFB and in Star Trek, consider yourselfs lucky (and perhaps grateful) that both had the same idea and move on!

ADB owns the right to "their SCS design" not the idea of a SCS/CVA in the Star Fleet.  Navies have carriers, as long as they don't copy the design put out by ADB it should be cosher.  Now Hydrans are a different matter.  That is a total fab by ADB, they would deserve cash for that one.

[Age]

They would probably let them use it for free as long as they ADB get credited for it.