Topic: This site shows never before seen photos of TOS, TMP and TNG studio models!!

[Panzergranate]

I found this site whilst browsing....
 
http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/main.html
                       
It shows the big differences between the TOS D6 Klingon battlecruiser and the later D7 battlecruiser models used for filming.

The TOS D6 and the TMP D7 battlecruisers are intended to NOT be the same class of ship, as some mistakenly believe that the TOS Klingon battlecruiser is a D7 and not the D6. It was always a D6 back in the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's in canon and fanon. I think it was FASA who started the TOS D7 "myth" and it sort of took off.

Also, underside details and decals (yes there were decals!!) on various piece of the hull of the TOS 11 Foot Enterprise. These were panel labels.

There is a list of what the panel labels are on the hull, and what they say.

Needless to say, all Model Please's TOS Constitutions will have all the panels marked accordingly, just for accuracy's sake and absolute perfection.

Also the engines on the TOS Romulan Warbird that everyone thinks has a ball front end, are based on the 1975 Aurora model kit, which did the engines wrong. The pictures of the actual TOS model show them as being different.

Anyhow, the site is a modeller's bonanza, especially for those fanatical about detail.

[TAnimaL]

That's a phenomenal site!

The TOS D6 and the TMP D7 battlecruisers are intended to NOT be the same class of ship, as some mistakenly believe that the TOS Klingon battlecruiser is a D7 and not the D6. It was always a D6 back in the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's in canon and fanon. I think it was FASA who started the TOS D7 "myth" and it sort of took off.

The D6/7 lookalike BCs go way back before FASA , although never called either in TOS. TMP Klink was only referred to as "K'tinga", later adopted in fanon as D7 K'tinga. The original versions of SFB in '75 had both D6 & D7... If my aging memory serves me corectly, the D6s and D7s being easliy confused comes from a on-set gag from the TOS, something like the director giving Nimoy and Shatner a hard time, and they punk'd him by having a "fight" over D6/7, the differnce between the two being where the doors were. Maybe it was in Gerrold's book "World of Star trek"? dammit, gonna have go dust that one off...

[TAnimaL]

Again, tho, fantastic site!  Even has a shot of a model of pre-conversion Nomad! That's a model the game could use!

[Vipre]

http://members.aol.com/WMccullars/Academy.html

Would make a good start for a TMP or TOS era fighter. I'd cross this with the shuttle styling from the particular era, boxy for TOS and minor changes for TMP.

[Panzergranate]

I wouldn't makeit too boxy otherwise it might be mistaken for a Kzinti.

I noticed that the K7 model kit and subsequent game models based on it, differ greatly from the actual TOS studio model.

The detail differences between the TOS Klingon D6 battlecruiser and the close up details of the TMP D7 battle cruiser studio models is intruiging.

And the explaination of why the Romulans had to use Klingon D6 battlesruisers as the Warbird model had been somehow lost.

[Vipre]

I wouldn't makeit too boxy otherwise it might be mistaken for a Kzinti.

Maybe I should have said "more angular". The difference between TOS and TNG shuttles.

[Panzergranate]

The TOS shuttles seem to be sublight Impulse Powered or Ion Powered, as in the shttle Kirk and Commodore Mendez give chase of the Enterprise in the "Cage" episode.

It is a shame that nobody has modelled the minelaying shuttles used by the various races in SFB.

I stretched a stock admin shuttle to make the multi-role shuttle (MRS), and use this as a minelaying shuttle (MLS) in scenarios.

The fact that the TOS studio model was so detailed that there was even lablled panels on the hull, such as the notice "Explosive Bolits Located Here!!" under the Warp Nachelle pylons where they join the secondary hull.

Also the underside secondary hull markings, such as the yellow-gold circle where the anti-matter pod ejection port is situated.

What surprised me was that the TOS D6 battlecruiser was slate grey all over, except for the engine nachelles, which are blue-green in colour.

There are quite a few modellers who will appreciate the close up detail of the bridge's of the TOS D6 and TMP D7, showing the major differences between the two ships, other than the secondary hull finnish.... smooth on the D6 and "Crow Feathered" finish of the D7.

Also some of the history of the models and who designed and built them.

[Vipre]

Here is a really ugly sketch of what I meant about a TOS version of the trainer. It's the same ship with fewer curves. The angles aren't right obviously.


No laughing, I just traced over the IDIC pic.

[Panzergranate]

Looks OK so far.

There would have been trainers dating back all through the hostory of Star Fleet, so why stop at TOS??

I quite like Rick Sternbech's  Gallant Class and Normandy Class fighters from the Earth - Romulan War and early UFP period, which just looked so cool.

I might have a go at one sometime in the future.

Has anyone done the SFB early period F4 and F8 yet?? There are enough pictures of them around, I even have one here somewhere.

[Vipre]

There's some chatter about the F-4, F-8 and A-6 fighters on Atra's board but not sure what the details are.

As to why stop at TOS, no particular reason. The TNG trainer would make a good base to replace the stock OP fed fighter with the right changes for each era. The TNG fighter is too bulky for my liking.

[Panzergranate]

As fighters are also supposed to operate in atmospheres, to support ground troops, etc. why are TNG ones so blunt edged??

We generally run F14 and F16 fighters in our modified SFC 1 SFBSPC13.TXT shiplist, either as ships in there own right or as squadrons launched from bases or carriers.

My son retextured an F14 in Pirate colours and "Skull and Cross Bones" motifs.

The only thing with SFC 1 is that the four fighter slots have to be pre-loaded in the shiplist before the scenario can be played.

FMSE actually allows for fighter squadron to be pre-deployed on the map before the game, which is handy for ambushes.

Running fighters for races other than the Hydrans in possible in SFC 1, but complicated to set up.

Klingon players can't buy or launch fighters BUT AI Klingon players can buy and launch fighters!!

Only the Feds, Hydrans and Orions can buy fighters, if the ship involved carries fighters.

If playing Feds only, change all the Hydran fighters for Fed types or some of them.

Don't ask why, that's how the SFC 1 runs things.

Normally we run fighters as player controlled ships and sometimes manage fighter versus fighter player piloted dogfights in LAN games.

Also, seeing some of the seemingly enormous starship models from a fighter pilots scale perspective really show the detailed texture work of some modellers and the flaws also.

[Vipre]

SFC from a fighter perspective sounds sweet.

[Rod ONeal]

There was a mod done and a campaign played on the D2 that had everyone flying PFs.

[Panzergranate]

Starships are bloody massive when vired from the fighter pilot's perspective.

As for the incoming  weapons fire....