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« on: March 15, 2008, 03:50:57 pm »
A year after Menu Foods scandal, pet food off the radar of regulators




Fri Mar 14, 8:20 PM

By David Friend, The Canadian Press
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TORONTO - A year after the tainted pet food scandal at Menu Foods (TSX:MEW.UN) rattled animal lovers and sent the company's stock into a freefall, the pet food industry has slipped off the radar of Canadian regulators and other agencies.

Saturday marks a full-year since dog and cat owners were sent into a panic over the possibility that food they were giving their pets could be tainted by wheat gluten laced with poisonous melamine.

The chemical used for making plastics was added by a China-based supplier as a cheap way to make the food look like it had higher protein levels, but it was also killing some pets that consumed it.

Since then, little has been done in Canada to ensure that pet food is any safer, aside from continuing to rely on companies to self-regulate and monitor their international suppliers.

After the recalls started last year, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency began a review of its responsibilities to pet food and, according to their website, "determine if room for improvement exists within the Canadian system."

On Friday, it appeared as though nothing had changed.

"We don't have a regulatory role - that's the bottom line," said Marc Richard at the CFIA's headquarters in an interview.

"We're the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. We deal with food - and food is for humans."

Richard added that the agency has a "very minor role" related to pet food through its handling of traditional disease control, which means ensuring that livestock doesn't transfer avian influenza or mad cow disease.

Pet food regulations fall under three federal levels - the CFIA for disease control, Industry Canada for packaging and Health Canada's Veterinary Drugs Directorate for therapeutic food claims.

None of the departments seem to handle poisons or other contaminants that could get into food, which has made it especially difficult for pet advocates to lobby for changes.

Cathy Sterling euthanized her eight-year-old Australian Sheppard last March when the dog became ill, only a week before Menu Foods issued the recall and warning.

Since then, she has collected between 2,500 and 3,000 signatures from pet owners in an effort to convince the government to pay more attention to pet food.

"Pets today have taken on new levels of care in people's hearts and I think the legislation hasn't kept up with that aspect," said Sterling.

"We've recognized there's a problem... and we need a change."

Last fall, Health Minister Tony Clement outlined an action plan for the food and product regulatory system that encouraged greater prevention rather than responding to cases once they are detected.

The plan covers recalled products like children's toys, cosmetics, pesticides and sports equipment, but doesn't mention pet food.

Sterling said it's her goal to get pet food on that list, though she's facing an uphill battle.

"I did feel that it slowly faded from the public's consciousness," she said. "I think Menu Foods is getting exactly their wish, that it's all just going away."

The company beared the brunt of consumer backlash last year partly because it was North America's biggest supplier of pet food, selling one-billion containers in 2006 through store-brand labels and under contract for international names such as Iams.

Menu Foods has said it faces more than 100 class-action lawsuits.

Last month, many of the lawsuits filed in the U.S. were consolidated into one class-action suit because a judicial panel determined that they involved the same questions of fact.

Both sides of the case have said they are near a settlement, and a district judge has asked for a report this Wednesday.

Menu Foods declined repeated interview requests for this story. A company official said executives would not be available to speak because the "focus right now is on the legal settlement."

In the United States, the FDA has indicted both American and Chinese business owners over a scheme to import the melamine-contaminated wheat gluten into the country.

But while congressional hearings and proposed food safety legislation have come to fruition, the FDA still doesn't have any mandatory authority over recalling pet food.

Some suggest that the industry is already doing enough to regulate itself.

"Regulation would not have changed the recall situation that Menu Foods recently experienced in any way shape or form," said Martha Wilder, executive director of the Pet Food Association of Canada in an interview last year.

"Case in point (are) that the two plants in the U.S. that were found to be involved in the recall are regulated and it didn't do anything to stop this from happening."

Wilder was unavailable to provide further comment on Friday.

In Canada, industry organizations have also been backing off of pet food manufacturers.

Last year, the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association wound up a longtime committee that monitored pet food nutrition standards around the same time the tainted food investigation was underway.

"After the recall happened people with our association met with government and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency was taking lead on the follow-up of the recall," said Kristin Wood, a spokeswoman for the veterinary association.

"The regulation of pet food is not really in our mandate anymore."

in other word they don't care

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Re: Pet Food
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2008, 07:21:54 pm »
..you can always feed them table scraps..
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Re: Pet Food
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2008, 10:00:33 am »
left over, sure if you have enough for everyday.

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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2008, 10:21:22 am »
There's a great show on TV called "Good Dog!".  I watch it whenever I see it on even though I do not have a dog.

There was one episode where he outlined an excellent diet of "homemade" dogfood. I forget why this particular dog needed it, but it looked very economical and very healthy for the dog. More work than just buying a bag of kibble but then isn't your best friend worth it?

What's that guy's name? Stanley.... ummm let me look it up.

Stanley Coren  - that's him. I have a lot of respect for this guy. I can relate to him, as very few people open themselves to communication from animals, and it always amazes me when people cannot "hear" what their pets are saying. It is a matter of awareness. (No I'm not Dr. Doolittle, but I think you get the point...)

Here's his website: http://www.stanleycoren.com/ (OK, so he's not a web designer... ack my eyes!)

