Topic: Briton claims he broke into Pentagon, NASA computers to find UFO data

[Czar Mohab]

I don't have the liberty to say what I know about how the system works now.

This kinda covers it.

Czar "I'm with you, Nem, honest" Mohab

P.S. Can he have a cookie in the big house? Some good did come from it.

[Nemesis]

I don't have the liberty to say what I know about how the system works now.

This kinda covers it.

Czar "I'm with you, Nem, honest" Mohab

P.S. Can he have a cookie in the big house? Some good did come from it.

If he had done what he did to force solving of the security issues then maybe but he did not.  If he had been able to expose some type of "government conspiracy" such as the was looking for then again maybe.

One thing to remember about this "skilled" hacker is much of his hacking was done while drinking beer and smoking joints so it is unclear what if anything he actually saw and where he saw it.  He might have seen a list of "non terrestrial officers" as he claimed but if he did it likely included Captain S. Carter. 

[Nemesis]

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Leni de Abreu Neto, 35, of Taubate, Brazil, allegedly maintained and leased access to a 100,000-strong botnet network of compromised PCs that he subsequently attempted to sell, according to an indictment returned by a federal grand jury in New Orleans. If convicted, Neto faces up to five years imprisonment as well as fines and restitution payments of more than $250,000.

MacKinnon is supposed to have entered 90+ computers and is threatened with decades in jail.  This guy (allegedly) entered and took control of 100,000 computers for illegal purposes and is threatened with UP TO 5 years.  Whose crime was of greater magnitude yet who is threatened with the harsher sentence? 

[knightstorm]

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Leni de Abreu Neto, 35, of Taubate, Brazil, allegedly maintained and leased access to a 100,000-strong botnet network of compromised PCs that he subsequently attempted to sell, according to an indictment returned by a federal grand jury in New Orleans. If convicted, Neto faces up to five years imprisonment as well as fines and restitution payments of more than $250,000.

MacKinnon is supposed to have entered 90+ computers and is threatened with decades in jail.  This guy (allegedly) entered and took control of 100,000 computers for illegal purposes and is threatened with UP TO 5 years.  Whose crime was of greater magnitude yet who is threatened with the harsher sentence? 

Which one of the two attacked a department of the United States Federal Government.

[toasty0]

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Leni de Abreu Neto, 35, of Taubate, Brazil, allegedly maintained and leased access to a 100,000-strong botnet network of compromised PCs that he subsequently attempted to sell, according to an indictment returned by a federal grand jury in New Orleans. If convicted, Neto faces up to five years imprisonment as well as fines and restitution payments of more than $250,000.

MacKinnon is supposed to have entered 90+ computers and is threatened with decades in jail.  This guy (allegedly) entered and took control of 100,000 computers for illegal purposes and is threatened with UP TO 5 years.  Whose crime was of greater magnitude yet who is threatened with the harsher sentence? 

Oh boo hoo. Just cause gets a break both should? Both should hjave their arse kicked.  I know two wrongs don't make a right, niether does one right make a wrong.

[Nemesis]

Which one of the two attacked a department of the United States Federal Government.

With 100,000 computers controlled and the attacks likely automated do you really think there were no U.S. Federal government computers taken over?  I'd say the odds were that at the very least he (allegedly) ATTACKED many of them whether he got in or not. 

Also remember he(allegedly)  took control of more than 1000 times as many computers.  Is that less a crime just because none of them were government?  He also (allegedly) conspired to use them for further attacks which heightens the crime. 

I don't see justice here.

[Nemesis]

Oh boo hoo. Just cause gets a break both should? Both should hjave their arse kicked.  I know two wrongs don't make a right, niether does one right make a wrong.

Ever hear about JUSTICE toasty?  Part of justice is you commit a crime and your punishment is comparable to others who commit the same or equivalent crimes.    That is the whole point here, one of these guys  at the very least is not getting justice. 

Why should the guy who (allegedly) penetrated and took control of 1000 times as many computers get less than 1/10 the sentence (likely to be served under minumum rather than maximum security) of the other guy?  Without a valid reason for it I don't see justice.

[knightstorm]

Which one of the two attacked a department of the United States Federal Government.

With 100,000 computers controlled and the attacks likely automated do you really think there were no U.S. Federal government computers taken over?  I'd say the odds were that at the very least he (allegedly) ATTACKED many of them whether he got in or not. 

Also remember he(allegedly)  took control of more than 1000 times as many computers.  Is that less a crime just because none of them were government?  He also (allegedly) conspired to use them for further attacks which heightens the crime. 

I don't see justice here.

Yes, I do think its likely that none of the compromised computers was government.  As for whether or not the computers are owned by the federal government makes the attack more serious, the answer is yes.

[toasty0]

Oh boo hoo. Just cause gets a break both should? Both should hjave their arse kicked.  I know two wrongs don't make a right, niether does one right make a wrong.

