Topic: Old Frigate (Read 23031 times)

Don Karnage · « **on:** January 31, 2008, 07:41:14 am »

I got a old frigate (tos era) and i was wondering if anyone have remake it or would be interested to remake it?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:14:47 am »

That looks like that might be Lansings Burke, located here:

http://sfc.strategyplanet.gamespy.com/omega/fleetdock13/newships.htm

I just did a quick search and Atra had one up, but the download isn't working..

If noone else has one, I'll see what I might be able to do. My big issue lately has been time though.. :p

Don Karnage · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:50:39 am »

i got it from fleetdock 13, i was wondering if anyone have remake it, i will check atra's site but i don't remember him making a new one, if he did i should have it, or not

thanks anyway

Vipre · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:58:41 am »

There's a burke remake in the opplus pack but it's a departure on that exact look.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:03:17 am »

well i do have it but its not like the one i show from fleetdock13, so now what ever name class is its like the one from fleetdock 13 that i want

atheorhaven · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:05:15 am »

Quote from: DonKarnage on January 31, 2008, 10:50:39 am

i got it from fleetdock 13, i was wondering if anyone have remake it, i will check atra's site but i don't remember him making a new one, if he did i should have it, or not

thanks anyway

No worries.. and if noone else comes forward with another one, let me know and I'll kitbash one together for you.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:39:33 am »

*pull out is sword* if anyone try to make one from scratch i poke him

well thanks

we will see if we have a winner

Centurus · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:49:47 am »

Quote from: DonKarnage on January 31, 2008, 11:39:33 am

*pull out is sword* if anyone try to make one from scratch i poke him

well thanks

we will see if we have a winner

*raises an eyebrow and smacks DonKarnage with a rubber chicken and turns him into Elmer Fudd* :-D

Don Karnage · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:55:19 am »

*fire at F9thCenturus and transform him into millhouse*

Centurus · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2008, 12:03:25 pm »

Quote from: DonKarnage on January 31, 2008, 11:55:19 am

*fire at F9thCenturus and transform him into millhouse*

*speaks with commentator's voice* Little does Don Karnage know that his weaponry cannot even begin to stand up to the power of the rubber chickens, and that he was already as big as a mill house to begin with.

*smacks Don again with a rubber chicken and then ties him to a chair and makes him listen to Starships In The Night*

It's a very catchy song.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2008, 12:25:46 pm »

*is immune since its a to unknown song*

atheorhaven · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2008, 04:19:40 pm »

.. just asked I, Mudd for permission to use some of his parts for a kitbash if required.. they're the closest to styling that I've seen with Lansing's original, but are updated and better res from Lansings mesh.

If he's okay with it, and noone else steps forward with a mesh, I'll build you a Burke.

Centurus · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2008, 04:57:13 pm »

Quote from: DonKarnage on January 31, 2008, 12:25:46 pm

*is immune since its a to unknown song*

Ahhh, no one is immune. Your eardrums have already begged for mercy.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2008, 05:39:18 pm »

What is this song you speak of?

Don Karnage · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2008, 06:18:42 pm »

Starships In The Night, i don't know the song so I'm immune to it

Centurus · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2008, 06:59:27 pm »

It's a song I wrote a while back. And Don, you are not immune. Your mind is just playing tricks on you.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2008, 07:07:56 pm »

already got one song stuck in my head *I hate my self for loving you* is the one that stuck, so nothing new can get in

Centurus · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2008, 07:41:24 pm »

Quote from: DonKarnage on January 31, 2008, 07:07:56 pm

already got one song stuck in my head *I hate my self for loving you* is the one that stuck, so nothing new can get in

I love that song. It's playing right now.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2008, 08:23:54 pm »

i have it on you tube, joan jett such a good signer

atheorhaven · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:02:45 pm »

Just found this...

I, Mudd is working on a Burke..

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:10:23 pm »

What in bloody hell happened to Lord Schtupp's Site?

Don Karnage · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:16:06 pm »

it seem that he have close it

hope it work this time, so here atra's burke class, its not what i want.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:21:50 pm »

Does anyone have his stuff archived?
I'd love to start bashing again, and his are my favorite TOS models.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:23:21 pm »

i have it, what model you are looking for?

