Topic: Star Trek Online USS Excalibur (Read 5948 times)

AlchemistiD · « **on:** December 06, 2007, 01:43:42 pm »

Has anyone been working on a model for this beauty? (Besides Perpetual, of course.)

Also, check out their re-imagined Doomsday Machine.

Perpetual's blog: "Oh noes! We're DoooOOOOoooomed!"

Red_Sharif · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2007, 06:26:40 pm »

I'm just not a fan of that ship. Looks like a Galaxy / Sovereign kitbash, to a certain extent. And those nacelles are horrid, imo.

Cromwell · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2007, 06:45:13 pm »

that's a very interesting looking ship to say the least. I dunno, at first glance I was a bit bothered by its look but as I looked at the picture and anlysed the design I think I coming around to like it. I would love to see this ship made.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2007, 12:49:56 am »

Quote from: Red_Sharif on December 06, 2007, 06:26:40 pm

I'm just not a fan of that ship. Looks like a Galaxy / Sovereign kitbash, to a certain extent. And those nacelles are horrid, imo.

I have to agree, it's ugly.

intermech · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2007, 07:12:28 am »

I like it! But it looks like something that Atolm could spice up a bit.

Dizzy · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2007, 09:20:13 am »

thats cool. id love to see a take on that design. I'll offer my help on illuminated colored light maps for the scales/plates to give it a transparent like glow.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2007, 11:15:34 am »

Quote from: Dizzy on December 07, 2007, 09:20:13 am

thats cool. id love to see a take on that design. I'll offer my help on illuminated colored light maps for the scales/plates to give it a transparent like glow.

Should be able to use the existing mesh of spacecadetglowuk's that's out there and use a .TGA around the front and sides in SFC 3 to give it some transparency and get the extra effect. But that'd work only in SFC 3.. for SFC 2 we'd want to use a different illumination map to simulate the transparency, and then the glow. For SFC 1, we'd want to bake the internal glow onto the base texture, and use a slightly altered mesh for the front of the machine.. it could all be done.

Which reminds me, I need to finish play-testing my new Doomsday mesh as well and get that over to KF again so he can try it again.. so much stuff, so little time...

CC22 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2007, 11:34:45 am »

Quote from: Red_Sharif on December 06, 2007, 06:26:40 pm

I'm just not a fan of that ship. Looks like a Galaxy / Sovereign kitbash, to a certain extent. And those nacelles are horrid, imo.

I agree, perhaps mixed with that other fan fav the Akira... and the wings of a B5 Whitestar haha $:-\$

Cromwell · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2007, 01:29:07 pm »

aww tis a shame, I do so like the style, to me it feels like new train of thought.

Jay1886 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 09, 2007, 02:23:24 pm »

The concept has nicer nacelles:

Vipre · « **Reply #10 on:** December 09, 2007, 02:28:22 pm »

It's a nice concept, someone just needs to step on it and flatten it out some.

ModelsPlease · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2007, 03:52:14 pm »

It looks like the FASA Wellington and Envoy (design wise) just using different parts. Great sketch Jay1886 you have mad skills. still don't like the ship though LOL sorry.

Dizzy · « **Reply #12 on:** December 09, 2007, 04:30:56 pm »

lol, looks like a fed running with his tail between his legs... hahaha.

Vipre · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2007, 04:34:02 pm »

Quote from: Dizzy on December 09, 2007, 04:30:56 pm

lol, looks like a fed running with his tail between his legs... hahaha.

That or a dog dragging his rear across the floor.

Panzergranate · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2007, 05:49:09 pm »

The word for semi-transparent is "translucent"!!

The old TOS Doomsday Machine looked cool as it was, especially with that translucent glow.

Why muck the thing up with scales and make it ugly??

One of the best TOS episodes out and one of my favourites.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 09, 2007, 07:32:22 pm »

the doomsday machine is awsome. The ship, looks too much like a bulldog, rear to small for it's body. But, it always has potention for non-fed lovers to shoot at, so why not.

