Topic: Stupid OP Question of the year

[Ravok]

I know, I'm going to probally get ripped for this one. But of the 2, Is a Battle Cruiser, a bigger and more powerful ship, than A Heavy Comand Cruiser ?

[Kroma BaSyl]

I believe it is bigger than the CC but not as big as the CCH.

[FPF-DieHard]

I know, I'm going to probally get ripped for this one. But of the 2, Is a Battle Cruiser, a bigger and more powerful ship, than A Heavy Comand Cruiser ?

Yes.

F-CC+  =  Command cruiser
F-CB    =  CCH (Heavy Command Cruiser)
F-BCG/BCF = Heavy Battlecruiser.

[Don Karnage]

size is not important, its kinda the weapons on the ship and who's commanding it.

since the ai is week you can get a Ca to kill a DN.

the weapons you have will make a difference when you fire at you're enemy, drone can do a lot of damage but are limited, phaser will be best, plasma required too much power and you need o be close to make a lot of damage, but will weaken the shield.

good shield and phaser is the right stuff you need to win.

[FPF-DieHard]

size is not important, its kinda the weapons on the ship and who's commanding it.

since the ai is week you can get a Ca to kill a DN.

the weapons you have will make a difference when you fire at you're enemy, drone can do a lot of damage but are limited, phaser will be best, plasma required too much power and you need o be close to make a lot of damage, but will weaken the shield.

good shield and phaser is the right stuff you need to win.

Did you even read his question?   

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

It's tough to say. I agree w/ Diehard that it would go like this:
CC
CCH
BCH

However, that last one is a Heavy Battlecruiser, a significantly bigger ship than a plain Battlecruiser.
For example, the Kzinti have the Z-BC which is somewhere around the same capabilities as the Z-CA or CC, but smaller than the Z-CCH. But then they have the BCH. And the same with the Gorn G-BC, which is smaller than the Gorn CCH, and much smaller than the G-BCH. The Lyrans seem to have a BC which, sizewise, is between their CCH and BCH.

So it's confusing, and on top of that, the Klingons choose to call their D6 and D7s battlecruisers, when they don't seem to be more than light cruisers/heavy cruisers.

To be safe, I would call any BCH-type ships "Heavy Battlecruisers" so that people won't be confused with regular BCs.

[Kroma BaSyl]

It's tough to say. I agree w/ Diehard that it would go like this:
CC
CCH
BCH

However, that last one is a Heavy Battlecruiser, a significantly bigger ship than a plain Battlecruiser.
For example, the Kzinti have the Z-BC which is somewhere around the same capabilities as the Z-CA or CC, but smaller than the Z-CCH. But then they have the BCH. And the same with the Gorn G-BC, which is about the same as the Gorn CCH, but much smaller than the G-BCH. The Lyrans seem to have a BC which, sizewise, is between their CCH and BCH.

So it's confusing, and on top of that, the Klingons choose to call their D6 and D7s battlecruisers, when they don't seem to be more than light cruisers/heavy cruisers.

To be safe, I would call any BCH-type ships "Heavy Battlecruisers" so that people won't be confused with regular BCs.

Correct, that was what I was on about. The BC is like a CC, which is smaller than the CCH, which is in turn smaller than the BCH. The BC is a beefed up CA that isn't a command varient. Personally, I never fly the BCs. But there is nothing like a good BF. ;-)

[Corbomite]

IMO, a Battlecruiser is a CA designed for combat operations, i.e, less labs, bowling alleys and barber shops and other "niceties" in favor of a stripped down combat chassis that is easier and faster to build and deploy.

[Ravok]

Thanks Guys ! I was thinking about the Klingon Kitinga class specifically, it one of my favorite ships.( I know you purists hate it!! ). But I never knew where it exactly fit in.

[Kroma BaSyl]

Thanks Guys ! I was thinking about the Klingon Kitinga class specifically, it one of my favorite ships.( I know you purists hate it!! ). But I never knew where it exactly fit in.

On fantasy island, for Klingons with photon envy.

[Ravok]

Thanks Guys ! I was thinking about the Klingon Kitinga class specifically, it one of my favorite ships.( I know you purists hate it!! ). But I never knew where it exactly fit in.

On fantasy island, for Klingons with photon envy.

 

 Well it fills in a gap, in Klink ships in my opinion. It essentially gives them an artillery piece in combat,with proximity torps.
 
 Having,9 phaser 1s is pretty handy too.

 I allways thought, that they should have made a variant of it, as an X ship. not the C-7.

[_Rondo_GE The OutLaw]

The BCH was meant to be a cheap low end DN.  Top of the line Heavy Cruiser.  It was usually the preffered class of a majority of players for most ladder matches.

In both SFC and SFC II the BCh I found class was the most played class and 180 - 200 the most played BPV.

SFC1...dominant BCH's were Kling C7, Fed BCF, Gorn BCH, Hydran OV, Lyran BCH... and at high BPV (215) the freakish Rom KCR.