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:42:21 pm »

Let's see. I've got the FCA, the EFCA, the FDN (Star League), the FCL(Surya), FDD (Saladin, the hermes is redundent, same model), FDD (Akula).
Anthony Scott is sending me those.

I think that leaves the Pegasus, the SWACS ship.

Quick Edit: Furyofaseraph (at) gmail is best bet.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:50:53 pm »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on January 31, 2008, 10:42:21 pm

Let's see. I've got the FCA, the EFCA, the FDN (Star League), the FCL(Surya), FDD (Saladin, the hermes is redundent, same model), FDD (Akula).
Anthony Scott is sending me those.

I think that leaves the Pegasus, the SWACS ship.

Quick Edit: Furyofaseraph (at) gmail is best bet.

Pretty sure that I have the Pegasus here..

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2008, 11:05:01 pm »

Crap: I need the Surya too.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #27 on:** February 01, 2008, 12:03:05 am »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on January 31, 2008, 11:05:01 pm

Crap: I need the Surya too.

http://starfleetcommand3.filefront.com/file/TOS_Surya;33747

Some of Schtupps stuff is here:
http://starfleetcommand3.filefront.com/files/Starfleet_Command_III/Ships/Federation/;849?start=200&sort=name&name_direction=asc&limit=25&descriptions_in=0&summary_in=0&show_screenshot_in=0#files

Still looking for the SFC 2 lightmaps for the Pegasus.. also Starforce may have it.. looking back through archives, he's one of the gents responsible for the BC TOS Supermod..

And a sneak peek at what I was playing with earlier..(although FOAS has seen it)..

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #28 on:** February 01, 2008, 12:37:02 am »

The FoaS Streches his kitbasher muscles

Don Karnage · « **Reply #29 on:** February 01, 2008, 05:05:26 am »

I have the athabaska, uss Monitor old, bethune (medical ship), fcc+ monitor, galaxy class tos, ptolemy, constellation damage, enterprise cc, doohan cc, i got the surya, and the fdd saladin and its variant.

tell me what ship you want and i will send it, also i have the pegasus FDD saladin variant.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #30 on:** February 01, 2008, 05:20:05 am »

Quote from: atheorhaven on February 01, 2008, 12:03:05 am

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on January 31, 2008, 11:05:01 pm
Crap: I need the Surya too.

http://starfleetcommand3.filefront.com/file/TOS_Surya;33747

Some of Schtupps stuff is here:
http://starfleetcommand3.filefront.com/files/Starfleet_Command_III/Ships/Federation/;849?start=200&sort=name&name_direction=asc&limit=25&descriptions_in=0&summary_in=0&show_screenshot_in=0#files

Still looking for the SFC 2 lightmaps for the Pegasus.. also Starforce may have it.. looking back through archives, he's one of the gents responsible for the BC TOS Supermod..

And a sneak peek at what I was playing with earlier..(although FOAS has seen it)..

not bad, can you show me a side, front and top view of it?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #31 on:** February 01, 2008, 10:41:30 am »

I'll show you what I've got for views so far.. deflector is not on yet. Again, this is an experiment using I, Mudd's kitbash parts to try a kitbash using them.

From the age of the Burke, and things mentioned elsewhere, plus visuals of Lansings version.. it seemed like using his Baton Rouge saucer and Connie v1 nacelles seemed the logical options for the Burke.

Not at home, so work will continue tonight..

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #32 on:** February 01, 2008, 11:12:41 am »

Guys
Great work by all keep in mind that the Burke is supposed to be a Small Saucer unless your reclassifing frigates to the FASA Standard

Don Karnage · « **Reply #33 on:** February 01, 2008, 12:03:59 pm »

yea it suppose to be a small saucer, so it will stay as a frigate

atheorhaven · « **Reply #34 on:** February 01, 2008, 03:13:49 pm »

Quick texture update.. (can't do meshwork until later).

Updated the registry on the ship, got closer to color matching the textures for the nacelles and saucer. Changed the saucer marker colors, and also got the lower saucer ready for the deflector by darkening the old sensor area and changing registries down there..

