Topic: Need help cracking a castling Fed

[Pestalence_XC]

Shhhhh.. that is suppose to be our secrete.. I was trying to give hope to other players out there.. attempt the unlikely..

[marstone]

The other tactic is doing a close fly by to get on the back side of the F-BCF.. however you would only be able to do that once and would only last as long as it takes for the F-BCF to HET...

Now this might work by doing a higher speed to try and stay in the back arcs. The BCF can HET, but he can't do it many times.  But getting close to this ship can really hurt.

[Age]

The other tactic is doing a close fly by to get on the back side of the F-BCF.. however you would only be able to do that once and would only last as long as it takes for the F-BCF to HET...

Now this might work by doing a higher speed to try and stay in the back arcs. The BCF can HET, but he can't do it many times. But getting close to this ship can really hurt.

You mean getting close to a K-C7 I wouldn't think so as F-BCF as plasma don't forget.

[marstone]

The other tactic is doing a close fly by to get on the back side of the F-BCF.. however you would only be able to do that once and would only last as long as it takes for the F-BCF to HET...

Now this might work by doing a higher speed to try and stay in the back arcs. The BCF can HET, but he can't do it many times. But getting close to this ship can really hurt.

You mean getting close to a K-C7 I wouldn't think so as F-BCF as plasma don't forget.

I mean getting close to the F-BCF can really hurt.  The K-C7 would have to watch it.

[Pestalence_XC]

You have to time it.. Plasma takes 3 turns to recharge.. and 1 plas F will only scorch a shield.. what you have to watch for is OL'd torpedos and fully loaded phaser capacitor and possible SP.. if you can get the F-BCF to waste its firepower and you are willing to attempt to direct damage to one of your shields, then it is quite possible.. but it is all in timing the recharge rates of your opponents weapons.

[FPF-DieHard]

I just showed him how to do it.   It's hard to explain, just needs to be done.   I'll email anyone the film if they want.

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

Hard being on the other side of it... GG DH

[Age]

The only worse thing is a starcastling Hydran with overloaded hellbores and fighters in the bay.

[Beeblebrox]

Your best bet is to keep your speed high and stay out of close range.  Keep yourself around range 15--25 and stay on the other ship's rear.  Make raking attacks with disruptors only on the back three shields.  It'll take some time but you will eventually break through the back three.  Once that happens keep making high speed passes with disruptors and every once in a while switch off the disruptors.  Execute a maximum speed phaser-only strike on open or weakened shields from range 10 or so once out of every 3 attack runs. 

Above all, stay out of the enemy ship's photon torpedo firing arcs.  If he somehow manages to get on your tail use scatterpacks in combination with mines.  Drop the scatterpack, wait roughly 3 seconds and drop a mine.  If he drops a shield to t-bomb the scatterpack he still has to contend with an oncoming active mine.  If you're lucky the mine might even strike the open shield.

[toasty0]

In a recent PvP battle, a very good player flew a F-BCF against my K-C7. Pretty early on, the BCF starcastled, and I tried to break through the shield reinforcement with a disruptor and ph-1 alpha strike at R15 (hitting the front shield), then repeated a couple times. It didn't seem to be getting through any of the reinforcement. All the while, he picked at my shields with some proxies and phasers. Out of patience, I overloaded the disruptors and closed in when he was recharging. By the time I got through his front shield, the BCF's photons were charged and I was quickly crippled; the match ended quickly from there.

As a Klingon, what can you do against a Fed opponent who starcastles?

Sabre Dance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HocHammond told you so...


Go out to about range 21 and start dropping them drones and sabre your way in...you'll crack him like the nut he is.

[FPF-DieHard]

Were you having this issue in OP, or FC?

http://www.starfleetgames.com/federation/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1199&sid=7e9b510f18adc9172ae5518be17d75e4

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

Darnit, you found out!

I asked there before to see what some other strategies would be. Ideally, something that would work in FC and SFB should work in SFC, but that is never the case. The advice there seemed to be the same idea as here, though, which is encouraging.

[toasty0]

A really good Kilingon pilot could end a castling fed's career in less than 91 seconds. My best was 85 seconds, my worste time, well, it lagged into hours, but I still killed the milk drinking, latex wearing fool.

[Age]

That is 91 sec. a Fed could end castling Klingon in 9 sec..

[toasty0]

That is 91 sec. a Fed could end castling Klingon in 9 sec..

Of course she could, but a Klingon, a real Klingon, would never be so unwise as to castle.

[FPF-DieHard]

Darnit, you found out!

I asked there before to see what some other strategies would be. Ideally, something that would work in FC and SFB should work in SFC, but that is never the case. The advice there seemed to be the same idea as here, though, which is encouraging.

The strategies are close, but not a 100% translation.   Many SFB tactics require manipulating the turn-break and stuff like that which you just can't do in SFC as there is no turn break. 

Do you play FC?  The Board Game has way more players than we do,  pneumonic81 is all over those forums and he models Trek Starships for a living! 

[Roychipoqua_Mace]

Darnit, you found out!

I asked there before to see what some other strategies would be. Ideally, something that would work in FC and SFB should work in SFC, but that is never the case. The advice there seemed to be the same idea as here, though, which is encouraging.

The strategies are close, but not a 100% translation.   Many SFB tactics require manipulating the turn-break and stuff like that which you just can't do in SFC as there is no turn break. 

Do you play FC?  The Board Game has way more players than we do,  pneumonic81 is all over those forums and he models Trek Starships for a living! 

Yes, I saw some things requiring turn breaks that were odd, like choosing to fire plasmas at either the beginning or end of turns, to get them to charge faster.

Have you ever played? I haven't played FC or SFB but there's always some interesting stuff to read in the FC/SFB forums.

[FPF-DieHard]

Darnit, you found out!

I asked there before to see what some other strategies would be. Ideally, something that would work in FC and SFB should work in SFC, but that is never the case. The advice there seemed to be the same idea as here, though, which is encouraging.

The strategies are close, but not a 100% translation.   Many SFB tactics require manipulating the turn-break and stuff like that which you just can't do in SFC as there is no turn break. 

Do you play FC?  The Board Game has way more players than we do,  pneumonic81 is all over those forums and he models Trek Starships for a living! 

Yes, I saw some things requiring turn breaks that were odd, like choosing to fire plasmas at either the beginning or end of turns, to get them to charge faster.

Have you ever played? I haven't played FC or SFB but there's always some interesting stuff to read in the FC/SFB forums.

SFB but not FC.   FC is basically an quick and easy SFB but what's the point when OP is quicker and easier?   Even if I had a gaming group I'd rather do this on a LAN game as it just makes more sense.  The only stuff you can do in SFB that you can't do in SFC is crap that I'd never want to attempt in SFB anyway (real fleet battles with 10+ ships on a side with tons of attrition units).  i still but tons of SFB

What's funny is you'd never see a solo C7 versus a solo BCF in SFB anyway.   The BCH were built to be leading fleets into battle and though 4 dizrupters can't cut thru shield reinforcement at range 15, 40 disrupter would rip s ship to shreds at range 22.  I just don't think Star castling will be valid with 10 ships per side on the boards.