Topic: DH, WTF is going on...?

[Lepton]

It's there.  I'm on it.  Crisis averted.  Thanks for all your efforts, DH and Pesty.  I don't necessarily approve of Krueg's approach here, but to some degree those of us that showed up at launch were despairing at seeing the server going forward at all.

[KBF MalaK]

Nice, Finally get all setup on a new compy, go to test the server with my new install and you 'cancel' it ??

Nice, is all I can say.

Forget you Not so nice person.   This entitlement attitude that some people have make me want to beat them to death with a shovel.   May your children defecate on your wife's favorite towels.

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I'm sorry you had a bad night, and I'm also sorry that the community doesn't appreciate you to the level you think you deserve, but I'm sure the community appreciates YOUR

Server's canceled, too much much of a headache to go through for 4 people to show up.   Sorry, maybe if the community give a damn I might.

attitude as well.

And I WAS being nice with my previous post.

Grow up, will you.

[Nemesis]

DieHard please don't forget that not everyone is skilled at posting diplomatically and not everyone understands the time, effort and creativity that goes into hosting a server (not to mention the expense).  Some think that running a server or a message forum takes no more effort than running other programs, like a browser or office software.  You and I know just how wrong they are.

Then there are those of us who do understand and appreciate it.  I myself before the internet took off ran a BBS and saw a lot of people who had no clue criticizing myself and other system operators and asking the impossible (or extremely expensive).  I appreciate your efforts and have taken care not to "jostle your elbow".  Others do as well. 

Please don't let the undiplomatic and uncomprehending discourage you with their messages.

[Pestalence_XC]

OK.. let's settle down..

I have AOTK4 up and running on Warp Core and everyone is welcome to get on board.. All I ask is that someone take over scoring and the RM's do their job since I can mostly just run the server since I have it in flatfile mode currently.

I will get with Frey tonight and see if we can get SQL up on Freeja since Thor is down and then find a good time to transfer it.. however for the time being.. next day or so.. I will have it on Warp Core continously.. Sever kit is running on Vista 64 bit.. and should be very stable with my hardware config.

Just follow the current posted rules from DieHard.. that is all I ask.. No forfeiting and no Alt-F4 please to maintain database stability.

[KBF-Kurok]

ok ran a mission and drafted another player in it things went smoothly the dv dropped by 1 as it should on this server  and we got a fair amount of pp for the mission so far it looks good. TY all for all you  hard work and time spent on this.

[Nemesis]

I'm sorry you had a bad night, and I'm also sorry that the community doesn't appreciate you to the level you think you deserve, but I'm sure the community appreciates YOUR

Server's canceled, too much much of a headache to go through for 4 people to show up.   Sorry, maybe if the community give a damn I might.

attitude as well.

And I WAS being nice with my previous post.

Grow up, will you.

Actually you were not being nice.  You were complaining because you were not getting something for nothing as you expected.

Could DieHard have been more diplomatic?  Yes.  In his defense he has far more reason to be frustrated and annoyed than you do as he woke up to find problems and a list of complaints.

Do you have any personal experience running a server or message forum?  Have you ever put out that amount of effort freely for the pleasure of others KNOWING that you would be hearing lots of complaints from a loud minority and little in the way of compliment or aid from those who do appreciate your efforts?  If not then you don't know just how frustrating that it can be to come back to what you thought would be a smoothly running system only to have to deal with "issues" and complaints. 

I for one do know and I appreciate DieHards efforts.  I can only hope that he will not give them up because of your complaints.

[KBF-Crim]

Doing a bathroom remodel..have the bro in law laying tile now...be on as soon as I can...

[KBFLordKrueg]

We care DH.. I'm offering it to be hosted on my system.. "Warp Core"  I just shot you a PM.

I've given the Serverkit to Pesty to do with as he wishes.  I'm washing my hands of this.

Unfortunate and disappointing, DH.
I'm sorry if I didn't realize you'd be unavailable all evening, that wasn't the impression you gave me on TS and I apologize for seeming crisp with my post.
Several, including myself waited hours for some word on the Status of the server, I even tried contacting some XC admins to look at Thor, unaware it was having hardware issues, and that also stirred up things unwittingly.
I do have an idea of the work involved in these things, and I'm not insensitive to RL things that may take precedence over them.
*sigh*
I hope we still see you around, you are a valuable member of this community.

[KBF-Crim]

Still working...

Lets all get along ...here...

and blast each other on the server...

be on as soon as I can... 

[KBF MalaK]

I'm sorry you had a bad night, and I'm also sorry that the community doesn't appreciate you to the level you think you deserve, but I'm sure the community appreciates YOUR

Server's canceled, too much much of a headache to go through for 4 people to show up.   Sorry, maybe if the community give a damn I might.

attitude as well.

And I WAS being nice with my previous post.

Grow up, will you.

Actually you were not being nice.  You were complaining because you were not getting something for nothing as you expected.

Could DieHard have been more diplomatic?  Yes.  In his defense he has far more reason to be frustrated and annoyed than you do as he woke up to find problems and a list of complaints.