I seem to recall my late grandmother making a very similar feed for her dogs, as Stanley suggested that episode, it usually consisted mostly of rice, some puffed wheat for filler, meat scraps and the odd bit of greens. Her dogs were healthy and beautiful. (And she was really cheap) It seems to me she did this because it was cheaper than kibble, which she also fed them in lesser quantities.

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Re: Pet Food
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2008, 11:40:48 am »
..you can always feed them table scraps..

Don't feed your dog table scraps.  The growth hormones in it aren't good for him.
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Re: Pet Food
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 12:31:30 pm »
..you can always feed them table scraps..

Don't feed your dog table scraps.  The growth hormones in it aren't good for him.

well the dog will grow and get bigger :)


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Re: Pet Food
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 12:36:20 pm »
..you can always feed them table scraps..

Don't feed your dog table scraps.  The growth hormones in it aren't good for him.

Not only that, Peanut oils, products, Possible Onions, Apples and the like will poison your dog over time.

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Re: Pet Food
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2008, 03:40:07 pm »
..you can always feed them table scraps..


Don't feed your dog table scraps.  The growth hormones in it aren't good for him.


Sheesh, never occurred to me. There's a case of what worked in Grandma's day doesn't necessarily work now.

For the amount of actual meat required you could go organic or wild.

Not only that, Peanut oils, products, Possible Onions, Apples and the like will poison your dog over time.


I understand that chocolate is one of the worst. Theobromine (a relative of caffeine) is the culprit as I recall, it can be quite toxic to dogs.

So be sure never to give your dog chocolate, or leave it somewhere they can get into it, they don't know any better and will eat it. I always tell dog owners that. It would be so heartbreaking to unknowingly poison your own dog.

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Re: Pet Food
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2008, 07:18:34 pm »
Thanks Bonk, I can't believe I forgot Chocolate. Yeah never feed them that either.

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Re: Pet Food
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2008, 08:42:01 pm »
Don't feed your dog table scraps.  The growth hormones in it aren't good for him.

How good are they for us?
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Re: Pet Food
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2008, 01:40:39 am »
Thanks Bonk, I can't believe I forgot Chocolate. Yeah never feed them that either.

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I have wondered what the toxicity level is for Chocolate, I know my dogs have eaten alot of it (once a whole can of hot cocoa mix), they have never once gotten sick from it.  (not that I feed it to them, but with kids things get left on the table and our Boxer can reach anything not in a cupboard)
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2008, 01:41:22 am »
..you can always feed them table scraps..

Don't feed your dog table scraps.  The growth hormones in it aren't good for him.

Yeah, and they probably are not that great for us either.
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2008, 06:37:38 am »
Thanks Bonk, I can't believe I forgot Chocolate. Yeah never feed them that either.

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I have wondered what the toxicity level is for Chocolate, I know my dogs have eaten alot of it (once a whole can of hot cocoa mix), they have never once gotten sick from it.  (not that I feed it to them, but with kids things get left on the table and our Boxer can reach anything not in a cupboard)

It's based on the size & weight of the dog, and the type of chocolate.  Dark & semi-sweet cooking chocolate is like arsenic to them, while they'll have a higher tolerance for milk chocolate.
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2008, 07:49:57 am »
Exactly, "chocolate" can have anywhere from 0 to 80% cocoa. And like many naturally produced alkaloids, the amount of theobromine in any one strain or crop can vary. ;)

Ever notice how some packaging uses the labelling "Chocolatey coating". There is a reason for that, because if it has no cocoa they cannot call it chocolate.

Hot chocolate powder is probably not a great threat as usually it is mostly milk powder and sugar, cocoa usually coming third and typically in a 250g can. The danger zones for real chocolate according to the wikipedia page are 50g (small dogs) to 400g (large dogs). (1lb = 454g). So it is unlikely that a dog could get sick from hot chocolate unless you have a huge can or if it has a larger percentage of cocoa than normal.

The thing is you can never be exactly sure how much cocoa there is in "chocolate", and the theobromine kick can vary depending on the the cocoa. Thus, in my view it is probably best to treat all "chocolate" as dangerous to your dog, whether it is real chocolate or not. and regardless of the form... cake, ice cream... any of it.

EDIT: Actually: "Theobromine is especially toxic to horses, dogs, parrots, voles, and cats..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine_poisoning
So no chocolate for horses or kitties either!

Hmm, I wonder how similar the structure is to melamine...
well looky here both nitrogen heterocycles...(no surprise really)
theobromine:
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and melamine:
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(excellent use of SVG files on wikipedia there... quoted here to get them on a light background... do they render in IE?)

I bet the metabolites of one resemble the other... though just by looking at the two I'd say that melamine would be a much more aggressive toxin.

Here's a handy page on the subject:
http://www.avma.org/careforanimals/animatedjourneys/livingwithpets/poisoninfo.asp

Hmm, I wonder what my chances of admission to veterinary college as a mature student would be? I think I should investigate.
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2008, 06:01:35 pm »
(excellent use of SVG files on wikipedia there... quoted here to get them on a light background... do they render in IE?)

I don't log in from work but do check the site and they have IE 5.x which renders those images properly.
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