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What are your working hours

9 hours with 1 hour unpaid lunch
2 (9.1%)
8 hours with 1 hour paid lunch
3 (13.6%)
8 hours with < 1 hour paid lunch
7 (31.8%)
9 hours with < 1 hour paid lunch
1 (4.5%)
I work flex time and hours.
9 (40.9%)

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« on: October 20, 2008, 03:23:13 pm »
Hi All--

Doing a bit o' research here. Thanks for your help.

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2008, 03:30:46 pm »
24 / 7 for me, but even then it varies.

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 04:50:15 pm »
hmmm... I'm military which technically means even when i'm off duty, i'm still on duty (if they need me) so it depends ;)
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 05:01:17 pm »
work for the state so 8 hours with a paid lunch (actually two 1/2 breaks).  But I also have a second job so my work day gets long and dragged out.
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 08:52:03 pm »
I work 8 with no lunch, though I usually have time to get a bit to eat.  But I have to eat while working. 

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 09:11:26 pm »
hmmm... I'm military which technically means even when i'm off duty, i'm still on duty (if they need me) so it depends ;)

But when you do work, is it flex time or a fixed number of hour schedule with a scheduled time frame?
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 09:12:38 pm »
the latter, though it depends on what needs to get done
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 12:00:43 am »
HAhahahahahahaha  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Tus, you bring back so many memories of my time in the Navy.

Officers don't work, they delegate. They do have a "Job", but usually there is enough interest in that job that it really isn't work. Maybe you could get off by sayig delegation is work, but that just isn't right, simply because you can always delegate someone to delegate for you. You know, that whole chain of command thing.

Thus, Tus, you do not work ;)

All kidding asside, So which to select when it is a scheduled 40 hour week (1 week 4 x 10's, 3 weeks 5 x 8's) with no scheduled lunch break, but on a day with nothing to do one could theoretically take the full shift as a "break" (not that anyone I work with would do such a thing (as I'm typing from work  ::)), it is just a possible option). "Lunch" is handled as "eat when you can, if you can" here.

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2008, 12:16:51 am »

Officers don't work, they delegate. They do have a "Job", but usually there is enough interest in that job that it really isn't work. Maybe you could get off by sayig delegation is work, but that just isn't right, simply because you can always delegate someone to delegate for you. You know, that whole chain of command thing.

Thus, Tus, you do not work ;)


aaahhh, but lest you forget, I'm an LT who is going to school for his AFSC, meaning that where I work now there are like 3-4 enlisted and like hundreds of LTs, thus there is no one to delegate to ;) ;D
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2008, 02:00:32 am »
Then you've learned nothing.  ;) Let this poor, (former) enlisted man share some of his salty wisdom with the young J.O.:

Delegate sideways.

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2008, 04:07:06 am »
13.5 hours per day, by schedule.  Most days around 15.  However, I'm only scheduled to work 7 out of 14 days.
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2008, 01:45:18 pm »
Like some of the others here I work a non-traditional work schedule. I work four ten hour days with three breaks and a half hour lunch.
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2008, 05:45:48 am »
Up at 0500, at work by 0600, one hour lunch at 1100 (I usually go home just to get out of the calibration lab), home by 1530.

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2008, 08:20:40 am »
DOn't see the option there- 8 hour day (theoretically, since they will only pay us up to 8 hours, never over that) and though technically we are allowed a 1/2 hour unpaid lunch, we are not really supposed to take it.  They don't say this explicitly, it's just kinda understood.
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2008, 03:03:52 pm »
None of the above... I currently work the standard Canadian Federal Civil Service work week: 37.5 hours per week. Which is 5 x 8 hour days with a half hour unpaid lunch and two paid 15 minute breaks per day.

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2008, 04:01:18 pm »

Officers don't work, they delegate. They do have a "Job", but usually there is enough interest in that job that it really isn't work. Maybe you could get off by sayig delegation is work, but that just isn't right, simply because you can always delegate someone to delegate for you. You know, that whole chain of command thing.

Thus, Tus, you do not work ;)


aaahhh, but lest you forget, I'm an LT who is going to school for his AFSC, meaning that where I work now there are like 3-4 enlisted and like hundreds of LTs, thus there is no one to delegate to ;) ;D

If I remember, he's in pilot training, which means he actually is working harder then many enlisted probably...trying to squeeze in what would be 2 to 4 years of training at a school...into one year of military pilot training can be very intense to say the least.

Which of course brings up the question why the military tries to squeeze that amount of training into such a small amount of time, not just for Pilot training, but a few of their other schools (I think P.A. is one of those as well-that's a medical thing for you who are wondering what it is) too?

As long as they know their stuff though, it's okay...just seems a little hard on students maybe.  And probably very intense.  So I'd say he's definately working rather hard probably...at least if he's passing and trying to get fighters.
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2008, 04:10:36 pm »
12 hours plus change, depends on a lot of stuff.