Don Karnage · « **Reply #35 on:** February 01, 2008, 05:27:49 pm »

good work

thanks

atheorhaven · « **Reply #36 on:** February 02, 2008, 11:22:31 pm »

Okay, got the deflector on and some more cleanup on textures. Need to clean up a couple of points on the mesh yet. Tried a render or two, and should be ready for sending over to you tomorrow DK..

(Still have to get permission for I,Mudd for general release).

I don't know, I think it turned out pretty well.. but I'm almost horrified at how similar it is in layout to the NX-01 Enterprise for TV.. (shudder)..

Red_Sharif · « **Reply #37 on:** February 02, 2008, 11:34:27 pm »

Nice lookin' ship, Atheorhaven.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #38 on:** February 03, 2008, 06:34:24 am »

can you shrink the saucer size?, it would look less that the enterprise NX.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #39 on:** February 05, 2008, 10:47:40 am »

Looks like Frey had to recover the forum from backup and we lost some messages yesterday..

Shrunk the saucer a bit more, and am attaching some shots..

Don Karnage · « **Reply #40 on:** February 05, 2008, 03:16:50 pm »

as you can see on the screen shot i was wondering if you can make the saucer of the remake like the old one, raising the top and lowering the bottom of the saucer?

hope the screenshot made it clear

atheorhaven · « **Reply #41 on:** February 05, 2008, 03:30:20 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 05, 2008, 03:16:50 pm

as you can see on the screen shot i was wondering if you can make the saucer of the remake like the old one, raising the top and lowering the bottom of the saucer?

hope the screenshot made it clear

I could, or can replace it with a later Connie saucer, either or..

Don Karnage · « **Reply #42 on:** February 05, 2008, 03:45:10 pm »

or?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #43 on:** February 05, 2008, 04:33:36 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 05, 2008, 03:45:10 pm

or?

Sorry, either or = I could edit the current saucer to make the changes requested, or swap out this saucer and put on the Connie saucer in its place. That would give the required changes right off the bat.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #44 on:** February 05, 2008, 09:10:46 pm »

hmm well which one will be close to the old one?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #45 on:** February 05, 2008, 11:09:05 pm »

Okay, two answers to this one.

1) If you are going for accuracy given the time that the ship was launched, then the Baton Rouge was a contemporary and this ship was launched at/near the Four Year War. And it'd have been launched about 18 or so years before the Connie lauched, so should have an older hull and saucer type (like the Baton Rouge style saucer that I chose).

2) If you are going for matching the look of the old one, then we're looking at swapping out the Baton Rouge saucer for the Connie saucer.

But if we do that, I think I'll still put out the Baton Rouge style saucer'ed one as well, as I had a horrible idea to do to it.

I, Mudd. · « **Reply #46 on:** February 06, 2008, 12:52:49 am »

I like what I see in here, but ... is it just me, or does this ship look more like a Derf Class Tender rather than a Burke Class Frigate?

JM.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #47 on:** February 06, 2008, 02:33:13 am »

.. maybe, I've seen the other design as well with the underslung nacelles.

I think personally, it's closer to a Loknar, minus the lower extensions from the hull.

Derf

Loknar

But hey, it's DK's request, and he'd like something to replace his original ship..

Don Karnage · « **Reply #48 on:** February 06, 2008, 07:37:31 am »

Quote from: atheorhaven on February 06, 2008, 02:33:13 am

.. maybe, I've seen the other design as well with the underslung nacelles.

I think personally, it's closer to a Loknar, minus the lower extensions from the hull.

Derf

Loknar

But hey, it's DK's request, and he'd like something to replace his original ship..

the ship at fleetdock13 are not mine

anyway i check the model that i have and found one model that will do, but the warp engines are too big, WZ did one but its a DD and the saucer would be too big.

marstone · « **Reply #49 on:** February 06, 2008, 09:46:07 am »

I have a question, sort of works on the line of the old frigate. Does any of the modders out there have images of the starliner ships put out for SFB. I like the ship designs from the models put out from ADB for the game. If someone made them, I would definetely have to get copies.

The frigate in that series, had smaller engines then the ones on these models and the warp necules(sic) came of the sides of the impulse/engineering section of the hull and slanted outwards and back.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #50 on:** February 06, 2008, 11:43:43 am »

$:-\$ what ship you're looking for?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #51 on:** February 09, 2008, 06:09:49 pm »

.. okay, have split this into two streams for myself.. one to match the request, and one to match an idea I had.

