Topic: Busy Busy FoaS (A few TOS ships here and there)

[Norsehound]

Well, I guess what I meant was excessive (and IMO, unecissary) detailing in some places. I thought the nacelles were too close to the hull, and don't care much for the ribbing on the top of the nacelles or the strange spire coming out of the deflector dish. Either way it is what it is...

The original design can be found here...

http://users.adelphia.net/~anarion/Churchill/churchill/index.html

Someone's pointed me to the source image already, and I've seen it. Hasn't swayed my opinion any though.

FoaS, your fighter design wouldn't happen to have been influenced by the terrible Galactica viper would it? The white and red scream so.

Nevertheless, I follow your idea of Starfleet being primarily a military organization. I don't like the 'humanitarian' bent going on in TNG... seems Starfleet lost most of it's teeth in the years after ST VI and TNG. I like Starfleet command because it plays to the era of ST III-IV, where 'the future' was the Excelsior.

Also, I'd think space fighters would be a detachment from the navy, while some of these fighters used in ground regiments would be colored for those units. As most of the space fighters deployed with typical Federation ships are navy, shouldn't they be blue also?

Though when making specialized color variants for utility craft (Troop transports?) for color, take into consideration the uniform color-coding at the time. Scott's Guide to the enterprise pointed out that the under-shirt color was indicative of departments, like the older colored shirts were.

[FoaS_XC]

I disgree, the Galactica viper was hardly horrible.

Yeah, i know about the normal trek uniform coloration, I've chosen to waive them.

EDIT:
I thought about what you said about the military organization, and I disagree. We can't take the real world air forces as an example of things because in the real world a fighter doesn't have to go very far to get from point of departure to target, space however, is very very large. Due to this, I think fighters, in order to be offensive (leaving system defense out of it for now) Must rely on carriers to get from friendly space to enemy space. With that in mind, it wouldn't make sense to have (to pull an arbitrary number) 70% of fighters as a mere offshoot of the navy. in that case, the starfighter corps should stay as a seperate entity that coincides on a carrier, much like the marine corps on any other ship.

[GotAFarmYet?]

Looking at the Churchill again it would seem the aztec pattern on the warp pylons is to small compared to those on the warp drive and the lower hull.

[Don Karnage]

TMP fighter are greatly needed, a lot of ship are made and kitbash from bot TOS and TMP but fighter would be easy and fast to do.

beside the WW2 fighter that WZ made they're is no fighter made.

we have fighter from both galactica series, and from the starwars movies, but still fighter that are startrek would be fun, sure they're is only one from TMP made with the game, so its time to imagine fighter that are startrek in design.

[Vipre]

Someone's pointed me to the source image already, and I've seen it. Hasn't swayed my opinion any though.

Wasn't an attempt to sway, I just saw your earlier post asking about where the design came from. Probably should've quoted that post to avoid the confusion.

[GotAFarmYet?]

Found four fighters might have more hidding on the HDD

[Norsehound]

I like the stock TMP fighter. It's a nice and imaginative effort to present fighters in a universe dominated by capital ships. Certainly more convincing than the later examples presented by canon TNG, anyway.

Likewise, Thu11s presents a 'heavy fighter' that comes across well as a bomber.

As to organization, it's your choice as you're the skinner. However, when considering it myself? I'd look at how the US navy is organized and use it as a basis. Certainly a Marine force would have access to their own fighter vessels (and their own specialized space-navy craft, as the US navy has presently) but when it came to space battles, most operations would be performed by pure navy craft. One doesn't ask the marines to participate in ship-to-ship combat, do they? (outside of boarding actions I mean).

However, it does raise the question of how space navy and marine fighters would be configured for their missions. I'm not sure if SFC:OP accepts new fighter classes easily (whenever I've modded fighters, it's usually been a disaster), but if they can, perhaps a modder should consider separate variants of federation fighters for navy, marine, and army use.

[Don Karnage]

Found four fighters might have more hidding on the HDD

the 1st look a bit big, like a pf, the 2nd one look kinda familiar.

the 3r one seem good, and the 4th one i think i have see it before.

nice to have 4 new fighter, only 2 have a startrek look.

I like the stock TMP fighter. It's a nice and imaginative effort to present fighters in a universe dominated by capital ships. Certainly more convincing than the later examples presented by canon TNG, anyway.

Likewise, Thu11s presents a 'heavy fighter' that comes across well as a bomber.

