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New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« on: December 03, 2007, 06:13:48 am »
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New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops

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Go ahead, drop that laptop. Just make sure it has a solid-state drive inside.

The laptop-computer market could get a lift thanks to new storage technology that promises near-instant boot-up time, longer battery life and way more durability--for those willing to plunk down the extra cash.

Long a promise but starting to roll out in laptops made by the likes of Dell Inc. (DELL), Sony Corp. (SNE) and Toshiba -- and pretty soon just about every other PC maker -- these solid-state drives have no moving parts. That means they can take much more of a beating then the current laptops on the market.  According to Craig Marking, senior product marketing manager at Toshiba, hard drives spin at a rate of 52.5 miles per hour.

It also means you won’t have to wait minutes for you laptop to start up and shut down, nor will it take time for applications to load. Laptop batteries could end up lasting 10% to 15% longer or about an extra hour and will run a lot cooler and quieter.

“With a hard drive you have moving parts,’’ said Michael Abary, senior VP of marketing for Sony’s Vaio line of notebooks, which is already selling a notebook computer with a solid-state drive. “With a solid-state drive, there’s no moving parts, therefore the chance of failure is infinitely less. We are seeing that solid-state notebooks are being used in mission-critical situations.”

With an extra cost of anywhere from $500 to $900 for the solid-state drives, industry watchers don’t think these drives will ever replace the current hard drives on the market. In addition to the price difference, current hard drives have much bigger storage capacity, likely rendering solid-state drives to a niche, at least in the beginning.

Solid-state drives today have a capacity of 64GB while their hard-disk brethren have capacities of 250GB and higher.

“It's unlikely hard disk drives will go away,’’ said Michael Yang,  flash marketing manager at Samsung Electronics, which makes solid-state drives and other computer-memory products. For most of the market, 64GB is good enough, but there will always be people who need more, Yang said, pointing as an example to consumers that have a ton of digital movies or songs stored on their computers.

According to Samsung, next year solid-state drives will make up 10% of the computer market.  That will grow to 20% to 30% in 2009 and 50% in 2010 as the price for the drives come down.  “Over time there will be a happy medium,’’ said Yang.

Given the extra price and newness of the technology, computer makers are targeting solid-state drives at corporations, early tech adopters and road warriors. Since the solid-state drives have a lower failure rate, industry players argue that, while more costly, they will end up saving a corporation more money over the long run.  Yang of Samsung said with solid-state drives you get 2 million hours before failure compared with 300,000 hours with regular hard drives.

Samsung is currently working with an unnamed pharmaceutical company whose notebook computers out in the field have an average life span of about a year. By having solid-state drives, the company is able to reduce the number of hours spent fixing or replacing the laptops, said Yang.   “The most appealing factor is cheaper total cost of ownership,’’ he said.

On the consumer side, executives at the computer companies say it will mainly be early technology adopters and computer gamers that find the technology appealing enough to pay the extra cash.

“When the iPhone came out, there were certain people who had to have it because it was innovative and cool,” said Marking. That’s the type of people who would want solid-state drives, he said.

I also see this as a good thing for Tablet PCs like the Motion Computing tablets and other ultra portables.
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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 07:06:40 pm »
If you think about it this has been coming for some time now. 

PDAs and MP3 players with flash storage for example. 

Some time back I read of (but never saw) compact flash adaptors that let you hook them up to an IDE cable as a "disk" drive. 

The OLPC XO uses  flash drives.  So does the eeePC.

I think that these things are pushing the idea further up the food chain as flash prices drop and capacities rise.  I wouldn't want to see Vista running on one though.
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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2007, 07:35:16 pm »
I wouldn't want to see Vista running on one though.

Just out of curiosity, why not?
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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2007, 09:11:46 pm »
I wouldn't want to see Vista running on one though.

Just out of curiosity, why not?

Two reasons:

One is that these drives are not very large and Vista would require too much of the drive just for itself.

The 2nd is that the swap file would destroy the flash drive as they have a limited number of writes.  The way Windows acts to constantly access the swap file even if you shouldn't be needing it would destroy the drive.  (Unless of course Vista have fixed that particular Windows flaw).
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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 07:30:58 pm »
Ah, I never thought about the swap file.
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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 03:36:36 pm »
There are some newer flash drives comming out with 5 million erase cycles per sector before the drive fails. They calculated the life of the drive at around 81 years, assuming 100G per day of write/erase cycles.