But here's the ship, still have to clean up textures, but almost there.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #52 on:** February 09, 2008, 06:29:58 pm »

this is good, but the engines on the original look bigger from the front view and top view, so now the pylon that hold the engines sould be a bit larger from a side view.

beside that the ship is good thanks

Vipre · « **Reply #53 on:** February 09, 2008, 06:34:26 pm »

Killer ship either version atheorhaven.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #54 on:** February 09, 2008, 06:46:09 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 09, 2008, 06:29:58 pm

this is good, but the engines on the original look bigger from the front view and top view, so now the pylon that hold the engines sould be a bit larger from a side view.

beside that the ship is good thanks

Tell you what, email me your original MOD file, and I'll scale the nacelles to exactly the same.. I did have to adjust the nacelles due to scale differences between the Saladin and the Baton Rouge.. so I'll scale up the pylons a bit and then vertice edit them to the same join points. This way, they'll be thinker without (hopefully) appreciable stretching of the texture.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #55 on:** February 09, 2008, 06:48:14 pm »

Quote from: Vipre on February 09, 2008, 06:34:26 pm

Killer ship either version atheorhaven.

Thanks Vipre... I Mudd did a nice job on the parts, I'm just adjusting the textures and tweaking where the parts go to match some pictures.

Wait until you see what's on the other development path.. I'm having some fun with it. >=)

Okay, here's a little hint.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #56 on:** February 09, 2008, 07:04:46 pm »

hey viper, i got something for you

Don Karnage · « **Reply #57 on:** February 09, 2008, 07:11:24 pm »

Quote from: atheorhaven on February 09, 2008, 06:46:09 pm

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 09, 2008, 06:29:58 pm
this is good, but the engines on the original look bigger from the front view and top view, so now the pylon that hold the engines sould be a bit larger from a side view.

beside that the ship is good thanks

Tell you what, email me your original MOD file, and I'll scale the nacelles to exactly the same.. I did have to adjust the nacelles due to scale differences between the Saladin and the Baton Rouge.. so I'll scale up the pylons a bit and then vertice edit them to the same join points. This way, they'll be thinker without (hopefully) appreciable stretching of the texture.

I'm sending them to you're gmail account.

Vipre · « **Reply #58 on:** February 09, 2008, 08:20:07 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 09, 2008, 07:04:46 pm

hey viper, i got something for you

My cousin had all that GI Joe stuff, him being an only child had the biggest pile of them.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #59 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:39:59 am »

.. okay, scaled against your original.. time for bed..

(also gave me a chance to jazz up a couple of textures for the other line, so of which will spill onto this one. check out the new blue inlines on the inside of the nacelles.

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #60 on:** February 10, 2008, 05:22:17 am »

Nice work Atheorhaven Any chance we can see her besides a Constitution class for size comparison. I'll definitely have to download
this one also nice upgrade on the fleet dock 13 model.

marstone · « **Reply #61 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:17:32 am »

is it just me or does the right warp necule(sic) seem to lean towards the other engine slightly?

Don Karnage · « **Reply #62 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:59:44 am »

the pylon on the left seem different from the one on the right.

marstone · « **Reply #63 on:** February 10, 2008, 09:29:10 am »

that is the one I seen. The right pylon of the ship. To the left for the viewer. Wasn't sure if it might be the lighting on the pylon or not, but thought it leans alittle.

Vipre · « **Reply #64 on:** February 10, 2008, 09:42:46 am »

If you look real close you can see they are the same, it's just an illusion caused by the textures.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #65 on:** February 10, 2008, 10:00:03 am »

Quote from: Bernard Guignard on February 10, 2008, 05:22:17 am

Nice work Atheorhaven Any chance we can see her besides a Constitution class for size comparison. I'll definitely have to download
this one also nice upgrade on the fleet dock 13 model.

this should do.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #66 on:** February 10, 2008, 12:50:12 pm »

Quote from: Vipre on February 10, 2008, 09:42:46 am

If you look real close you can see they are the same, it's just an illusion caused by the textures.