Ever hear about JUSTICE toasty?  Part of justice is you commit a crime and your punishment is comparable to others who commit the same or equivalent crimes.    That is the whole point here, one of these guys  at the very least is not getting justice. 

Why should the guy who (allegedly) penetrated and took control of 1000 times as many computers get less than 1/10 the sentence (likely to be served under minumum rather than maximum security) of the other guy?  Without a valid reason for it I don't see justice.

We agree Nem. The guy who got the easy sentence did not "get his justice".

[Nemesis]

We agree Nem. The guy who got the easy sentence did not "get his justice".

Then neither did any on this list.

The longest sentence being 108 months.  Some of them attacked military computers so where are their decades in jail?

The guy who wrote the Melissa virus got 20 months and was supposed to have done $80 million in damages.  (knightstorm It also affected U.S. government computers).  Where are his decades in jail?

Why should MacKinnon be singled out and threatened with decades of maximum security (or even be tried by a military court as has been threatened)?  By the precedents of all these other cases he is not being treated the same way and for there to be justice he should be treated comparably to others who were convicted of similar crimes. 

The precedent has been set that hacking computers leads to less than 10 years in jail at the most and I doubt very much they normally serve time in maximum security as they are not physically dangerous people.  Justice demands equal treatment and MacKinnon is at the very least being threatened with an unjust sentence as determined by the precedents set by the U.S. court system.

[toasty0]

We agree Nem. The guy who got the easy sentence did not "get his justice".

The guy who wrote the Melissa virus got 20 months and was supposed to have done $80 million in damages.  (knightstorm It also affected U.S. government computers).  Where are his decades in jail?

Why should MacKinnon be singled out and threatened with decades of maximum security (or even be tried by a military court as has been threatened)?  By the precedents of all these other cases he is not being treated the same way and for there to be justice he should be treated comparably to others who were convicted of similar crimes. 

Why do you keep asking the same question over and over? Everyone who has tried answer you have been dismissed.

Do you really care what anyone else thinks about this, or do you just want to make you point about the unfiarness of it all again?

[Fedman NCC-3758]

Why do you keep asking the same question over and over?

Because he forgot?

Just say Uncle.

[knightstorm]

We agree Nem. The guy who got the easy sentence did not "get his justice".

Then neither did any on this list.

The longest sentence being 108 months.  Some of them attacked military computers so where are their decades in jail?

The guy who wrote the Melissa virus got 20 months and was supposed to have done $80 million in damages.  (knightstorm It also affected U.S. government computers).  Where are his decades in jail?

Why should MacKinnon be singled out and threatened with decades of maximum security (or even be tried by a military court as has been threatened)?  By the precedents of all these other cases he is not being treated the same way and for there to be justice he should be treated comparably to others who were convicted of similar crimes. 

The precedent has been set that hacking computers leads to less than 10 years in jail at the most and I doubt very much they normally serve time in maximum security as they are not physically dangerous people.  Justice demands equal treatment and MacKinnon is at the very least being threatened with an unjust sentence as determined by the precedents set by the U.S. court system.

The cases you posted are the sentences handed out.  I doubt this guy will get the maximum sentence that they are seeking.  In fact the prosecutors are probably making these statements in an attempt to frighten him into taking a plea bargain so it doesn't have to go to trial.

[Nemesis]

Why do you keep asking the same question over and over? Everyone who has tried answer you have been dismissed.

Do you really care what anyone else thinks about this, or do you just want to make you point about the unfiarness of it all again?

When we discussed this before there were no other similar crimes put forward.  When I stumbled across the one then found more while looking for further info on it there were new information points relative to the discussion.  More information makes for a valid reconsidering of the discussion. 

If I had found other similar cases with similar sentening to what he is threatened with it would have changed my opinion, instead I found more evidence that he is being threatened with sentencing far out of proportion to what others who committed similar crimes faced.

The cases you posted are the sentences handed out.  I doubt this guy will get the maximum sentence that they are seeking.  In fact the prosecutors are probably making these statements in an attempt to frighten him into taking a plea bargain so it doesn't have to go to trial.

Except for one thing.  He admits he did it already, no plea bargain needed. 

The threats were originally to get him to not fight extradition but haven't been dropped now that they have won extradition.  If they had charged him In the U.K. as he wanted he could have been tried, convicted and jailed already likely with a sentence comparable to people jailed for similar crimes in the U.S. not the excessive one he is threatened with..

[toasty0]

Looses appeal

It alleges that between February 2001 and March 2002, he hacked into dozens of US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Department of Defense computers, as well as 16 Nasa computers.

Prosecutors say he altered and deleted files at a naval air station not long after the 11 September attacks in 2001, rendering critical systems inoperable.


So, it DOES look like he endangered millions of lives by his action. No sympathy here for this cry baby, Nem.