You would create a notebook computer that was a lot more shock resistant, and the power requirments would be signifigantly lower with solid state memory -- since you wouldn't have the power hungry HD drive motors running.

The only real block is the fact that the cost per megabyte for solid state memory is quite a bit more than traditional HD's.

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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2007, 07:58:56 am »
The only real block is the fact that the cost per megabyte for solid state memory is quite a bit more than traditional HD's.


Also the ever increasing size of operating systems and applications.

A witness to that.

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Microsoft has asked the designers of a low-cost Linux laptop intended for children in developing nations to redesign the system so it can accommodate its Windows XP operating system.

In a move sure to provoke controversy, Microsoft wants the designers of the XO laptop, available through a non-profit initiative called One Laptop Per Child, to add a port through which the storage capacity required by Windows XP can be added to the system.


Which ignores a crucial aspect of the design for the OLPC - getting the price as low as possible (target $100 not yet achieved).  It also ignores that the interace and applications package was designed (and tested) with children and learning in mind.  XP did not come designed with those goals in mind.  At least they didn't try for Vista compatiblity.  ;)
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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2007, 03:35:45 pm »
I wouldn't exactly call Linux kid friendly either you know.

Besides, microsoft can easily escape the cost problem by simply reducing or eliminating the amount they charge for XP on the laptop. Heck, donate it for free and ride it off on their corporate taxes.

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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2007, 06:14:26 pm »
I wouldn't exactly call Linux kid friendly either you know.

This is a customized distribution with an interface that is designed for teaching children.  It has been tested and is apparently quite successful.  (Named Sugar I believe.)

Besides, microsoft can easily escape the cost problem by simply reducing or eliminating the amount they charge for XP on the laptop. Heck, donate it for free and ride it off on their corporate taxes.

They also would need to pay the cost of the redesign and the extra storage just to keep the current price.  The Gates Foundation could of course afford to do so as well as buy and give away laptops by the million.
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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2007, 06:37:08 pm »
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The desktop metaphor is so entrenched in personal computer users' collective consciousness that it is easy to forget what a bold and radical innovation the Graphical User Interface (GUI) was and how it helped free the computer from the “professionals” who were appalled at the idea of computing for everyone.

OLPC is about to revolutionize the existing concept of a computer interface.

Beginning with Seymour Papert's simple observation that children are knowledge workers like any adult, only more so, we decided they needed a user-interface tailored to their specific type of knowledge work: learning. So, working together with teams from Pentagram and Red Hat, we created SUGAR, a “zoom” interface that graphically captures their world of fellow learners and teachers as collaborators, emphasizing the connections within the community, among people, and their activities.


The site gives some images of the interface as well as a lot of other information about the laptop and its reasons for being. 
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Re: New Computer Storage Tech Extends Life of Laptops
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2007, 06:58:11 pm »
An article about kids playing with the OLPC, with pictures.

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But here's the best part. After we talked a while, I see a mom with her son, about 7 or 8 walking toward us. He's pulling on her hand, and from across the room, I can see the boy's eyes are fixed on the laptop and he is grinning from ear to ear. He looked like he'd just seen a dear friend. He walked right up to the table, and I immediately turned it his way so he could play, which he did without hesitation, without a word, still grinning.

His mother was nervous, thinking maybe he'd break it, or was being rude to butt in, but I told her I wanted him to play with it, so I could see what he did. He had absolutely NO difficulty at all, asked no one any questions, ignored us all totally, and played and played and played, grinning from ear to ear the entire time.

It's a kid magnet.

He wasn't intimidated by the laptop at all. It was like it was his, that it naturally belonged to him to play with. It was so cute. They have designed something so adorable that children, I saw, are drawn to it.

Kids just get it without a manual, but we, the adults, didn't. I'm fairly geekified, but I had to read up on the OLPC site later to figure out networking (here's the Getting Started page and the Support FAQ) and also how to change the nickname on the laptop. But everything else was so easy and so much fun. The music writing application is one of the most fun things ever. It's my computer dream come true -- to be able to do activities together in real time with others. Of course, for that, I need someone else with an XO laptop nearby. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before that happens. I can't wait. I want to play with the music application, Tam Tam
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