Thanks for catching that.. they were both spun 30 some degrees (32 I think) and both exactly the same.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #67 on:** February 10, 2008, 12:51:30 pm »

Quote from: Bernard Guignard on February 10, 2008, 05:22:17 am

Nice work Atheorhaven Any chance we can see her besides a Constitution class for size comparison. I'll definitely have to download
this one also nice upgrade on the fleet dock 13 model.

Sure can Bernard.. I'll pull in Mudd's Connie into Max as well and do some renders for comparison.

Right after coffee and breakfast.

(edit [later]) Okay, I pulled in Mudd's Connie, Mudd's Saladin, the new kitbash, and the original Fleetdock 13 model for size comparisons.

It goes, Saladin, Connie, new ship, original Fleetdock 13 mesh from left to right.

Last shot shows up as a closeup of the new ship versus the old Fleetdock 13 ship with the edge of the Coniie to the left. (Ignore the textures on the Saladin and Connie, I was experimenting on both the Connie and Saladin for textures).

atheorhaven · « **Reply #68 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:42:07 pm »

Quick update (see above)..

I, Mudd. · « **Reply #69 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:45:49 pm »

why does that litemap on the connie look ... off?

JM.

Panzergranate · « **Reply #70 on:** February 10, 2008, 02:51:34 pm »

But why are the nachelles on top anyway.... the Burke Class models in SFB and artworks / diagrams of the BUrke Class always have the nachelles underneath close to the hull.

Having them on top mounted also blocks part of the firing arcs for the Port and Starboard Phaser Banks.

I'm surprised that nobody has had a go at the similar sized Kovaris Class (DD 460 - 462) destroyers.

They mount a T-Pylon arrangement above the saucer. I made a model of both the Kovaris and the Burke back in 1994 and still have both. I had to create and mould a lot the plastic parts myself.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #71 on:** February 10, 2008, 03:26:51 pm »

Quote from: I, Mudd. on February 10, 2008, 02:45:49 pm

why does that litemap on the connie look ... off?
JM.

Because I have a different lightmap for the Connie than the base texture. As I said, please ignore the textures on the Connie and Saladin because I was experimenting with the textures.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #72 on:** February 10, 2008, 03:31:57 pm »

Quote from: Panzergranate on February 10, 2008, 02:51:34 pm

But why are the nachelles on top anyway.... the Burke Class models in SFB and artworks / diagrams of the BUrke Class always have the nachelles underneath close to the hull.

Having them on top mounted also blocks part of the firing arcs for the Port and Starboard Phaser Banks.

I'm surprised that nobody has had a go at the similar sized Kovaris Class (DD 460 - 462) destroyers.

They mount a T-Pylon arrangement above the saucer. I made a model of both the Kovaris and the Burke back in 1994 and still have both. I had to create and mould a lot the plastic parts myself.

Dunno, I didn't design it, I'm filling a request.

Notes from the original credits:

Quote

Original Credits
The Original Series Burke Frigate

Original mesh by Moon

Based on a design by Franz Joseph and Paramount's Star Trek series

Mesh heavily reworked by Lansing (Mike Callahan)

Textures by by Lansing

Design advice, HEAVY research and additional textural work by Brian Zinkle, Ghost and Anduril.

I think the key here is that it was based on the Franz Joseph design, but was changed during the build.. maybe they thought that it looked better this way.

But at any rate, I'm not judging the design concept, or practicality of the ship, the size, or really anything else.. I'm trying to help someone fill a request for an update to the Fleetdock 13 design, and my interest in it is that, plus seeing how I, Mudd's parts work in a kitbash. Quite well, I think.. the results speak for themselves.

Quote from: Don Karnage on January 31, 2008, 07:41:14 am

I got a old frigate (tos era) and i was wondering if anyone have remake it or would be interested to remake it?

To me, this is some of the joy I get from SFC.. plus also I know that this new ship will help extend the gameplay and life of SFC for one person. And I don't know about the other modellers motives, but that's part of it for me.

Panzergranate · « **Reply #73 on:** February 10, 2008, 03:41:14 pm »

There were later other related Classes such as the Buford, etc. in the Burke Family.

I made mine by etching the component shape into Dental Plaster, things like saucer details, etc.