Vipre · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2007, 07:52:13 pm »

The doomsday machine sparked an idea for me. Did the backstory for the machine mention if it grew in size as it "fed" on material? I remember, I think, that the planets and materials provided fuel for it. It would help explain it's massive size if it started about the size of a standard starship and had the ability to repair itself and add to it's own size and power as it destroyed enemy units. This redesign reminds me of a seashell which is what brought the idea up.

Jay1886 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2007, 05:51:06 am »

The Excalibur concept is made by Perpetual, the ST:O developers. I merely completed the missing parts by taking several images from the trailer and drawing the bits which missed.

Cromwell · « **Reply #18 on:** December 10, 2007, 01:41:06 pm »

I still like it, the fact that it seems to almost sit up seperates it from the rest. Granted I wouldn't suggest basing a series off this one but the different look is nice I think. It seems to give the design aspect a little more room to breathe. The latest designs for star trek were starting to become condemning. It was beginning to seem that everything had to streamlined and compact. No more room for ships like the galaxy class. However this ship steps outside of that and breaks the forming pattern. I like that we can still see ships that arn't so completely aero dynamic. Did anyone else like this ship or are me and AlchemistD alone in this endeavor?

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #19 on:** December 10, 2007, 02:22:30 pm »

The design could grow on me, but a couple of issues that I find with it at the moment.

The nacelles seem too small. It looks like that ship would be lucky if it could make Warp Seven.

The secondary Hull needs to be a bit bigger A bit longer perhaps, heck I don't even see a shuttlebay on this ship.

By the size of the ship it looks to be a Cruiser, maybe a Light Cruiser.

Other than that it does look like a good ship.

Vipre · « **Reply #20 on:** December 10, 2007, 02:53:51 pm »

Quote from: Lieutenant_Q on December 10, 2007, 02:22:30 pm

The secondary Hull needs to be a bit bigger A bit longer perhaps, heck I don't even see a shuttlebay on this ship.

Second that. Slide the nacelle pylons back until the fronts just touch the neck and it'd be a start.

Need to see a profile view to get a better idea of the shape.

Cromwell · « **Reply #21 on:** December 10, 2007, 03:58:57 pm »

anyone care to guess work a profile pic for this baby? I think I'll take a stab at it tomorrow after work but be warned I am no artist lol

Jay1886 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 10, 2007, 04:24:07 pm »

This are the two other concepts they showed, posted by Suricata.

Combat vessel - sort of Intrepid mark 2 it seems to me, looks heavily armoured also, ablative for sure.

Supposed engineering or science vessel - looks a bit like steamrunner meets ds9 with defiant winglets incooperated into the hull.

Cromwell · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2007, 04:36:09 pm »

wow, nice, I like the intrepid mark 2 one, where are you getting these glorious pictures from Jay?

Vipre · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2007, 05:14:55 pm »

That "Intrepid" does indeed scream combat. All it needs is a captain who can deliver the line "We don't need to go to Red Alert, they'll be dead before our shields raise."

Panzergranate · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2007, 07:08:46 pm »

IN the TOS episode "The Doomsday Machine" Spock's scans reveal that the hull is comprised of the fictional element "Neutronium", the hardest material known to Federation science. This means that it couldn't "grow" but was possibly fashioned out of a large asteroid.

It was also an automated robot weapon with two weapons, an aniti-Proton beam weapon and the mystery field emination that renders Anti-Matter inert. That's why Photons or Anti-Matter Bombs.

The fact that it also carried the means to stop any ship calling for help via Sub Space Radio also points to the Doomsday Machine being a manufactured weapon and not a lifeform.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2007, 07:26:52 pm »

The intrepid mark 2 is also clearly an mvam because the saucer has impulse and so does the pylons, one could add tiny ancelles on the saucer on the part that sticks out.

The second variant just looks cool, for no particular reason...

AlchemistiD · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:39:54 pm »

A federation science vessel that resembles an IDIC insignia. Or am I just seeing things?

