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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2008, 09:26:04 pm »
This is what u should aim for. This is the only way all the empires will build starbases and big ships properly.

Economic Ranks (0-5)
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Federation: 4.77273
Klingon: 5
Romulan: 4
Lyran: 4.77273
Hydran: 4.77273
Gorn: 4
ISC: 4
Mirak: 5
Orion cartel: 4
Korgath cartel: 3.77273
Prime cartel: 3.77273
TigerHeart cartel: 4
BeastRaiders cartel: 3.65909
Syndicate cartel: 3.77273
Wyldefire cartel: 3.65909
Camboro cartel: 4
Neutral: 4.54545

This is the econ u should shoot for:

Empire Economies
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          Federation:     4200
             Klingon:     4000
             Romulan:     4400
               Lyran:     4200
              Hydran:     4200
                Gorn:     4400
                 ISC:     4400
               Mirak:     4000
             Neutral:     4000
        Orion cartel:     4400
      Korgath cartel:     4200
        Prime cartel:     4200
   TigerHeart cartel:     4400
 BeastRaiders cartel:     4100
    Syndicate cartel:     4200
    Wyldefire cartel:     4100
      Camboro cartel:     4400

Max econ (for rank comparison): 4400
Ave econ (for shipyard costs):  4223

EDIT: anything with a rank below 4.0 will not be able to build Starbases and large ships like BB's and DN's and BC's become scarce.
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2008, 09:33:24 pm »
I bet if u cut the Econ values in half, u could cut the corresponding gf numbers in half and have to seed less hexes with econ. That'd be good. However, if using values above 100 is stable, in the past it has caused problems, then that is a non issue.
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2008, 10:10:48 pm »
Cheese & Rice All... Pesty put up a "hardcore" server....  everyone's ravin about how great it is, but you're all pissin & moanin 'bout it at the same time.....  prima donna's dont even come close to describing ya'all !!! ...  there's no challenging servers, there's no challenging campaigns.. blah, blah, blah !!!     Anytime i see any of Nuclearwessels masterpieces come out, i try to add them to my servers.... the more difficult, the better... even added his 2005 gems to his new jewels, just so all of his treasures are in to enjoy...  if  they're too hard for most, sorry... learn to fly better, if you can beat his scripts with my difficult A.I. setting, you be da man!! .....  if not, shut the hell up, practice, learn, and come back 'till you do !!!   My servers have lots of "cheesefest" ships, but... log on & see if you can beat the "cheesefest" A.I' s there.... my servers been around a while, and it seems to accomidate the rookies as well as the vets, it chooses its ships accordingly... (gads, i hope so)... to whatever the D2 engine sees fit to assign.  So, ya'all wanted a challenge, Pesty gave it to ya, now , ya'all complain about how hard it is,. what HE needs to to to fix it, ect,ect,ect... there's servers up, ya'all wanna fly, or carp ???
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2008, 10:18:44 pm »
Problem Strayy is that DH and I have been doing servers since before 2002. I've been doing them since Articfires and yet people who are NEW to the story don't want to take our word for it. Fine. Learn for yourself and repeat the mistakes of the past. My time is more valuable, tho, and with most of the server admins and scripters on the same page as me and DH, I don;t doubt they are willing to waste their time either with little informed inexperienced player ideas...
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2008, 10:21:05 pm »
Quote from: Dizzy on July 23, 2008, 10:18:44 pm
Problem Strayy is that DH and I have been doing servers since before 2002. I've been doing them since Articfires and yet people who are NEW to the story don't want to take our word for it. Fine. Learn for yourself and repeat the mistakes of the past. My time is more valuable, tho, and with most of the server admins and scripters on the same page as me and DH, I don;t doubt they are willing to waste their time either with little informed inexperienced player ideas...
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2008, 10:49:00 pm »
Quote from: Dizzy on July 23, 2008, 10:18:44 pm
Problem Strayy is that DH and I have been doing servers since before 2002. I've been doing them since Articfires and yet people who are NEW to the story don't want to take our word for it. Fine. Learn for yourself and repeat the mistakes of the past. My time is more valuable, tho, and with most of the server admins and scripters on the same page as me and DH, I don;t doubt they are willing to waste their time either with little informed inexperienced player ideas...


ahhhh articfires.  canadawest.  my how time passes so quickly.  i just wish we had the numbers back then, now. 
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2008, 03:21:08 am »
Now that we have updated scripts, again.. the installer is updated..

