Topic: I consider this important enough...

[toasty0]

That I dropped the video on my welcome page. http://www.jerryhammond.net

Please take a moment to watch the video if you have not already.

[marstone]

I always have to laugh everytime I hear that natural gas is cheap and abundant.  Then why does my heating bill for my house go up each year (natural gas prices are climbing also and if we turn it over for to many cars and such, it will put heating my house out of reach).

[Don Karnage]

its just talk.

the best way to reduce the gas is

1: make cars that take a lot less fuel.

2: invest in public transport to reduce the number of cars on the road.

in the game civilization 4 there something that says that electricity will be so cheap that only the rich will still use candle, and yet the electricity bill, gas bill all fuels price go sky high.

since we all depend of it they all make us pay more so they can make more money out of it.

IF this IF that, talk is cheap, but reality is why would the reduce the price for electricity or gas if the can rise it and make more money?

competition is good but when the competition work hand to hand so the can raise they profit they make each years you just wonder what can you do?

ask the government to force them to lower the price so you can afford to heat you're house, put gas in you're car?

well the received huge amount of cash from them and they received taxes from it, why would the lower it then?

vote for someone else at the next election?, well election are fix since they all want to make money and all of them will promise this and that so you vote for them.

[Soliton]

T Boone Pickens is using his plan for wind power to get a right of way through eminent domain for a water pipeline from the Ogallala Aquifer in North Texas to more southernly cities in Texas. He's not Mr Benevolent.

Remember Pickens is the guy who financed the Swiftboaters against Kerry in 2004.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_25/b4089040017753.htm

[toasty0]

T Boone Pickens is using his plan for wind power to get a right of way through eminent domain for a water pipeline from the Ogallala Aquifer in North Texas to more southernly cities in Texas. He's not Mr Benevolent.

Remember Pickens is the guy who financed the Swiftboaters against Kerry in 2004.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_25/b4089040017753.htm

In what way does either of your statements (claims) invalidate his plan?

[Soliton]

In what way does either of your statements (claims) invalidate his plan?

When someone is trying to sell a supposed good thing in order to have his own personal project piggyback with that good thing, I have to doubt the positive claims made about the good thing. He stands to make a lot of money from his water plans. He probably could care less whether the wind power project succeeds or fails once he gets the right of way for his pipeline.

Doesn't it give you any pause when you learn there's more to this than what has been presented by Pickens? Would he be doing this big PR campaign if it meant windmills and nothing more? Others have put up windmills without all this hoopla and fanfare.

[knightstorm]

1: make cars that take a lot less fuel.

They do.  Unfortunately people want to buy the gas guzzlers.  Personally, while I can understand getting an SUV if you live in a rural area, the people who buy them to drive around Manhattan are morons.

2: invest in public transport to reduce the number of cars on the road.

Once more, investment in public transportation depends in part on people deciding to use it rather than driving.  Its impossible to fund expansions of subway systems if the trains are going to be half empty.

[GotAFarmYet?]

1: make cars that take a lot less fuel.

They do.  Unfortunately people want to buy the gas guzzlers.  Personally, while I can understand getting an SUV if you live in a rural area, the people who buy them to drive around Manhattan are morons.

2: invest in public transport to reduce the number of cars on the road.

Once more, investment in public transportation depends in part on people deciding to use it rather than driving.  Its impossible to fund expansions of subway systems if the trains are going to be half empty.

Actually most of the models that get better fuel mileage built in the US are ear maked for foreign markets. GM makes a few 40+ mpg cars that are only sold overseas. One of the issues are they don't have all the enviromental add-ons for the states or he safty features, this makes the cars lighter are more efficent, and not saliable here.

Public transportation sounds great but only if the city is designed for it does it work. Most east coast cities are tall and not spread out. The new cities are based on the car and and designed low and wide. This means thta the ppoulation base is spread out, which makles it harder to make profit. With little to no profit involved in the western cities public transportation can actually cost more than using a car. Now a few cities are starting to build upwards instead out outward and are redesigning themselves to work better with public transportation Long Beach CA being one of them. The problem is it will take them years to achieve a small increase and decades until the work will pay off. Being one of the major ports in the pacific will help keep the investors there were this can be done, not all cities are capable of this. I live in CA about 12 miles from downtown Santa Ana 15-25 minute drive to and from work. To use public transportation I would have to use 6 different buses and walk about 4 miles, also I would have to leave and get home allot later. I would have to leave my house at 4 am to make it to work and be back about 8 pm because of the schedules to catch the bueses. I can use the trainstation and get the time down but the train ticket is 4 times as much at which point it is cheaper to drive. The bus fares and the cost of driving are close the bus works out slightly less but the time lost is not worth it.

I have lived in New York were the Public transportation works, and have used it when travelling on the east coast. Everyone talks about using it but unless you live on the east coast or in an area designed for it, you will find it not worth it.

You want to make a difference look up the city planners and in the next election vote for the right ones and leaders that are capable of doing that. Who you vote in at the local level are more inportant than who the President is!

[knightstorm]

1: make cars that take a lot less fuel.

They do.  Unfortunately people want to buy the gas guzzlers.  Personally, while I can understand getting an SUV if you live in a rural area, the people who buy them to drive around Manhattan are morons.

2: invest in public transport to reduce the number of cars on the road.

Once more, investment in public transportation depends in part on people deciding to use it rather than driving.  Its impossible to fund expansions of subway systems if the trains are going to be half empty.

Actually most of the models that get better fuel mileage built in the US are ear maked for foreign markets. GM makes a few 40+ mpg cars that are only sold overseas. One of the issues are they don't have all the enviromental add-ons for the states or he safty features, this makes the cars lighter are more efficent, and not saliable here.

What I meant is that people tend to be more concerned about style than fuel efficiency.  Ie.  For years people in urban areas who are never going to need 4 wheel drive kept buying SUVs despite the fact that gas prices were steadily rising.  Then they complain that gas is too expensive.  Putting cars on the market that are more fuel efficient does no good if people don't want to buy them.

[Just plain old Punisher]

Is it the pickens plan?

::checks video::

Yup.