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Re: GAFY does it again!!!
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2008, 06:15:03 pm »
The deflector looks great!

If I could make one change it would simply be this. The inner blue area should be extruded out, like on a sovvie deflector. I know thats a model problem, though.

It kind of is, it pushes out just a bit and uses its own texture. I am not going to do any physical changes to the model for this set, but some work can be done to the texture area there to help that look.

I think....
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2008, 06:57:08 pm »
Okay, I've gone back over it and absorbed it further, and I've broken down my comment by area. The sawtooth on the secondary hull has grown on me. I think its the darker parts that come back to the center-line is what helps. Also, I think that the fact that it follows the contour of the secondary hull perfectly works well, too.

That was the area I did first before shelving the project for a month, and probably the area that I was most happy with on the model, the next area being the engines. it was also where I had based the appearnce of the ship from, it was well working on the engines I started the over all change from the secondary hull look. It was also something I probably should not have done as I think you hit it on the head as to were things started to look not quite there. Over all the quality came out good, but yes there are two distinct patterns and I should have stayed with one.

think the over all look is still good, but I see your point pretty much on how I should have stayed to one idea.

The sawtooths on the top of the saucer don't work for me. I feel like it breaks its own lines, repeatedly. I think that the first (forward most) step is good - even make it a bit steeper, and then it goes in a straight or slightly bowed (either in or out) curve to the edge of the saucer. I can produce an image if you need.

Nope, I know what you are talking about as I was trying to blend a look. I was trying to get the top if you looked down at the ship to flow from middle of the saucer all the way down to the shuttle bay. I also wanted to follow the contours of the bridge and moved to a gray-green base with a green top look. So the dark area flowed out and then sucked in so to speak, should have just followed the brdge area for the effect to work right instead of getting overly ambishious. Good point I did add the hull pattern to it and should have left it to its own saw tooth pattern like I did on the secondary hull, and made the saucer pattern match up were it need to.

The bottom of the saucer is the same as the top.

No not really the pattern is the same but it was meant to match the work on the neck. It is closer to say the lower saucer was meant match the neck and be break away armour plates for a seperation. The top should have had its own pattern, and not matched the bottom. The lower part should be used to tie the neck and saucer together, the top should be a stand alone area.

The top of the neck, the jury is still out, but I'm leaning on not liking it. Again, it kinda confuses the lines, criss crossing them repeatedly.

Think if I had left grayish area solid and not applied the hull lines it would have worked better. The neck hull lines could have been easily made to adapt to the saw pattern. Again it suffers from the same problem as the top the saucer bowl curves up and then the outer area slopes in and then out. Think the saw areas suffer from the change in angle, and would work better on a standard Connie for that area.

The front of the nacelle, is eh. I didn't notice it at first. I would say just have one step but make it slightly bigger.

That one I think is ok as it matches the ratio on the saucer top. Plus the area it occupies starts to strech a bit on the curves their not much but it blurs the lines and I wanted a clean look there. There was no way to fix it or remap it to make it work, and I did not want the gray area any farther back. The TNG one allowed a different solution to the area and the better look for the engine front.

Over all you are correct in your observations I went from hull pattern to a painted on pattern somewhere while working on it. Don't know why I did that unless that break I took made me change my mind on how I want to continue to work on it. Will have to keep an eye out for that on the next version I do. I think the look still works as they do blend in well enough to hide most of what you saw, you really have to work at it to see things like that.
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Re: GAFY does it again!!!
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2008, 02:21:44 am »
I feel a bit stupid for saying this, but I didn't even realise the saw-tooth was deliberately textured in, I thought it was some strange artefact of the render.  Maybe it's a sign that I should wear my glasses a lot more...  :-[

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Re: GAFY does it again!!!
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2008, 05:21:57 am »
I feel a bit stupid for saying this, but I didn't even realise the saw-tooth was deliberately textured in, I thought it was some strange artefact of the render.  Maybe it's a sign that I should wear my glasses a lot more...  :-[

No, it means I am still way under the level of novice when it comes to rendering.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2008, 10:03:50 am »
Hey GAFY, can anything be done with the front of the neck? or is that wronly mapped
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Re: GAFY does it again!!!
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2008, 01:17:36 pm »
Hey GAFY, can anything be done with the front of the neck? or is that wronly mapped

Not following you on this one, need more information
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2008, 01:20:59 pm »
I feel a bit stupid for saying this, but I didn't even realise the saw-tooth was deliberately textured in, I thought it was some strange artefact of the render.  Maybe it's a sign that I should wear my glasses a lot more...  :-[

No, it means I am still way under the level of novice when it comes to rendering.