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2008, 04:49:39 pm »

Officers don't work, they delegate. They do have a "Job", but usually there is enough interest in that job that it really isn't work. Maybe you could get off by sayig delegation is work, but that just isn't right, simply because you can always delegate someone to delegate for you. You know, that whole chain of command thing.

Thus, Tus, you do not work ;)


aaahhh, but lest you forget, I'm an LT who is going to school for his AFSC, meaning that where I work now there are like 3-4 enlisted and like hundreds of LTs, thus there is no one to delegate to ;) ;D

If I remember, he's in pilot training, which means he actually is working harder then many enlisted probably...trying to squeeze in what would be 2 to 4 years of training at a school...into one year of military pilot training can be very intense to say the least.

Which of course brings up the question why the military tries to squeeze that amount of training into such a small amount of time, not just for Pilot training, but a few of their other schools (I think P.A. is one of those as well-that's a medical thing for you who are wondering what it is) too?

As long as they know their stuff though, it's okay...just seems a little hard on students maybe.  And probably very intense.  So I'd say he's definately working rather hard probably...at least if he's passing and trying to get fighters.

Dash, the thing about the military (at least the US), is you only have a certain amount of commitment time to get it all accomplished.

When I enlisted in '73, I had to go for 6 years because I was going to a high end technical school, and the same when I cross trained and reenlisted.

While Tus is an academy grad, if my memory serves, he can leave after ten years.  The same also goes for promotions.  When I made MSgt, I had to sign a letter of commitment for two years to accept the rank..so they could get thier money out of me.  The commitments also come for follow on schools (Squadron Officer School, NCO Academy, Senior NCO Academy..even some of the schools I took for radiac calibrations and Spectral Oil Analysis)

Hope this helps..Tus, chime in, I've been out for 15 years now

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2008, 05:08:52 pm »

Officers don't work, they delegate. They do have a "Job", but usually there is enough interest in that job that it really isn't work. Maybe you could get off by sayig delegation is work, but that just isn't right, simply because you can always delegate someone to delegate for you. You know, that whole chain of command thing.

Thus, Tus, you do not work ;)


aaahhh, but lest you forget, I'm an LT who is going to school for his AFSC, meaning that where I work now there are like 3-4 enlisted and like hundreds of LTs, thus there is no one to delegate to ;) ;D

If I remember, he's in pilot training, which means he actually is working harder then many enlisted probably...trying to squeeze in what would be 2 to 4 years of training at a school...into one year of military pilot training can be very intense to say the least.

Which of course brings up the question why the military tries to squeeze that amount of training into such a small amount of time, not just for Pilot training, but a few of their other schools (I think P.A. is one of those as well-that's a medical thing for you who are wondering what it is) too?

As long as they know their stuff though, it's okay...just seems a little hard on students maybe.  And probably very intense.  So I'd say he's definately working rather hard probably...at least if he's passing and trying to get fighters.

Dash, the thing about the military (at least the US), is you only have a certain amount of commitment time to get it all accomplished.

When I enlisted in '73, I had to go for 6 years because I was going to a high end technical school, and the same when I cross trained and reenlisted.

While Tus is an academy grad, if my memory serves, he can leave after ten years. The same also goes for promotions. When I made MSgt, I had to sign a letter of commitment for two years to accept the rank..so they could get thier money out of me. The commitments also come for follow on schools (Squadron Officer School, NCO Academy, Senior NCO Academy..even some of the schools I took for radiac calibrations and Spectral Oil Analysis)

Hope this helps..Tus, chime in, I've been out for 15 years now

Mike


Yeah, it makes sense, stilll crazy that they squeeze that much in...just sign everyone up for longer.  Of course maybe that would reduce recruitment so maybe that's not the idea.

Then again, they also tend to be highly successful  at getting most of the people trained in their schools, even the very intense ones so it's okay...just makes a rough year for the people attending.
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2008, 06:07:19 pm »


If I remember, he's in pilot training, which means he actually is working harder then many enlisted probably...trying to squeeze in what would be 2 to 4 years of training at a school...into one year of military pilot training can be very intense to say the least.

I wasn't saying that what he was doing wasn't important or on one level or another not difficult or, indeed, not work. I was simply stating, from enlisted man to officer, in a manner that hopefully he would understand was a playful jab, that he doesn't actually work. You know, being an officer and all. I could have dropped a few Air Force jabs in there, too, but out of respect, did not. If he doesn't see it now, he will soon enough: officers don't work. It is both tradition, and unwritten regulation. They simply aren't supposed to. School is one thing, but once he's out "in the fleet" (don't know the AF equivalent, but close enough) he'll fully understand if he doesn't already.

