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Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« on: November 24, 2008, 10:42:05 pm »
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There are definitely errors in the article but still somewhat interesting.
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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 11:31:02 pm »
How could they leave out Dennis Kozlowski.  While tyco was a large conglomerate, and not exclusively in the tech field, the vodka urinating ice sculpture of Michelangelo's David definitely makes him worth mentioning.

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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2008, 09:45:48 pm »
No poor tech leader list is complete without C. Peter McColough of Xerox at the top of it.  They invented practically everything in the modern computer field and managed to field nothing but copiers.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 12:39:35 pm »
See, I disagree with #9. I Really like Patricia Dunn, and think she got a bad rap.

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 01:48:17 pm »
See, I disagree with #9. I Really like Patricia Dunn, and think she got a bad rap.

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Why did she do that makes you think that?
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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 04:04:51 pm »
It was that whole spying rap she got. See IF I had a company like that,  I would have records on every one there. Hell her finding the leak was a good thing. I think she did what was best at the time for the company and the shareholders. IT was that whole Don't look at my emails thing that got her in trouble. If it's on company time, and the company dime, You bet I will look into it.

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 05:50:42 pm »
It was that whole spying rap she got. See IF I had a company like that,  I would have records on every one there. Hell her finding the leak was a good thing. I think she did what was best at the time for the company and the shareholders. IT was that whole Don't look at my emails thing that got her in trouble. If it's on company time, and the company dime, You bet I will look into it.

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Actually she was spying on fellow board members, not employees of the company.  So, illegalities aside, there is the whole issue of ethics. Or as was revealed by her behavior, a lack of ethics.
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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 06:10:13 pm »
I saw Yahoo and HP with two entries.

What Jack Tramiel one time Atari owner/CEO is not mentoned here?

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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 06:49:24 pm »
It was that whole spying rap she got. See IF I had a company like that,  I would have records on every one there. Hell her finding the leak was a good thing. I think she did what was best at the time for the company and the shareholders. IT was that whole Don't look at my emails thing that got her in trouble. If it's on company time, and the company dime, You bet I will look into it.

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Actually she was spying on fellow board members, not employees of the company.  So, illegalities aside, there is the whole issue of ethics. Or as was revealed by her behavior, a lack of ethics.

Alright fine, I would have been spying on the board members also, as what they do influences the company.

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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 07:24:05 pm »
Alright fine, I would have been spying on the board members also, as what they do influences the company.

Stephen

To the point of breaking the law?  Would you include spying on journalists who didn't work for HP?  As I recall she was responsible for both being done.

My favourite was Darl McBride (#5 I think).  He started lawsuits claiming the company was owed $Billions$. 

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SCO vs IBM - currently stayed but mostly now consisting of IBMs counter claims with very little if any of SCOGs claims likely to make it to trial. It could be unstayed now that there is a final judgement in SCO vs Novell.  Appeals in that case could cause a further stay (and appeals have been begun).

Redhat vs SCO - Redhat charged that SCOG was engaging in a FUD campaign that damages Redhats business.  Currently stayed.  Since SCO is being thoroughly beaten by Novell and IBM with attendant publicity showing the alleged FUD to be false neither side has attempted to reopen the case.

SCO vs Novell - This case was started by SCO claiming that Novell owed them millions in damages for "Slandering their title".  SCO had all its claims dismissed.  Novell was ruled to have retained copyright of Unix SVRX.  Further SCO was ruled to have illegally converted money rightfully Novells and now has been ordered to pay that money to Novell ~$2.5 million plus ~$.9 million in interest mounting daily until paid.  Possible legal fees to be added.  Without the resolution of the SUSE vs SCO Arbitration in Europe the final judgement can't be made of course.  Appeal just begun.  Confirmed Novells right to order SCO to waive the IBM lawsuit (and similar ones involving Unix licensees).

SUSE vs SCO Arbitration in Europe potential windfall to SCO if they should somehow win of ~$10 million I believe and to Novell if they win up t ~$100 million, which they can't collect as SCO doesn't have it.  The only way Novell can get this money is if A/ SCO is bought by a wealthy "sugar daddy" or B/ the corporate veil can be pierced to a wealthy corporate backer of the lawsuits (if such in fact exists).  The arbitration was stayed by the Bankruptcy judge at the request of SCO.

SCO vs Autozone - SCO alleged that Autozone included "code, structure, sequence and/or organization" from SCOs Unix SVRX (unless they meant UnixWare or OpenServer the SCO vs Novell case says SCO doesn't own it so the case would fail SCO on that alone). They do mention "SCO shared libraries" which if they exist could be from SCO Unix variants.   Unstayed over the objections of SCO no progress since.

SCO vs Daimler Chrysler - The basis of this lawsuit is that DC did not do a very extensive audit called for by SCO and did not respond promptly to the audit "request".  Everything dismissed except whether DC responded promptly to the audit SCO called for. The things they wanted to audit were ruled by the judge to be things they had no right to audit. SCO dropped the "respond promptly" issue rather than go to trial.