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2008, 01:38:18 pm »
That's cool!

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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2008, 02:02:53 pm »
I feel a bit stupid for saying this, but I didn't even realise the saw-tooth was deliberately textured in, I thought it was some strange artefact of the render.  Maybe it's a sign that I should wear my glasses a lot more...  :-[

No, it means I am still way under the level of novice when it comes to rendering.

You're better than me by a long stretch.  :)

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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2008, 11:34:43 pm »
I'd love to see these textures applied to WZ's Argentena. Wasn't much of a fan of phaser strips... liked banks better.

Looking forward to having one :)

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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2008, 03:19:41 am »
I'd love to see these textures applied to WZ's Argentena. Wasn't much of a fan of phaser strips... liked banks better.

Looking forward to having one :)

That would be the TMP Eisenhower, which are shown in the first 6 or so renders in the first post of this thread.  :-D
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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2008, 03:20:16 am »
LOL,

Look closily at the first 5 pictures and you will see what you are looking for, she is there
The other 9 of 14 are the Constitution_Valiant.

You can tell by the look of the engines if all else fails, or by the bridges
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2008, 04:33:20 am »
Hmm...

Well, I said Argentina because her phasers are in paired banks- not the TNG phaser strips I don't like so much. It's just a nitpick of mine since I don't think highly of TNG design aesthetic. Otherwise this is a perfect replacement for the F-CX.

Then again it looks like the phaser strips are just a product of textures, and easily edited out if I choose to do so. It just seemed to be the valiant variant because of the phaser strips on the pylons... they look like geometry in some shots, instead of just textures.

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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2008, 04:37:44 am »
The TMP Eisenhower doesn't have phaser arrays, believe it or not.  They're more like micro slotted emitters.  And those aren't phasers on the pylons of the TMP Eisenhower, but a warp plasma flush vent or sorts.

GAFY can tell you the whole concept.
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2008, 11:58:02 am »
The TMP Eisenhower doesn't have phaser arrays, believe it or not.  They're more like micro slotted emitters.  And those aren't phasers on the pylons of the TMP Eisenhower, but a warp plasma flush vent or sorts.

GAFY can tell you the whole concept.

 Bingo!

They are also only on the top of the pylons and not the bottom, so if you wanted to edit those it would be easy to do. As for editing the strip phasers off, well yes on the Argentena they are basically painted on but the way the suacer is textured will not make them easy to remove, and keep the same look. Well I should say not going to be easy for anyone without the build files, as I designed those with that in mind.
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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2008, 10:12:01 pm »
GAFY = Evil Texture Mind.
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2008, 03:47:15 pm »
You could probably use parts of the TNG saucer as a blanking texture for those areas. The area around the phasers uses the same pattern and I am sure I used the ssame base there.
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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2008, 12:11:55 am »
Okay, I've gone back over it and absorbed it further, and I've broken down my comment by area. The sawtooth on the secondary hull has grown on me. I think its the darker parts that come back to the center-line is what helps. Also, I think that the fact that it follows the contour of the secondary hull perfectly works well, too.

The sawtooths on the top of the saucer don't work for me. I feel like it breaks its own lines, repeatedly. I think that the first (forward most) step is good - even make it a bit steeper, and then it goes in a straight or slightly bowed (either in or out) curve to the edge of the saucer. I can produce an image if you need.

The bottom of the saucer is the same as the top.

The top of the neck, the jury is still out, but I'm leaning on not liking it. Again, it kinda confuses the lines, criss crossing them repeatedly.

The front of the nacelle, is eh. I didn't notice it at first. I would say just have one step but make it slightly bigger.

Getting back to this abit.
I did use transparent areas in the Grays on the secondary hull, so I don't think continuing that trend is where it went wrong. Where I made the mistake is that I did not follw the outline of the sawtooth area as part of the armoured hull on nthe other places like I did on the secondary hull. They should have had the bump mapping follow the edges as they did on the lower hull to keep the same look. Also in keeping that look the gray area on the saucer should have also been smaller or a larger Green area to match the rest of the ship better.

Not that I am going to redo this set as they are a done deal.

It is more or less incase I decide to continue with the Blue or Red sets, and start to use them on other ships Ideas. The other ideas would require meshing and wrapping skills that I currently don't have though
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2008, 02:58:05 am »
Sent the new Deflector off to Cent, lets see if it will cause him to generate more renders  ;D
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« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2008, 06:38:46 pm »
Well, I decided to make some renders of the ship with the updated textures that GAFY sent.  2 of the pics are closeups of the deflector.  Is it just me, or is anyone else reminded of Iron Man when looking at the deflector?
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