I then cast it in Glue Gun Stick in a sort of inhection moulding process using a large syringe to create the draw in vaccuum, let it cool and stuck it together.

The only two things Super Glue will stick together are Human Skin and Glue Gun Stick!!

I then painted it up.

Life is so much easier modelling on a computer in 3D.

Centurus · « **Reply #74 on:** February 10, 2008, 03:44:42 pm »

Quote from: atheorhaven on February 10, 2008, 03:31:57 pm

To me, this is some of the joy I get from SFC.. plus also I know that this new ship will help extend the gameplay and life of SFC for one person. And I don't know about the other modellers motives, but that's part of it for me.

I just like knowing that for basically the first time in my life, I'm actually doing something creative and artistic. And what really makes me feel good is that some people here actually like my work enough that they use it.

Other than that, I do it for the love of doing it. Not to mention if done right, they look killer in game.

KEEP ON MODDING ATHEORHAVEN!!!!

Don Karnage · « **Reply #75 on:** February 10, 2008, 04:24:32 pm »

Quote from: Panzergranate on February 10, 2008, 02:51:34 pm

But why are the nachelles on top anyway.... the Burke Class models in SFB and artworks / diagrams of the BUrke Class always have the nachelles underneath close to the hull.

Having them on top mounted also blocks part of the firing arcs for the Port and Starboard Phaser Banks.

I'm surprised that nobody has had a go at the similar sized Kovaris Class (DD 460 - 462) destroyers.

They mount a T-Pylon arrangement above the saucer. I made a model of both the Kovaris and the Burke back in 1994 and still have both. I had to create and mould a lot the plastic parts myself.

well if you look closely the conie also have part of the warp engine in the way of the arc, the only ship that don't have the engines in the ways are the Saladin class and maybe a few other, since the engine is under the saucer the arc is clear.

well LS did Don't remember when kinda remake the Saladin class.

well the engines could be with the nacel be on the side of the ship and place the deflector dish on front of the saucer.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #76 on:** February 10, 2008, 04:30:26 pm »

here something else.

a klingon fed hybrid, not like the one centurion is making for me

atheorhaven · « **Reply #77 on:** February 10, 2008, 04:36:56 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 10, 2008, 04:24:32 pm

well if you look closely the conie also have part of the warp engine in the way of the arc, the only ship that don't have the engines in the ways are the Saladin class and maybe a few other, since the engine is under the saucer the arc is clear.
well LS did Don't remember when kinda remake the Saladin class.
well the engines could be with the nacel be on the side of the ship and place the deflector dish on front of the saucer.

That's similar to the idea that Mackie had when he kitbashed the Alamo from Schtupp parts.. which I then used as the basis for the TOS Bethune, which I see that you downloaded at one point.

It's nice to see it on someone else's hard drive..

It was also dedicated to the people affected by the London subway bombings in 2005..

Original thread can be seen here with the TNG and TOS versions of the hospital ship I did..

TNG Britannia
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163357963.msg1122592969.html#msg1122592969
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=163357963.0;id=3994

TOS Bethune
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163357963.msg1122593059.html#msg1122593059

In progress shot

What's kind of neat for me is seeing people confusing my and Mackie's kitbashes with Schtupp's originals.. guess that means that we did a good enough job.

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #78 on:** February 10, 2008, 04:44:39 pm »

Quote from: atheorhaven on February 10, 2008, 12:51:30 pm

Quote from: Bernard Guignard on February 10, 2008, 05:22:17 am
Nice work Atheorhaven Any chance we can see her besides a Constitution class for size comparison. I'll definitely have to download
this one also nice upgrade on the fleet dock 13 model.

Sure can Bernard.. I'll pull in Mudd's Connie into Max as well and do some renders for comparison.

Right after coffee and breakfast.

(edit [later]) Okay, I pulled in Mudd's Connie, Mudd's Saladin, the new kitbash, and the original Fleetdock 13 model for size comparisons.

It goes, Saladin, Connie, new ship, original Fleetdock 13 mesh from left to right.

Last shot shows up as a closeup of the new ship versus the old Fleetdock 13 ship with the edge of the Coniie to the left. (Ignore the textures on the Saladin and Connie, I was experimenting on both the Connie and Saladin for textures).

