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Offline Don Karnage

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Hard Drive question
« on: February 15, 2008, 08:55:35 pm »
well my main hd is dead as you know and my big hd is ok, the big 200 Gig have the sfc game on it so I'm ok for that, no lost in mod ::)

the small 40 Gig is dead and if i send it to wd it cost me 50$ and the will return another one or rebuild it, so if they rebuild it will i get back my data on it?

don't think so, for what i read on th web site they send another HD, so i wont pay 50$ for a 40 Gig hd since i can get a 80 Gig for 50$.

so my question is: is there a way or someone who can get the data on the hd?

i won't buy a 80 gig hd since i don't want a big hd to put win xp on it and a few stuff, a big hd is for games and music, so if its possible to get the data on  it?

i know that some place do that but its expensive and what i have on it is not, that's why I'm asking if anyone can help me?

thanks

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Re: Hard Drive question
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2008, 09:49:40 pm »
I fix hard drives occasionally and how the drive failed is the factor that will determine if the data is lost.

Satistically, HDs fail as follows....

Onboard Controller Card E2PROM loosing / forgetting factory settings - 60% of failures.

Platter / Head crash - 30% of failures.

Onboard Controller Card failure - 10%.

If the drive is a Quantum Fireball then it has a 100% chance of having the head arm controller chip catching fire with the odds of how soon increasing expotentially as the HD's platter size grows past 13 G.Bytes. These drives do actually catch fire!! :o I've binned over 50 so far!!

Onvoard E2Prom failures.... you'll need a friend with a special card called a "HD Factory E2PROM programmer" built into a modified PC, which converts it into a specialist tool. The card costs just over £900 in the UK and I own four of them.

Such a modifed PC allows one ot have the powers of God over hard discs and even raise apparently dead HDs from the grave / skip.

Take a HD I fixed at the charity factory unit during the week.... a Samsung 40 G.Byte.

Right, POST on the donated PC didn't even acknowledge it was conected, as clear symptom of E2PROM feck up.

I plug it up to the HD repair rig and after a couple of seconds of poking it, the HD repair rig reports that the E2PROM on the HD is controller card is claiming that the HD has 65535 tracks, 14 heads and 63 sectors even though it actually has 16 heads.... Do I want to correct the error Y/N??

I hit "Y" and the E2PROM is corrected.

The HOTFIX is also turned off (The HD can't do housekeeping without this and will slowly feck up over the months of use!!) so I turn it back on again.

I put the HD back into its home PC and it works again, fires up properly and everything is fixed.

I've had numerous IT geeks tell me that a normal PC can do this with software and so I ask them how the software managed to overcome the missing Task 0 and Task 1 pins omitted on normal PC HD controllers?? Can't mess with the E2PROM without them!!

$50 for basically switchng on a HD rig, pressing F2, followed by 4 other key presses and the drive is fixed in the time it takes to type this.... that's a good profit margin for just under a minute's work!!

I'd fix it for a beer if you lived locally to me in the UK!!

Chances are your data is still safe inside, just inaccessable rather like a safe with a broken lock.

Modern HDs have more robust heads and platters than in the old days.

Back in the early 1980's the HD was a Warp Cored sized thing in the middle of the computer room and head crashes were more like a grenade going off!! ;D

People who've been around HDs for a very long time, like myself, still have panic attacks when anybody mentions "Run Length Limited" drives.... even mentioning them is considered bad luck in older vertran computer engineer circles.

The average RLL HD lasted about a year out of the box before it failed!!

Out of all the thousands of MFM, ESDE, IDE, EIDE and SCSI (I automatically chuck RLL drives straight into the bin!!) I've fixed over the years at repair shops and home, I've never actually had to rebuild a hard disc's mechanics as all the failures were 2/3rd E2PROM errors or controller card compnent failures.
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Re: Hard Drive question
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2008, 10:10:05 pm »
quantum fireballs where the absolute worst drive I ever had in my life. I have a dozen of there 10-40 gig  drives that should double for skeet.

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Re: Hard Drive question
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2008, 10:17:35 pm »
I had a 20 gig die on me a number of years ago.

I think it overheated cause I remember my computer sparked and nothing worked.  Not even the motherboard worked.  Had to build a whole new system.

I still have the drive, but I never bothered to get the data recovered.  One is the cost.  Two is also some information that my mom had on there that she doesn't want anyone to have access to cause it was information from her office that she was working on at home at the time.

The drive doesn't start, and if you plug it into any other computer, just the power connection, and the computer won't even start. 

I had forgotten all about it until now that Don just mentioned his incident.
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Re: Hard Drive question
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008, 10:28:35 pm »
I actually watched two 20 Gig Quantums catch fire whilst on test when I was working at Mercom a few years ago!!

We just stood and watched as a birthday cake sized flame appeared in the middle of the head controller chip and proceeded to burn to the outer edge over an 8 second period. The "Fireball" does live up to its name!!

Their "Big Foot" is reliable.

Based on the make of Drive I've least had to fix, I'd rank hard drive reliability as follows.:-

Maxwell.

Maxtor.

IBM.

Samsung.

............................

Quantum.

Hard Drive failure is the only way a PC can feck up that doesn't require Microsoft involvement!! ;D

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Re: Hard Drive question
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2008, 10:59:25 pm »
Many many many years ago, in an other lifetime, I worked about half a year at the seagate plant in OKC, making SCSI drives. That was all I could take, as It was mind numbingly boring. We had like an assembly line going there.

Then , I will admit, I liked there drives ok. But I haven't really looked at SCSI in quite a few years.

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Re: Hard Drive question
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2008, 06:36:33 am »
well the hd is a western digital wd400.

if i plug it the computer wont detect it, master whit slave, slave or alone the com wont detect it at all, no error message.

i do have one hd (somewhere) that i get the warning message of hd crash,.

well i will ask a computer shop and see if he can do it.

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Re: Hard Drive question
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2008, 11:20:36 pm »
I have a Seagate SCSI drive lying around here..... maybe even one that Stephen hammered together.... it might even work!! ;D

I went though my HD stockpile and noticed that I have a hell of a lot of working Connor HDs, some of which are 21 and 42M.Byte IDE drives from the 1990's. However they all have one thing in common.... they all still work!!

I've only ever had to fix one Conner drive out of all the thousands of HDs I've ever had to fix and that was a 420 that had E2PROM senitity.

So Don, when you buy a new HD buy a Connor as they last for ever and ever and ever and ever........

I kind of forgot about Connor HDs as I've had so little to do with them, apart from use them over the years, that I forgot that they should be at the top of the reliability list above Maxwell.

Anyone else ever have a Connor HD in some old PC once??




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Re: Hard Drive question
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 07:52:46 am »
never heard of that name, i will check some com show and see if they have that brand.

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Re: Hard Drive question
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2008, 04:13:03 pm »
They used to be OEM in Compaq, Tulip and a few other makes.

I've have a Connor 40 Meg. IDE in an old Comapq 286N "luggable" (it is only a laptop if you want your legs crushed!!) which is fitted with an IDE to MFM conversion card bolted on underneath, so it can run on a MFM controller!!

Not nad for a macjine new in 1987 and it still works!!

I haven't seen any Conner drives for a few years and the two 420 Meg. ones are from the mid 1990's.

I generally run Samsung and Maxtor dirves in my machines here if possible. All machines coming in are converted over to these drives, especially if I see "Quantum" written on the top!!

Anyone want a shoebox or two full of Quantum Foreball drives??!!

They all worked when I removed them, I just don't trust the things!!

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