Which of course brings up the question why the military tries to squeeze that amount of training into such a small amount of time, not just for Pilot training, but a few of their other schools (I think P.A. is one of those as well-that's a medical thing for you who are wondering what it is) too?

If you can't keep up with the training, you probably can't keep up with the evolving situations that can occur during the course of your work. The training is designed to be rigorous. In this way, they can weed out the "non-hackers that do not pack the gear to serve" in that particular field. The other part of this is that the military has a great deal invested both in the person being trained and the equipment that they are being trained to use. While in school the trainee isn't yet doing anything but learning. Once they're out doing what they were trained to do, they are providing skills and services that both justify the investment and improve (or at the very least maintain) the quality of the equipment that they were trained to run. The day you raise your hand and recite the "... to support and defend..." lines, you become someone's replacement. The sooner you can get out there to replace them, the sooner they can move on to a well deserved better assignment or retirement or even the simple freedom of an Honorable.

You also have to keep in mind that some, if not all, military training centers cut a lot of "fluff" credits out of the curriculum to help reduce the amount of schooling required. Meaning that when you go to learn how to poke a needle in someone's arm, they're not going to teach you how to write a 20 page report on the origins of needle poking because the class for that simply does not exist.

As long as they know their stuff though, it's okay...just seems a little hard on students maybe.  And probably very intense.  So I'd say he's definately working rather hard probably...at least if he's passing and trying to get fighters.

I didn't fly a plane (in fact, in my chosen field, if we heard a plane, it wasn't a good thing, either for us (sub hunter plane) or the plane (downed plane?)) or take schooling to learn such things; but I can understand exactly where Tus is with school and where he is going to be when he is done. I took the Navy's three step program to running and operating a nuclear reactor and associated equipment.  It was hard on the students and staff, and very intense. Long, dry, boring coursework just to find out that, with the exception of the "basics", I had to relearn everything. And to top it off, there's the weekly training to make sure you still know what you're supposed to know.

Tus, just treat your crew like people, and you will never have to work again (and if you are going for piloting a fighter, is that really work?). And be watchful of the Senior Enlisted. You need to trust his/her judgment, but not so much you fall for one of the famous military gags (formerly known as harmless hazing, since hazing was outlawed).

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2008, 08:45:19 pm »
Hey, all I can say mohab..I joined a service smart enough to send their officers out to fight  :laugh: 

"Yessir Capt., you bring that plane back, we'll fix it  ;D "

But trust me, I've led some 2nd Lt.s through the maintenance complex, and alot are amazed at what goes on and the professionalism of the folks.

And the pilots do work hard..constant training, alerts status, and just the fact you're a target up there while I'm sleeping in my quarters warm and happy with my wife...

But then, there are advantages to being a BUFF or tanker pilot...you got a bathroom   :angel: 

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2008, 11:15:01 pm »
he he, Mohab I got your joke when i first read it ;) (and of course I couldn't help but say something ;)), My father was prior before he went through ROTC, so i've heard that line before (and from my cousins);) (and I also agree for the most part, at least once your not a 2LT in transition waiting for school... then yoru getting tasked w/ work that A1Cs don't have time to do ;)).  As for my current AFSC, it was changed a while ago, I'm currently in space and missile.  I do not wish to go into the details about the change other than to say that certain actions, mine and others, cost me my pilot slot.  I can try for it again in two years, though it will be much more difficult.

As for my commitment, there is a standard 5 year commitment for the academy education.  For pilots, the additional pilot training adds another 5 years.  If i were to try, i could go to school for my masters at AF expense (very hard to do) for additional commitments.  As it stands right now I have a 5 year commitment.  At one point I was sure that I would do 20 years, right now its up in the air.

As for the classes.. I'll let you know when i get to those, I have ASBC (an lt training thing) which is going to be a bore for me (its so that every lt is on the same footing in regards to military education... academy kids, OTS have had a lot of this, ROTC kids not so much)  Then i have School in April, Space 100 - which determines where in this career feild i will go (hopefully Space Lift)

O, and when I do get my Pilot slot back, I'll be flying helos, not fighters ;)
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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2008, 05:22:13 am »
i don't have a job, I'm looking for one but all i do is send my resume and wait.

since i don't have a diploma of anything and no special experience in anything special its hard to get a job.

some place have the adds show for more that a year and don't hire.

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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2008, 09:16:47 am »
I work a full time job, with very flexible hours (30-50 hours a week depending upon when they need me). I work for a company that repairs old textile machinery. I work very odd hours. When Im not working for them, I work my farm,make furniture and repair antique firearms and furniture. It helps that Im an insomniac.  ;D





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Re: Working Hours
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2008, 02:37:59 am »
I work anywhere from 40 to 60 hours a week. It just depends on the who and what we have to watch ;)


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