To uninstall the old installer.. go into your OP directory and find the HC_Uninstall.exe and run it.. and then you can DL and run the new installer..

http://warpcore.110mb.com/Downloads/Hardcore_Installer.zip



Alternatively, you can just install the new scripts over the top of the old ones..

http://warpcore.110mb.com/Downloads/HC_Scripts.zip
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2008, 05:00:37 am »
Dizzy.. I have updated the map.. all that was changed was the map..

Empire Economies
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          Federation:     4400
             Klingon:     4400
             Romulan:     4400
               Lyran:     4400
              Hydran:     4400
                Gorn:     4400
                 ISC:     4400
               Mirak:     4400
             Neutral:     4400
        Orion cartel:     4400
      Korgath cartel:     4400
        Prime cartel:     4400
   TigerHeart cartel:     4400
 BeastRaiders cartel:     4400
    Syndicate cartel:     4400
    Wyldefire cartel:     4400
      Camboro cartel:     4400

Max econ (for rank comparison): 4400
Ave econ (for shipyard costs):  4400

Economic Ranks (0-5)
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Federation: 5
Klingon: 5
Romulan: 4
Lyran: 5
Hydran: 5
Gorn: 4
ISC: 4
Mirak: 5
Orion cartel: 4
Korgath cartel: 4
Prime cartel: 4
TigerHeart cartel: 4
BeastRaiders cartel: 4
Syndicate cartel: 4
Wyldefire cartel: 4
Camboro cartel: 4
Neutral: 5

I guess this should work


For everyone else.. You need the new scripts.. the links above will get you the new scripts..

Due to changes in the Campaign map. I had to reset the server DB..

Hope that this helps.
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2008, 06:50:20 am »
I got a couple of new variations in the scripts..

1) Encountered a Orion in an asteroid field.. Orions stated they were clear to be in that area.. I moved in with High Scan on.. upon approaching the Orion, I get orders to put marines on board their ship for a search by force if necessary.. so I set weapons to Capture Mode, breach the rear shield, and all of a sudden it starts firing on me and since it was a OVS.. 3 groups of fighters come out, except that they don't attack me, they go taco bell.. I guess they are used as escape pods.. I am then told to not let the ship escape.. So i captured it.. but it did it's best to run like crazy..

2) Enemy supply depot, located in a nebula.. You have to kill the Shipyard and then blow up the boxes.. the star yard would have been much tougher in normal space and not in the Neb..


Also had a couple of good mission runs with Deadman 6.. GGs Deadman.

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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2008, 11:10:07 am »
Quote from: Cptn_Pestalence_XC on July 24, 2008, 05:00:37 am
Max econ (for rank comparison): 4400
Ave econ (for shipyard costs):  4400

Economic Ranks (0-5)
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Federation: 5
Klingon: 5
Romulan: 4
Lyran: 5
Hydran: 5
Gorn: 4
ISC: 4
Mirak: 5
Orion cartel: 4
Korgath cartel: 4
Prime cartel: 4
TigerHeart cartel: 4
BeastRaiders cartel: 4
Syndicate cartel: 4
Wyldefire cartel: 4
Camboro cartel: 4
Neutral: 5

I guess this should work

dONT GUESS. oops caps. There's a reason some races are higher rank than others. There's an added rank to non-plasma races. Here's the notes outta ED's setup:

The economic rankings are much different however: 4 for the plasma races and cartels, 5 for everyone else.

This means the bases that are constructed are likely to be starbases, and the big ships are likely to be battleships or dreadnoughts (dreadnoughts in reality, since the empire budgets cannot yet afford a battleship).