As to organization, it's your choice as you're the skinner. However, when considering it myself? I'd look at how the US navy is organized and use it as a basis. Certainly a Marine force would have access to their own fighter vessels (and their own specialized space-navy craft, as the US navy has presently) but when it came to space battles, most operations would be performed by pure navy craft. One doesn't ask the marines to participate in ship-to-ship combat, do they? (outside of boarding actions I mean).

However, it does raise the question of how space navy and marine fighters would be configured for their missions. I'm not sure if SFC:OP accepts new fighter classes easily (whenever I've modded fighters, it's usually been a disaster), but if they can, perhaps a modder should consider separate variants of federation fighters for navy, marine, and army use.

i have add fighters in op and it seem to be fine.

[FoaS_XC]

GAFY I like them all. They all have great potential, even the TNG flavored ones can be retoned to TMP.

is the second one the Heretic from Privateer two?

[GotAFarmYet?]

GAFY I like them all. They all have great potential, even the TNG flavored ones can be retoned to TMP.

is the second one the Heretic from Privateer two?

Looks like it was based from the Anime Crusher Joe from the late 70s' or so. Something simular was used in a battle tech cover as well so it probably made it into a game or two by now.

The next question is what now, I have no Idea where I got them.

[Norsehound]

FoaS, you have many models done. Will you release them in the near future?

I am very eager to get my hands on an excelsior of exceptional quality. Your Miranda doesn't look like it'll disappoint either.

[FoaS_XC]

FoaS, you have many models done. Will you release them in the near future?

I am very eager to get my hands on an excelsior of exceptional quality. Your Miranda doesn't look like it'll disappoint either.

lol, come on. you guys know how notorious I am for not releasing things. I will do my best, however.
As you said, there are a lot of ships, and I don't really play SFC anymore. It's only by sheer luck that I have max4 (i use max 9 for everything) and conversion back isn't always a breeze. Not to mention that a lot of these guys need break models and hardpointing. Obviously WZs ships are an exception, but it still leaves behind a lot.

There are also a boatload left to do. The Midway comes to mind immediately, for example.

GAFY I am very interested in getting my hands on those fighters. Do you think you could toss them my way? Rob (at) Robinomicon (dot) com is my email.

[FoaS_XC]

Btw. A quick fighter design of my own. Please note the slightly modified nacelles.

[Star Dragon]

That first pic looks like the escort fighter made by G.Y. (a female HW2 modeler).
You can find her over at the Relic forums.

It came with a cap ship and her version of Yukkikaze...

I never did get around to trying to reskin it as I am not  a texturer.
Plus I lost the ability to open hw2 files and haven't found where my raw conversion went to.

[EDIT] Yes it is her escort. I found the files (Fighter, bomber, yukkikaze, alien cap, and terran cap. All anime inspired.

[Norsehound]

I think I've been watching too much star wars... reminds me of a Y-wing.

On the other hand I wouldn't say this is a fighter.... but it looks like a PF/Gunship. Dare I say it might look the part more than Thu11's version?

[Centurus]

Btw. A quick fighter design of my own. Please note the slightly modified nacelles.

The warp engines remind me of the ones WZ's used on his Lethality and his Bellicose.  Very nice.

[Star Dragon]

I would say most of all space is at a premium.

No matter the design if it takes up much more space then a Galileo Shuttle then simply arming those would not necessitate havign dedicated fighters. It wouldn't be efficient to have multiple craft. Ditto on those observations FW just made.

ATM it doesn't look like a cockpit, more like a tiny cruiser, but that's just my opinion.

[FoaS_XC]

Yeah, on sleeping on it, I'd rather call it a PF.
Still needs a bit of detailing work, but I hope to not put the poly count over 3k. I had played with the idea of the nacelles downward, but I like this more. An impulse crystal and impulse vent will be added to the rear of the fusalage - just haven't gotten to it, yet.

Star Dragon, do you think you could email me those small craft? (I saw the cap ships, not really interested in those) I can grab them out of the HW format.

[FoaS_XC]

Completed my bashing.
I don't know much about Pseudofighters in SFB, but the torp pod made sense. I took out the aft launchers, so its just a pair of forward firing torps




EDIT: I lied, added a deflector. polycount = 4381

[FoaS_XC]

well, SFC has PhoFs, those could be microtorpedos. but even so, it would be easy to change it to a single launcher. Let me see what SFB books say about the thunderbolt and then go from there.