Topic: The Kitties are no more??

[F9th0mega]

You seemed to be able to get twelve patrols in a row in base hexes and be able to capture supply points with out much fuss.

At least we did not move in and log off and on if we didn't, as was observed of some Kitties one day. 
Perhaps it will be shared how we did it, but, as I posted in our forums, we did not break the rules.
What real organized teamwork will accomplish is amazing sometimes. 

Talking about me? I logged off in hexes with NO missions thanks, GG though. I know the rules, I follow them, not break them. I was testing something, that proved to be very repeatable actually.

There ARE ways to get patrols in base hexes, really fricking easy ones, and not losing a DV shift on warping out is utter crap. Oh well, Here we come again, Long live the king.

[KBFKaz]

I tried to ruffle some feathers to get people back on to play and it would seem that it didn't work.

Its hard to get balanced servers when the "community" that plays is only about 15-20 people.
Even then not all show up or log in for a few missions and then don't come back.

Some people want just pvp servers others like a more strategic game. I believe that until we get
more players playing the campains these problems are gonna keep happening every server. It seems
that more people leave this game because of the drama that surrounds it than the game itself.

As for the DN rule. I think it hurt pvp more than helped it. When you don't have anything to compete with
that fed DNL (which came out 2 yrs before any other "L" refits) you pretty well will be running. A C5K just
doesn't have the mustard. So, why engage knowing that you might just be able to hold them in mission for a bit but
its gonna cost you 5VC to do so. Better to just avoid it altogether and not have any VC's taken period. When one
is in DNL most of the time, your not gonna get too many takers for pvp, especially in early era and with a disengagement
rule that awards VC's. I think the 1st round scoring for pvp says it all.

If some pilots think fighting the AI is "gay", well thats just a fact of the game and has to be done from a hex-flipping
aspect and from time-to-time a pvp one. As long as hexes are worth VC's you will need hex-munchers. By having just a pvp
server, you alienate one whole side of the game and then the 15-20 players we have left turn into 5-10. What can you really say though? With such small numbers, it will usually be the most consistant players that make a difference and they did form both
a pvp and hex-flipping point of view. You can change the rules and the game as much as you want, but in the end, until there are
more players to make the pvp-ers happy and spread out the workload for hex-munchers, I can't see these problems going away
in the future.

I would apologize if my opening post on this thread seemed a bit cocky. I was hoping to get alliance players to come on
with some friendly vengeance in their hearts. It backfired miserably. I would also send congrats to the Alliance members
for a good campain up to this point and to Corbomite who has shown honor and integrity that any pilot should be envious of.
I would also thank Pesty for the work on the server and for running the campain when it looked like it would fold before it even started.

GG to everyone and thanks to all involved.   

[FPF-Paladin]

What the...? 

[KBF-Crim]

What the...? 

I dunno...

*scratches head*

Goofy bastards if you ask me...

[Pestalence_XC]

Alliance check SFC2.net for current orders..

I'm not giving up.. I may not have an abundance of time on my hands, however I will put in all my free time to try to make a comeback.. Any Alliance help would be much appreciated.

[Lieutenant_Q]

You know, I've sat back and read this thread, and a few others, and I feel that I have something that really needs to be said.  Please don't take it as anything more than some constructive criticism that it is.

As someone who's only flown three campaigns, I have to say that I am a noob when it comes to these servers.  But I have absolutely no intention of logging onto ATOK4.  Why?

The player base.

Not that its bad that its small, or that I know that I'll get my head handed to me every time I go out.  But simply the way that it behaves.  My first campaign was Evil Dave's Pirate Campaign and it was a blast.  It was good that that was the first one, because had it been the other two that I've been in, I would have probably just said screw all of you and stuck to single player OP.

You all may know each other enough to know that it is all in jest, and for most of you, I do believe it is in jest as well.  But here's the crux of the problem.  To expand the game at all for SFC4, we have to bring in new blood.  And if the new blood gets anywhere near the treatment I got from a few, they'll just move on to another game.  I certainly wasn't expecting anyone to hold my hand through a few PvP missions (Thank you to those that did!), but I was expecting some decency and decorum.  There are people here who give it and more, but there are other people who wont give the time of day (which is fine, not everyone is sociable), or worse (This is not fine).

There's a certain amount of rivalry in all of these games, chest thumping and bragging is all a part of the game, and its expected.  With a smaller player base there is less room for the arrogant arses.  In a larger player base those players can be ignored because there are others to turn to.  But if we have a base of 30 - 40, it is important to every player to put forward a good face.

Perception is everything, especially for new players, give them a good first impression, they'll play for a while.  Give them a bad first impression, and they'll look for the next new game.  I'm sure the problem with this is perception on my part, but understand that new players will have the same perception.  The same first impression, and we will want it to be a good one, otherwise SFC4 will be nothing more than the couple hundred or so of us still here.

Thank you for the soap box, you can go back to your game now.

[FPF-Paladin]

Alliance check SFC2.net for current orders..

I'm not giving up.. I may not have an abundance of time on my hands, however I will put in all my free time to try to make a comeback.. Any Alliance help would be much appreciated.

I'm with you Pestalence.

[Braxton_RIP]

This thread is done.  Furthermore, if a new one pops up to continue the arguing in here, expect stern measures.

Treat each other with some humility and respect or keep your mouths shut.

This is a game, meant to be enjoyed.  Every time I see a thread like this, it sucks just a little bit more of the life out of me.