So your plasma races need to have higher econ so that when they are subtracted 1, they still rank 4 or higher. Everyone needs to be 4.0-5 ideally. Redo ur map and DB.
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2008, 01:39:02 pm »
Quote from: Dizzy on July 24, 2008, 11:10:07 am

The economic rankings are much different however: 4 for the plasma races and cartels, 5 for everyone else.


Um.. isn't this what I have already?

Federation: 5

Klingon: 5

Romulan: 4

Lyran: 5

Hydran: 5

Gorn: 4

ISC: 4

Mirak: 5

Orion cartel: 4

Korgath cartel: 4

Prime cartel: 4

TigerHeart cartel: 4

BeastRaiders cartel: 4

Syndicate cartel: 4

Wyldefire cartel: 4

Camboro cartel: 4

Neutral: 5

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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2008, 02:40:32 pm »
Oops, ya, ur good. Ok, let's use as few hexes as possible for econ. I dont reccomend using a DV larger than 100, tho, but seems u have used econ values in excess of that. So try using 1 hex with 4400 econ for each empire and see if the yards and DB operate properly. That will gfreatly simplify map design.
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2008, 03:35:28 pm »
True.. currently I have it set to where each race, except Orion NPC, has 11 hexes, each at 400 Economy with a DV of 15..

The Orion has their own hexes set at 200 DV each (each hex calculates for Orions 2 times) .. a neutral hex with 200 economy will be 400 economy for Orions NCP because it calculates both Orion layer and Empire layer separately.. I was testing this last night when revamping the campaign map.

I did get it to balance out and set the Orion Economy hexes to a DV of 95.. basically off limits areas which is to either side of the main PVP target area...

I will see later on tonight or tomorrow if the server will work with an econ of 4400 for each race / cartel in one hex only.. this would be good for those attempting to enter into enemy space without breaking the economy settings..

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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2008, 03:54:57 pm »
well, yeah, u want the econ in high DV off limits places so players cant break the shipyards...
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2008, 07:53:41 pm »
Now that we have updated scripts, again.. the installer is updated..

To uninstall the old installer.. go into your OP directory and find the HC_Uninstall.exe and run it.. and then you can DL and run the new installer..

http://warpcore.110mb.com/Downloads/Hardcore_Installer.zip



Alternatively, you can just install the new scripts over the top of the old ones..

http://warpcore.110mb.com/Downloads/HC_Scripts.zip

Server has already been updated with the new scripts.
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2008, 12:24:18 pm »
*sigh*
Ran the uninstaller, then downloaded the new one, when I clicked the run tab, it tells me "the compressed(zip) file is invalid or corrupted.
Then tried deleting all the old stuff completely, downloaded again, got same message.  :huh:
Only on the installer link, the scripts did just fine...

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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2008, 12:29:05 pm »
I'll re-upload the installer.. sorry for the inconvience

Give me 10 min and you should be able to Download it again.

Edit : file has been re-uploaded.. you can try again now.
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2008, 12:38:32 pm »
Quote from: Cptn_Pestalence_XC on July 27, 2008, 12:29:05 pm
I'll re-upload the installer.. sorry for the inconvience

Give me 10 min and you should be able to Download it again.

Edit : file has been re-uploaded.. you can try again now.


Hmm, well, maybe it's me...
still getting same message...
*sigh*
Guess I'll mow the yard...and try again later.
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2008, 12:43:50 pm »
Try DLing it with the AV turned off.. it may be getting corrupted in the active scan..

You can scan the file if you like after it is extracted from the zip file.

I bet that is what the problem is
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Re: Hardcore Mini Map Campaign
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2008, 07:11:31 pm »
Quote from: Cptn_Pestalence_XC on July 27, 2008, 12:43:50 pm
Try DLing it with the AV turned off.. it may be getting corrupted in the active scan..

You can scan the file if you like after it is extracted from the zip file.

I bet that is what the problem is


Yeah, that did it...I keep forgetting about that.
It's hell getting old... ::)
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