SCO of course has also declared Chapter 11 Bankruptcy to try and stave off final liquidation and some think to avoid the lawsuits that SCO itself started.  The bankruptcy automatically stayed all these lawsuits and only the SCO vs Novell has so far gone forward.

Also twice (in 2003 and 2007) in Germany the courts have ordered SCO to either prove their case against Linux or cease their claims.  They have twice agreed to cease the claims and at least once been fined and I believe both times had to pay court costs.  The 2003 offense resulted in a 10,000 Euro fine and though I am not sure the fine may have been the same the 2nd time.

Few expect SCO to come out of Chapter 11 except to go into Chapter 7 and be liquidated to pay off their debts.
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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2008, 07:45:33 pm »
To be fair, Journalists are beneath my comtempt, as for the others, Shouldn't all information be made to a chairperson in order to run the business? If not, then how can one make informed choices? Besides, It was never proven that she new how the information was coming from (from what I remember)

But yes, If knowing what is going on in your company is against the law, then that is one law I would have broken. Seems like more Regulation BS that one must go through.

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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2008, 08:09:32 pm »
To be fair, Journalists are beneath my comtempt, as for the others, Shouldn't all information be made to a chairperson in order to run the business? If not, then how can one make informed choices? Besides, It was never proven that she new how the information was coming from (from what I remember)

But yes, If knowing what is going on in your company is against the law, then that is one law I would have broken. Seems like more Regulation BS that one must go through.

Stephen

No one is saying that she didn't have a right to look for the leaker, but she should have used legal methods.  Pretexting, and using malicious software is not legal.

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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2008, 08:23:09 pm »
To be fair, Journalists are beneath my comtempt, as for the others, Shouldn't all information be made to a chairperson in order to run the business? If not, then how can one make informed choices? Besides, It was never proven that she new how the information was coming from (from what I remember)

But yes, If knowing what is going on in your company is against the law, then that is one law I would have broken. Seems like more Regulation BS that one must go through.

Stephen


The thing is that her agents went outside the laws and impersonated people to get their PRIVATE phone records, not the company records.  She was after what the people were doing on their own time.

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HP also said that the outside firms used to obtain the identity of the source of the leak might have used a technique called pretexting to obtain telephone records of calls made by HP directors from their home phones and cell phones.


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Investigators used a variety of less-than-legal methods to obtain the information. Most notably, they obtained phone records for reporters and board members by way of 'pretexting', or calling carriers and lying about their identities. Spyware-laced emails were also sent, and Dunn was even said to be mulling over the placement of spies in newsrooms.
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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2008, 06:08:27 am »
Explain your solid support of Sara Palin. Was she the "rule to your exception"?

Lets keep the political side in Hot and Spicy guys.  If you want to discuss that repost it there please.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2008, 10:03:27 am »
Oh dangit. I forgot where I was. Oops.  :-[
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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2008, 05:31:35 pm »
To be fair, Journalists are beneath my comtempt, as for the others, Shouldn't all information be made to a chairperson in order to run the business? If not, then how can one make informed choices? Besides, It was never proven that she new how the information was coming from (from what I remember)

But yes, If knowing what is going on in your company is against the law, then that is one law I would have broken. Seems like more Regulation BS that one must go through.

Stephen

Ah.. but once a company is publically traded, it isn't YOUR company any longer.  It belongs to the shareholders and is regulated under very strict laws.   This is one reason it is often advisable to not have the previous owner continue as the CEO when a company makes the leap from private to public.
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2008, 10:02:23 am »
To be fair, Journalists are beneath my comtempt, as for the others, Shouldn't all information be made to a chairperson in order to run the business? If not, then how can one make informed choices? Besides, It was never proven that she new how the information was coming from (from what I remember)

But yes, If knowing what is going on in your company is against the law, then that is one law I would have broken. Seems like more Regulation BS that one must go through.

Stephen

Ah.. but once a company is publically traded, it isn't YOUR company any longer.  It belongs to the shareholders and is regulated under very strict laws.   This is one reason it is often advisable to not have the previous owner continue as the CEO when a company makes the leap from private to public.

That much is true, However, the CEO still has the responsibilities to run the Company for the share holders. Otherwise, why have a CEO at all? I just see that while she did do illegal stuff, she did no worse then any other Corporation out there, trying to one up each other , with Spies, infiltration, etc.

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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2008, 11:36:40 am »
A friend of mine is completing her MBA program. In one of the business law courses the question was asked, "Where does a manager's highest obligation lie, with the company/corporation or with their career and family?"

Interesting question.
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Re: Top 10 WORST chief executives in the technology business,
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2008, 04:23:58 pm »
Easy order for me..

1.  Keep myself out of hell (good rules even if you don't believe in it)

2.  Keep myself out of jail

3.  Keep myself out of divorce court (can alternate with 2, depending on circumstance)

4.  Keep myself employed
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