Topic: I am going to try a kitbash. Yes. Me. Srsly. (Read 3381 times)

Starforce2 · « **on:** December 30, 2007, 01:20:26 am »

But I could use some imput. This design, while it looks cool and particly portable the way it is, there's a slight problem with the impulse engines.

Now, there's 2 ways I can solve this, but I'm not exactly sure what I want to do. I suppose I could even do both.

First, would be to rebash it with, most likely, some kind of miranda saucer contraption from GAFY or mackie's long list of tmp frankenstiens...or mindblips ashton (or laxon) (or what the hell..I'll ask adonis...) and replace the original and the nacelles (with?) and shove a couple impulse engines and reactor covers into a miranda torp pod and stick them in the back. Either in top and under the center beam or just stuff them up the rear end of the thing.

Or, option 2: Use Dizzy's Star union saucer and connection pylons, which would place the pods below the saucer and then replace just the nacelles.

Does anyone like the nacelles? The shape? I can have them retetxured...probably..
My possible choices were (assuming permissions can be obtained)

1) Sbloyds gagarn, retextured
2) regular old galaxy or ambassador nacelles. SNS galaxy.
3) Asylums new connie (hurry it up so I can chop the engines off)

Centurus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2007, 06:15:41 am »

Personally, this design should be targeted by every single ship in existence and shot to oblivion.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2007, 06:28:46 am »

LOL. Atlest it's not another connie remake

Centurus · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2007, 07:00:26 am »

Quote from: Starforce2 on December 30, 2007, 06:28:46 am

LOL. Atlest it's not another connie remake

You're right. It would have to go through tons of work just to be half as good as one of my kitbashes.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2007, 10:38:40 am »

I like the way it looks from the top

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2007, 11:00:19 am »

One of the things you have to consider when bashing are what parts you are going to use to reach the goal. Those parts will determine the look of the ship, by design and textures. Textures can be redone and remapped, but the bash still needs the purpose of the look.

Right now I can not tell why you made it, what role you wanted it to fill.
too small to be a carrier
not enough weapons to be a gunboat
etc

atheorhaven · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2007, 01:01:48 pm »

Agreed.. purpose will help to dictate form..

Currently, to me, it looks like you're going for a cargo tug, or a form of carrier.

The above and below design of the nacelles is going to force anything that you have between them to be on a horizontal plane, as you have it.

If you check Mackie's Alamo, he flipped his nacelles horizontal, which gave me more room for a vertical arrangement when I used it as a basis for the TOS Hope class, pretty well a heavily modified cargo carrier. You might want to look more towards that arrangement here.

And guys, keep in mind, this is Staforce's *first* kitbash, comments to help will help him out vastly. Reference asylum's TNG Connie thread to see just what good positive comments can do.

Smiley · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2007, 01:52:41 pm »

Hmm, reminds me of a bit of a construction ship of some kind for a game.

I don't hate it and it's nice to see *something* different (not intentionally aimed at Connie over-lovers), though one has to agree that you need to decide what it should be first rather than retrospectively trying to shoehorn it into something - all conjecture on my part as I have never kitbashed (much prefer to start from scratch!).

Starforce2 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2007, 03:35:23 pm »

The connie comment was a fun response to the rip about how it should eb shot to oblivion. I thought the comment was funny anyways,

At any rate, this is an armada construction ship. The pictures you see are the original. I don't know who made it yet so if I use the cargo pods I need to find the author. I simply want to take this design and make it look better, obviously sicne there's no construction in BC or SFC this would be a cargo ship.

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2007, 05:49:12 pm »

Then you answered my first question which was what is the purpose
Construction Ship

So now you need to find the parts that you want to meet your goal and sketch out a basic arrangement.
So you need Engines, and their supports
Hull, Saucer
Cargo pods that can be easily replaced for stores
An area pick a side were the construction equipment is

But mostly you have to decide it, as it is your kitbash so make it the way you want it to look. If you don't like it try the other parts until you are happy with it.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2007, 06:07:47 pm »

I'm going to make it as a cargo ship. I will probably keep the mods and the entire rear section I may even keep the supports. The only way I wouldn't keep the supports is if I get the ok to use the starunion command section, because that was designed as mvam so it hsa the neck pylons and such inplace and the bussard would be sticking into the saucer at that point.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2007, 07:18:33 pm »

Is there going to be a TMP version with TMP nacelles?

KF

Centurus · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2007, 10:46:13 pm »

I knew the ship wasn't his kitbash. If it was, I would have given advice. Don't know about anyone else, but in the first post he did mention something about rebashing the ship because of things he didn't like with the ship as is.

Now if he manages to make a new ship out of quality parts, I'll be one of the first to give advice.

Besides, it was me showing him how to select and delete mesh components that got him started.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 31, 2007, 12:40:06 am »

I think for simplicity and speed I'm going to use a mindblip saucer. Maybe nacelles for KF's tmp version. Reason being they look nice, and the laxson saucer has the unlit lower emitters that would make great tractor placements for a cargo ship.

I'ev also though of taking a design element from dizzy, and his starunion bash, using a connie saucer, placing it backwards, and using an oberth saucer top as a bridge. (perhaps an FDN for a larger saucer). The only thing is I'd need a connecting boom. Then there's what to do about the impulse drive. I could have the color changed to look like powered down impulse drive, giving the ship the ability to travel at impulse in 2 directions, or turn the impulse unit into a deflector mount and use the old p81 blue impulse textures.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #14 on:** December 31, 2007, 12:56:25 am »

all nice ideas.. now lets see summat

and going back to that first ship, why not chop away all the rear stuff.. add a deflector somewhere and have a nice... what did you guys used to call them.... hmmmmm... Police ship or perimiter action ship.. you know what i mean

Starforce2 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 31, 2007, 01:43:31 am »

That is an easy fix. Since the pylons attach to the saucer.
However that bash could be made from better parts rather than low poly aramda parts, it's like 1170 or something poly.

Anyways, I've managed to chop off a laxson saucer, a Sentry-A nacelle, both from mindblips old site, and cut the old saucer off the cargo. Problem is, I now have a wole in the front of the ship, and once the scale is right for the saucer, the rear of the saucer is not thick enough to fit the hole... I'm really not sure what to do with that. I've though about cutting a deflector pod off a Kiraus and stuffing it in there, then dropping the saucer on top. The impulse engine problem would (should) solve itself, but the dorsal nacelle will need to be higher off the deck and I'll need to attach them to the spine of the ship farther back like the tng challenger class.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 31, 2007, 03:02:13 am »

one problem after another. To block the hole in the front of the cargo ship where the old saucer attached I stuffed it with a deflector pod. After setting the saucer on it, the saucers lower dome blocks the deflector. (I could turn the pod around and keep it deflectorless, then there'd be a cargo door there..which actualy aint a half bad idea) except the pod is a tad too wide. I suppose I could use the scale tool to make it thicker without making it wider..bet that'd find a way to F*** things up too.

Well, here's the POS I ended up with so far. Lets just not even bother with nacelles for the moment...

AsYlUm · « **Reply #17 on:** December 31, 2007, 03:23:04 am »

Im liking the new textures.. keep at it.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 31, 2007, 04:41:17 am »

Quote from: AsYlUm on December 31, 2007, 03:23:04 am

Im liking the new textures.. keep at it.

I'm going to try a P81/gafy miranda next. The saucer is thicker. Maybe I can keep the old pylons and fill the gap without the dumb sensor pod. Solve the impulse problem too.

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