Alec
That's really nice work. My only suggestion would be either scale up the A,B,C Decks By a little more make them 85 percent the size of the Constitution this would give the frigate a small bridge but something that is still reasonably scaled or redesign the A, B C deck to a 2 deck height
Deck for a bridge. again The bridge can be slightly smaller than the Connie's but not by too much .

Centurus · « **Reply #79 on:** February 10, 2008, 04:47:41 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 10, 2008, 04:30:26 pm

here something else.

a klingon fed hybrid, not like the one centurion is making for me

You gotta give credit to the guy that made that hybrid. Talk about creative and resourceful.

Oh, and Don, aside from a break model, what else do you want done on that kitbash?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #80 on:** February 10, 2008, 04:53:50 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 10, 2008, 04:30:26 pm

here something else.

a klingon fed hybrid, not like the one centurion is making for me

This one I'd really have to wonder about.. I can't see the K'Tinga neck being strong enough to support that Connie saucer. And why cut the K'Tinga's forward pod in half? I might be able to see the torpedo assembly being replaced with a Klingon assembly, but you'd have a lot of Klingon warriors rather honked off at the dismembering of a Klingon spaceframe like that to mount it onto something as decident and soft as a Federation Heavy Cruiser.

I'm sure that the K'Tingas really *did* only have one toilet just to make the warriors surlier.. and that one was probably vacuum operated at that.

(image: Klingon warrior crouches in airlock, takes off belt, and wraps it around support post. Hits "Flush" and bathroom waste and most of the airlock atmosphere gets flushed into space. Warrior manages to close hatch and start repressurization before he passes out from lack of air. Wakes up to other warriors banging on airlock door, and pulls up pants to leave airlock)

Pretty sure that KF would agree with me on this, but I can't see the design ever leaving a development yard for any extended period of time. From a reverse engineering point of view, some of it would make sense.. but the bridge module alone from a K'Tinga might (with a lot of work and adaption) fit inside the bridge module port for a Connie saucer.. but that'd just be the bridge, not the rest of the upper superstructure.

A better adaption would be Mackie's "USS K'Tinga"

Personal opinion though, and as always YMMV..

atheorhaven · « **Reply #81 on:** February 10, 2008, 05:00:13 pm »

Quote from: Bernard Guignard on February 10, 2008, 04:44:39 pm

Alec
That's really nice work. My only suggestion would be either scale up the A,B,C Decks By a little more make them 85 percent the size of the Constitution this would give the frigate a small bridge but something that is still reasonably scaled or redesign the A, B C deck to a 2 deck height
Deck for a bridge. again The bridge can be slightly smaller than the Connie's but not by too much .

You're right Don, I should've caught that myself. Unless they especially hit the crew with non-lethal TCE's (Doctor Who reference) or staffed the ship with Horta or similarly small peoples, the bridge would only be able to handle children for crew.. not full-sized adults. And small kids at that.

It matches the original for scaling entirely now, but in this case, the scale is going to be too small.

Best solution would be to scale up the ship for size to make it closer to the Saladin. If DK is okay with that?

Don Karnage · « **Reply #82 on:** February 10, 2008, 05:18:20 pm »

Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 10, 2008, 04:47:41 pm

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 10, 2008, 04:30:26 pm
here something else.

a klingon fed hybrid, not like the one centurion is making for me

You gotta give credit to the guy that made that hybrid. Talk about creative and resourceful.

Oh, and Don, aside from a break model, what else do you want done on that kitbash?

no, just that, thanks

here pics of the ship F9thCenturus made for me, the klingon hybrid.

marstone · « **Reply #83 on:** February 10, 2008, 05:24:24 pm »

Quote from: Panzergranate on February 10, 2008, 02:51:34 pm

But why are the nachelles on top anyway.... the Burke Class models in SFB and artworks / diagrams of the BUrke Class always have the nachelles underneath close to the hull.

Having them on top mounted also blocks part of the firing arcs for the Port and Starboard Phaser Banks.

I'm surprised that nobody has had a go at the similar sized Kovaris Class (DD 460 - 462) destroyers.

They mount a T-Pylon arrangement above the saucer. I made a model of both the Kovaris and the Burke back in 1994 and still have both. I had to create and mould a lot the plastic parts myself.