Do you have any personal experience running a server or message forum?  Have you ever put out that amount of effort freely for the pleasure of others KNOWING that you would be hearing lots of complaints from a loud minority and little in the way of compliment or aid from those who do appreciate your efforts?  If not then you don't know just how frustrating that it can be to come back to what you thought would be a smoothly running system only to have to deal with "issues" and complaints. 

I for one do know and I appreciate DieHards efforts.  I can only hope that he will not give them up because of your complaints.

OK, Sorry if I appeared to be 'not nice', I won't expect anything from DH anymore- free or not.

NO I've never ran a server or a bbs (bigger than 10 members).

Again, sorry for being rude as I only expected what was promised (and have been waiting months like everyone else),

You needn't worry about me- you won't be bothered with me anymore.

[FPF-DieHard]

Oh everyone just calm, down, we're not women and don't need to get n touch with our feelings or any of that crap.   People overreact or read things the wrong way, especially on internet message boards (I behave the same way in real live, explains how I'm not married). 

[Nemesis]

OK, Sorry if I appeared to be 'not nice', I won't expect anything from DH anymore- free or not.

NO I've never ran a server or a bbs (bigger than 10 members).

Again, sorry for being rude as I only expected what was promised (and have been waiting months like everyone else),

You needn't worry about me- you won't be bothered with me anymore.

You have to understand that the Server (or System) Operator cannot be there constantly and things WILL go wrong.  They don't have a staff there at all times to handle issues.  The Operator does it all on the time he can spare from his own life.  For a server Operator that can mean that for YOU and I to play means he can't as he is handling those "issues" that come up and responding to complaints.  It also means that when the Operator gets a chance to check things they can have a day or more of problems and complaints and escalating tempers to deal with all at the same time and with only a limited time to do it.  That gets frustrating and difficult and not everyone handles the pressure well.

Consider.  If YOU were disappointed merely because you expected to be able to play at a given time, how much MORE was Diehard disappointed to find his hard work not operating and the complaints piling up?

Even when things go wrong the Server Operators deserve thanks for their efforts and praise for even trying.  Not complaints.  Point out flaws and issues to them yes, but be nice and don't forget the thank yous for the efforts they make.

[[KBF]MuadDib]

its up...playable...have fun...save the rest...

thanks DH and Pesty!!!

im with you DH...with the SFC4 announcement i would have thought there'd be a better turnout...but what can you do...it is what it is...

those of us that play and are reallying looking forward to this "serious" server totally appreciate the effort...the disappointing and harsh remarks are evidence of this...may i suggest next time we have a longer "test run"...we might have averted this situation...

i really favor having 2 people...like DH and Pesty...or Pesty and Braxton...SFHQ and DH...for admins on any given server...that way when situations like yesterday arise they can hopefully...between the 2...resolve the situation in a timely manner...

there were a few people who showed up yesterday with problems other than having no server to play on...who said they would try again tomorrow...one of them i have not seen in a long time...so no server would have been bad IMO...glad this was resolved...

[Dfly]

DH,. your hard work is truly appreciated. the fact that  you only saw 4 on your sever is in account that most could not get there.  I am totally pissed that your beta version has corrupted my game and I am not able to even load it anymore.  I am however gratefull that you have tried to fill a void. thx.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

It didn't corrupt my game. No issues here. How can it be his installer if it didn't screw up the masses?

[Pestalence_XC]

Uninstall of the AOTK4 Beta installer will remove your Shiplist, frtlist and Model.siz files and the ED scripts and the NW scripts.. You will probably have to manually restore them..

I am about to put up a complete installer that will install and uninstall correctly that will keep your game in original condition after uninstall.

[[KBF]MuadDib]

DH,. your hard work is truly appreciated. the fact that  you only saw 4 on your sever is in account that most could not get there.  I am totally pissed that your beta version has corrupted my game and I am not able to even load it anymore.  I am however gratefull that you have tried to fill a void. thx.

if ur like me and have the game files not on C drive...with DHs installers you just need to copy from C to whatever drive you have the game on...been this way for awhile...mentioned this a few times...

but thanks to pesty this has been resolved...

[Nemesis]

if ur like me and have the game files not on C drive...with DHs installers you just need to copy from C to whatever drive you have the game on...been this way for awhile...mentioned this a few times...

Same here.  I have a partition just for games but the installer defaulted to the C:. Even after I used the option to redirect it still put them on C: so I manually moved them.

[Pestalence_XC]

The new installer detects install based on system registry as well as restores game to original (OP + v4.0) upon uninstall.

[NuclearWessels]

Oh everyone just calm, down, we're not women and don't need to get n touch with our feelings or any of that crap.   People overreact or read things the wrong way, especially on internet message boards (I behave the same way in real live, explains how I'm not married). 

Which reminds me, Troi still  gets my vote for most obnoxious Star Trek character ever.  (And beating Wesley is no small feat.   Wait ... beating Wesley would make her less obnoxious...)

dave