Vipre · « **Reply #28 on:** December 10, 2007, 09:55:07 pm »

Quote from: Panzergranate on December 10, 2007, 07:08:46 pm

IN the TOS episode "The Doomsday Machine" Spock's scans reveal that the hull is comprised of the fictional element "Neutronium", the hardest material known to Federation science. This means that it couldn't "grow" but was possibly fashioned out of a large asteroid.

It was also an automated robot weapon with two weapons, an aniti-Proton beam weapon and the mystery field emination that renders Anti-Matter inert. That's why Photons or Anti-Matter Bombs.

The fact that it also carried the means to stop any ship calling for help via Sub Space Radio also points to the Doomsday Machine being a manufactured weapon and not a lifeform.

I was thinking along the lines of how the Borg ships can repair themselves. As the weapon destroys ships and collects material it makes itself larger by some form of advanced replication process. This lets you build a machine 50 meters long, release it into an asteroid belt and have it increase it's own size and power. Give it a few thousand years of rogue travel through the galaxy and you wind up with the massive system killer seen in TOS.

Cromwell · « **Reply #29 on:** December 11, 2007, 12:42:19 am »

Quote from: Vipre on December 10, 2007, 09:55:07 pm

I was thinking along the lines of how the Borg ships can repair themselves. As the weapon destroys ships and collects material it makes itself larger by some form of advanced replication process. This lets you build a machine 50 meters long, release it into an asteroid belt and have it increase it's own size and power. Give it a few thousand years of rogue travel through the galaxy and you wind up with the massive system killer seen in TOS.

I really like that idea. It would really create an interesting backstory to the machine. I never saw that episode but I enjoy the doomsday machine legend with the trekkies all the same and dare say I would read a story about the creation and growth of the doomsday machine to the point where we see it. would probably be best as a short story or a simple book. just to really hype people up about the ancient piece of technology.

Panzergranate · « **Reply #30 on:** December 11, 2007, 01:02:23 pm »

It would have to refine a lot of Neutronium to "grow".

Spock traced its path as coming from another galaxy and so it had traversed inter galactic space. Unless the Borg orginated outside the Milky Way Galaxy, the weapon was intended to be the final say in some other war.

Propulsion was via "Total Conversion Drive" which may have allowed Warp Speed travel.

Defences were the hull descibed by Spock as being "Immesurably Thick and comprising of pure Neutronium", a Sub Space jamming field and an Anti-Matter Potency Neutaliser. Actually in the SFC senarios involving the Doomsday Machine, Photons and Warp Power \ Drive should be off line. Now that would make the battle more intersesting!!

Offensive weapons were the Anti-Photon Beam (lacking in the SFC Doomsday Machine so I added 8 x Ph4) and a powerful tractor beam.

Spock also pointed out that the Doomsday Machine was slightly faster than the Enterprise when at Impulse. "It is gaining on us!!"

Commadore Decker babbled on that the machine was "MIles Long with a mall that could swallow a whole fleet of starships!!". The SFC version does not do justice to how big the thing was shown next to the Enterprise when viewed from the view sceen in auxilary control onboard the USS Constellation.

Now if someone could manage the ghostly blue shimmer that was in the origninal TOS episode, there'd be something!!

If you've not seen the episode, ten you've missed out on one of the best episodes in the TOS series. You even see Kirk about to loose spicter muscle integrety in the final moments of the Constellation's existance!!

It's a shame that they couldn't have the Doomsday Machine music in the SFC senarios involving it. Next to the original Star Trek theme, it is the next most familiar music in the TOS sries.

intermech · « **Reply #31 on:** December 11, 2007, 02:52:26 pm »

I really like that science ship! I hunted down a thread about it: http://www.startrek-online.net/messageboard/showthread.php?t=11491

Cromwell · « **Reply #32 on:** December 11, 2007, 04:38:47 pm »

That's pretty crazy the detail on that model, thanks for the share Interstellar Machine. Wonder if anyon can talk him into sharing his mesh for sfc.

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