SFCII ...  kling C7, BCF, ISC-CCZ, ROM KVL( an Early DN)

SFC OP - kling C7, BCF, ISC-CCY, Lyran BCH, Hydran OV, ROM KVL, ISC CC

The ISC did not seem to have a BCH clas unless you count the CCY but I' not sure it really is a BCH.  SFC II was pretty whacked.  They fiddled witht he ESG so much they effectively kiled the lyrans for a time.  Also fighter were broken moast of the time in SFCII.  But if you look at it the BCH class is the prefferred class.  Although other classes pop up here and there.

[Tulwar]

I know, I'm going to probally get ripped for this one. But of the 2, Is a Battle Cruiser, a bigger and more powerful ship, than A Heavy Comand Cruiser ?

Yes.

F-CC+  =  Command cruiser
F-CB    =  CCH (Heavy Command Cruiser)
F-BCG/BCF = Heavy Battlecruiser.

I was about to contradict DieHard, until I realized that Ravok meant "BCH" rather than just a regular BC.  The BCH's are the top of the food chain, as far as cruisers are concerned.  The Gorn and the Klingons and the like have regular BC's that are run of the mill, movebase = 1 starships.

[Tulwar]

Thanks Guys ! I was thinking about the Klingon Kitinga class specifically, it one of my favorite ships.( I know you purists hate it!! ). But I never knew where it exactly fit in.

The K'tinga is a waste of beryllium.

[Age]

I would have to say getting Techie about this is that BCH is more capable of exploring more parts of space than say CA.The Excelsior can explore way more space than the Enterprise-A can and is heavier armed.I would say that the Tinga is a CCH a lot like the Enterprise.

What does Kroma mean by there is nothing like good BF?

[Bernard Guignard]

When you get down to it, Depends on your frame of Reference and what type of Trek universe your moding your game to play with

The Regular SFC game uses the Excelsior as your Battle cruiser design and TMP ships.

A person wanting to Stay closer to the SFB Roots would use All  TOS Ships and would have The Battlcruisers take on thier TOS Cruiser Variant Look 
one nice idea was the Drone cruiser the Longbow

You Could also have a FASA universe Mod where the Excelsior would become the Battleship

The Mastercom Universe  where the Battle cruiser is the Sleek and Fast looking  Menhaga or Sharian Class ships

It All depends on your frame of Reference and what you prefer seeing

[Age]

I am more of SFC person rather than SFB person since it is played  at higher game speed  iirc SFB is played game speed slider1.

[marstone]

I am more of SFC person rather than SFB person since it is played  at higher game speed  iirc SFB is played game speed slider1.

Well, SFB is played at the speed of cardboard counters.  What takes about a minute in SFC can take an hour in SFB (when the battle gets going good)

[Julin Eurthyr]

To chime in on a few points in this thread...

The "Battle Cruiser" designation, as mentioned above, more of a "nickname" than an actual hull size.  Though, being technical, the K'tinga is a variant of the D7, which the Klingons call "battlecruiser"...
For the Gorn, Lyrans and Kzinti/Mirak, their battlecruisers (BC) are more an upgrade of their basic CA hull made more combat-worthy, sorta like the Fed CA+/CAR+ in comparison.  I think the Gorn did the name to make their CA+ sound more fearsome, the Kzinti to make their crews love the ship (cause they dreaded the CA), and the Lyrans because their CCs were reserved for nobility...

The BF Kroma speaks of is the Gorn G-BF or "fast battlecruiser".  That's the Gorn's entry into the Fast Cruiser race, taking their BC (buffed up CA hull) and giving it the "standard" Fast Cruiser upgrade, it loses a couple of Plasmas (Pl-Fs?) for phasers, and gets stouter engines.

My studies of the SFB hull designs tell me the BCH series was designed to be the "best" combat ship that a normal Cruiser shipyard can build out of "standard" technologies.  When you read the ship descriptions, the CW/NCA line was designed to be built in destroyer-sized slipways but give "CA levels" of combat capability.  The DWs are built in frigate-sized slipways, to replace all the DDs not being built while the DD slipways are cranking out CWs.  And, the BCH is the ultimate ship built in CA slipways.
Coincidentally, the BCHs were also designed to all weigh in around the same size, 180 BPV.  This was done as a "pseudo tournament" ship...
Going by "SFB Lore", oddly enough, in a straight out "exploratory" role, the Early to Mid-era CAs are "better" explorers than the BCH because of lab ratio (lab ratio = # of labs vs overall # of boxes/systems), fuel effiency (aka move cost) and staffing (crew) needs.

Meanwhile, the ISC never built a "BCH", mainly because of the ISC's late entry into the general war.  Per SFB, the ISC doesn't really get into the fighting until the (SFC-timed) 2280 ballpark, when all the BCHs, CBs, CWs, DWs, etc. were already built.  Because the ISC knew (thru spying) what everyone else was building, they built their ships to be the best of the era.  The CAZ weighs in around 179 (SFB) BPV (low end BCH range) and the CCZ weigs in at a 209 (SFB) BPV or so, equivalent to most of the "fully droned out" BCHs (when using all the BPV additions for drones etc. per SFB).

[Age]

The I-CCZ is 209 in the board game no wonder it is an over powered oil can in SFC it is 229.