From what I have. The frigate ship from SFB if you check out the starliner ships have the warp engines on top with the pylons just off the impulse engine/engineering area.

Centurus · « **Reply #84 on:** February 10, 2008, 05:51:17 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 10, 2008, 05:18:20 pm

Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 10, 2008, 04:47:41 pm
Quote from: Don Karnage on February 10, 2008, 04:30:26 pm
here something else.

a klingon fed hybrid, not like the one centurion is making for me

You gotta give credit to the guy that made that hybrid. Talk about creative and resourceful.

Oh, and Don, aside from a break model, what else do you want done on that kitbash?

no, just that, thanks

here pics of the ship F9thCenturus made for me, the klingon hybrid.

She seriously needs a retexture so that it doesn't looked slapped together. Well, so it looks less slapped together.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #85 on:** February 10, 2008, 06:01:44 pm »

bah, the klingon don't care

and i don't

so when its ready after the break model is made just send it like that.

Centurus · « **Reply #86 on:** February 10, 2008, 06:07:04 pm »

No problem.

Since the ship is more or less in a D7 configuration, I'll copy over the hardpoints from the Klink ship I used.

P.S.

The ship uses parts from WZ's Gettysburg, D7, and TOS Akula.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #87 on:** February 10, 2008, 06:14:12 pm »

i know

the texture was evident that it was WZ ship you use to made it.

Centurus · « **Reply #88 on:** February 10, 2008, 06:32:05 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 10, 2008, 06:14:12 pm

i know

the texture was evident that it was WZ ship you use to made it.

I know. I just made the post for disclaimer purposes, and so that I know proper credit is given.

Remember, this ship is meant for personal use. I'm pretty sure WZ doesn't mind images posted, but not the ship for release.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #89 on:** February 10, 2008, 06:40:22 pm »

well i will ask him anyway and if its ok well the mod will be posted somewhere by someone

Centurus · « **Reply #90 on:** February 10, 2008, 07:14:38 pm »

Quote from: Don Karnage on February 10, 2008, 06:40:22 pm

well i will ask him anyway and if its ok well the mod will be posted somewhere by someone

Just let me know before you put it anywhere for download. I didn't write a readme to accompany it. Just included WZ's readmes. Well, two of them. I forgot to add the 3rd, now that I remember.

Old age, it sucks. My mind's already half dust.

I know, it wasn't very useful to begin with, but oh well.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #91 on:** February 14, 2008, 11:30:05 pm »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on January 31, 2008, 11:05:01 pm

Crap: I need the Surya too.

Okay, I found my copies of the 1024 versions (for SFC 2) of the Surya and Pegasus. Do you still need them?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #92 on:** February 24, 2008, 12:06:29 pm »

.. haven't forgotten this, but have been running sick for the last week and spent two days home in bed asleep breaking a fever, posting when I was lucid.

Doing better now, otherwise you'd be getting a post like:
"Walrus orangatan, and the bird said Nom".

Will try to get this complete this weekend and up for download..

atheorhaven · « **Reply #93 on:** March 14, 2008, 10:42:10 am »

... bumping, will try to post the download tonight (hard to do that when the board has been down).

Centurus · « **Reply #94 on:** March 14, 2008, 10:44:45 am »

Quote from: atheorhaven on February 24, 2008, 12:06:29 pm

Doing better now, otherwise you'd be getting a post like:
"Walrus orangatan, and the bird said Nom".

You know what the odd thing is. I actually understood that example.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #95 on:** April 27, 2008, 08:34:01 pm »

Okay, finished (got some time at home with no pressure).

And there are two ships for release.. I went with the original request, and developed off that into another idea (that came out of the bashing).

First is the replacement Burke request for the original Fleetdock 13 mesh.. it turned out really well. Then I would up making something that looked sort of like the NX from Enterprise. So I went with that as well.. decided to reimage that ship as a SFB inspired remake of what a ship like this *would* look like. Both ships have shuttlepod bays under tha saucer, the Burke in the front, the Columbia in the back.

So there we go.. just have to get these over to I'Mudd's as per the credit requirments and have him review the ships.. then if he's cool with them, they'll be up there ready for release.

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