Topic: Busy Busy FoaS (A few TOS ships here and there)

[GotAFarmYet?]

for the bottom the sketch that Atlom made might work.
you use it on the side facing pieces and strech the patern across the bottom pieces in the center of the bottom. On the outer bottom areas you flow it to the back as overlapping triangles.

[FoaS_XC]

Here's where the fleet is.

I scratched the hump and replaced it with a back assembly from the B10

[Kreeargh]

Beautifull dude  Do all these ships use 1 map per model?

[Norsehound]

You could always spare the hump version for a carrier/ECM version. I was going to suggest Obvious Missile Ports, but it looks like you've found your solution. *shrug*

[Klingon Fanatic]

I like the new direction of the L-24 but I think the scale of the B-10 engineering section is off. I like the idea of putting an engineering section there though. Also have you considered swaping out the L-24 Nacelles with the D-2/Hammerhead version?

I like the idea of an ECM pod for the orginal L-24 hump but I prefer the direction you are going in.

One of the cool things about your fleets is that, IMHO, you are taking into account uniformity of ship systems and the comparison scales are being kept proportionally.

I think I've only seen this level of attention to detail in regards to COMPLETED fleets at the old SFB oriented Fleetdock 13 site where there was at least a fed fleet that was built with the idea that componant parts, like warp engines, should be scaled correctly in comparison to other ships in the fleet.

Thank you again for doing this project and sharing the WIPs/releases with us.

[FoaS_XC]

Beautifull dude  Do all these ships use 1 map per model?

Not yet. I'm still debating as to whether or not I want to go through the effort to do as much.

You could always spare the hump version for a carrier/ECM version. I was going to suggest Obvious Missile Ports, but it looks like you've found your solution. *shrug*

The idea of a different pod did cross my mind, but it's been very hard to get the one that was included in the model to work well for me. Perhaps when I work on a few other of WZs models another pod will work better.

I like the new direction of the L-24 but I think the scale of the B-10 engineering section is off. I like the idea of putting an engineering section there though. Also have you considered swaping out the L-24 Nacelles with the D-2/Hammerhead version?

I like the idea of an ECM pod for the orginal L-24 hump but I prefer the direction you are going in.

One of the cool things about your fleets is that, IMHO, you are taking into account uniformity of ship systems and the comparison scales are being kept proportionally.

I think I've only seen this level of attention to detail in regards to COMPLETED fleets at the old SFB oriented Fleetdock 13 site where there was at least a fed fleet that was built with the idea that componant parts, like warp engines, should be scaled correctly in comparison to other ships in the fleet.

Thank you again for doing this project and sharing the WIPs/releases with us.

I did not change the scale of the B-10 deck when I stole it from the original model.

As far as uniformity: that was the goal when I started this project years ago

[Norsehound]

The idea of a different pod did cross my mind, but it's been very hard to get the one that was included in the model to work well for me. Perhaps when I work on a few other of WZs models another pod will work better.

I was thinking that the sides of that engineering pod could have been decorated with either sensor grids (ala the Escort) or obvious launch bays, or large missile tubes. After all how many Klingon ships show their missile ports despite having a few of them?

Though the B-10 Engineering deck does look interesting :\

[FoaS_XC]

Okay, I am making a decision. I know this won't sit well with many, but I took out a lot of the torpedo tubes. I like the idea that disruptors are heavy weapons, and photorps are a federation exclusive weapon. Thus, the hole's one the front of the klingon ships are now deflectors.

[Klingon Fanatic]

Okay, I am making a decision. I know this won't sit well with many, but I took out a lot of the torpedo tubes. I like the idea that disruptors are heavy weapons, and photorps are a federation exclusive weapon. Thus, the hole's one the front of the klingon ships are now deflectors.

That's not a HUGE deal to me. It will be interesting to see how you tackle the forward mounted Romulan Plasma weapons for the Klingon exchange ships you plan to do. I have stated my position on the dual mounted forward torpedo/deflector rings elsewhere in the modelling forum. Chalk up one plus for the TOS/SFB fans.

I've only argued for the Klingons to have the OPTION to have torpedo tubes ala the canon TMP movies, Klingon Academy and the non-canon FASA Trek.

Besides, those of us that want forward torpedo tubes can swap out the deflector textures later.

I'll just be glad to have the revised fleet and hopefully a set of reworked Klingon Starbases...

Keep up the excellent work.

[Kreeargh]

Huh i always thought only the Ktinga had fed style torps  tell you how much i know about trek huh.

[FoaS_XC]

Depends on where you go for your information: According to Canon, yes, klingons have photon torpedoes. According to SFB (which I actually like more) klingons had Disruptors instead of photorps, and used phasers along side them (basically everyone had phasers whereas disruptors are a heavy weapon analogous to the photorp). In my lore Klingons used lighter beam disruptors as primary and heavier pulse disruptors as heavy weapons with no photons whatsoever.

[FoaS_XC]

K'Tinga v2.0 has been released

You can find it on my site.

[FoaS_XC]

Komo Val is up as well

Also available on my site, of course.

[GotAFarmYet?]

You could always opt out for a sensor in that forward area, instead of a deflector. BTW I also agree never liked the Kligons with Photon either, then again I like the the photon to have been a energy weapon and not a actual missile type weapon.

[marstone]

Depends on where you go for your information: According to Canon, yes, klingons have photon torpedoes. According to SFB (which I actually like more) klingons had Disruptors instead of photorps, and used phasers along side them (basically everyone had phasers whereas disruptors are a heavy weapon analogous to the photorp). In my lore Klingons used lighter beam disruptors as primary and heavier pulse disruptors as heavy weapons with no photons whatsoever.

I will agree for the layout with maybe alittle exception.  It has been stated that Ph-1's and such have been used for other weapons (Tholians were stated to not actually have Ph-1's but they are similar).  Thus the Klingons could use Disruptor beams for main weapons, but the damage chart is similar to phasers, and the Disruptor bolt as the heavy.  Thus the color of the beams are different.

[FoaS_XC]

You could always opt out for a sensor in that forward area, instead of a deflector. BTW I also agree never liked the Kligons with Photon either, then again I like the the photon to have been a energy weapon and not a actual missile type weapon.

I agree on the photon torp.
I figured that the strips on the top of the head-hat would be sensors. Six of one - half dozen of the other really.

Depends on where you go for your information: According to Canon, yes, klingons have photon torpedoes. According to SFB (which I actually like more) klingons had Disruptors instead of photorps, and used phasers along side them (basically everyone had phasers whereas disruptors are a heavy weapon analogous to the photorp). In my lore Klingons used lighter beam disruptors as primary and heavier pulse disruptors as heavy weapons with no photons whatsoever.

I will agree for the layout with maybe alittle exception.  It has been stated that Ph-1's and such have been used for other weapons (Tholians were stated to not actually have Ph-1's but they are similar).  Thus the Klingons could use Disruptor beams for main weapons, but the damage chart is similar to phasers, and the Disruptor bolt as the heavy.  Thus the color of the beams are different.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[FoaS_XC]

And guess what - another ship out. This time the qaHos-class Light Cruiser (known by most as the D-5) Get it here

[CaptCujo]

Thanks !

[FoaS_XC]

anytime

[Klingon Fanatic]

FoaS, the D-5 seems to be missing some disruptor textures they show up as white. That deflector texture is really neat. Good job.


Skipping ahead a bit regarding the Romulan and and Lyran fleets. I really like Thulls' versions and the kitbashes Firesoul did on them are you planning on using them?

Also. These fleets are cool but are you going to give us a Shiplist too?

Qapla'

KF