Topic: TNG Constitution Project

[atheorhaven]

Hmmmm would you rather have a miranda built from scratch... as per say in wrath of khan version... or one rebuilt, using the necelles and stuff from the gagrin tho?

From a kitbashing and development point of view, I'd say the rebuilt version would be a faster build for you. 

And if you rebuild the Gagarin into a Miranda class, you'll be reusing names for textures plus parts, which means less blanks to develop, mapping is the same, and it'll be a common base to build from for almost any platform.  So my personal preference would be a rebuild, it's quicker and takes less build time for you. But... I don't think that it'd be as clean a mesh as a build from scratch.

[AsYlUm]

OK.. i'll look into that 

[Centurus]

Zambie Zan's Miranda pack that's available for download through Outalance.

Maybe, but he doesn't model his own stuff, he converts it if I remember correctly.. (I know that he converted a good deal of the stuff I'd worked on at any rate)..

His Miranda pack he made from scratch.  MP ported it to SFC.  ZZ only ports to BC from SFC.

[Centurus]

Hmmmm would you rather have a miranda built from scratch... as per say in wrath of khan version... or one rebuilt, using the necelles and stuff from the gagrin tho?

From a kitbashing and development point of view, I'd say the rebuilt version would be a faster build for you. 

And if you rebuild the Gagarin into a Miranda class, you'll be reusing names for textures plus parts, which means less blanks to develop, mapping is the same, and it'll be a common base to build from for almost any platform.  So my personal preference would be a rebuild, it's quicker and takes less build time for you. But... I don't think that it'd be as clean a mesh as a build from scratch.

Actually it probably would.  If you really think about it, the only real parts that can be used are the impulse engines, saucer, and warp engines.  Everything else would have to be built from scratch.  And as you already know, the Gagarin is pretty kitbasher friend as she is now.  Also, he still has the original source files for the ship, so building a Miranda from that would yield a clean mesh.

[atheorhaven]

Actually it probably would.  If you really think about it, the only real parts that can be used are the impulse engines, saucer, and warp engines.  Everything else would have to be built from scratch.  And as you already know, the Gagarin is pretty kitbasher friend as she is now.  Also, he still has the original source files for the ship, so building a Miranda from that would yield a clean mesh.

True enough, but the entire Gagarin mesh is a solid piece.  As such to use the parts, he'll have to break vertices to remove the engines and saucer (which is easy enough) and then reweld once he places them on the new parts.  Where it'd save him time to rebuild though would be in using the already mapped and formed and finished parts.. he doesn't then have to redo all the work. 

But the Miranda hull assembly, pylons, rollcage/torpedo assembly would have to be built totally from scratch..

[Centurus]

Actually it probably would.  If you really think about it, the only real parts that can be used are the impulse engines, saucer, and warp engines.  Everything else would have to be built from scratch.  And as you already know, the Gagarin is pretty kitbasher friend as she is now.  Also, he still has the original source files for the ship, so building a Miranda from that would yield a clean mesh.

True enough, but the entire Gagarin mesh is a solid piece.  As such to use the parts, he'll have to break vertices to remove the engines and saucer (which is easy enough) and then reweld once he places them on the new parts.  Where it'd save him time to rebuild though would be in using the already mapped and formed and finished parts.. he doesn't then have to redo all the work. 

But the Miranda hull assembly, pylons, rollcage/torpedo assembly would have to be built totally from scratch..

Yep.

[AsYlUm]

im too nice to you guys

basic start

[Centurus]

im too nice to you guys

basic start

Damn you're quick!!!  Or perhaps you already were making one, and wanted to surprise us.  *raises an eyebrow and looks at asylum*

[AsYlUm]

Lol... no the mesh i have is still in seperate pieces allocated per the textures.. so i have spent an hour or so..

needs loads of work yet tho, again comments and suggestions welcome!

[Centurus]

Lol... no the mesh i have is still in seperate pieces allocated per the textures.. so i have spent an hour or so..

needs loads of work yet tho, again comments and suggestions welcome!

I would design a brand new torpedo pod.  :-D

[Centurus]

Hey Asylum, how often are you on MSN?  Just curious. 

[AsYlUm]

lol... only when asked.. im on now 

new weapons pod... check

[atheorhaven]

yeah im gonna agree with Centurus, deffinately needs a new weapon pod. keeping to the old miranda one wont feel right

Agreed as well.. I'd start by looking at the Akira, there's a similar sort of TNG structure there.. but I think that the pod should be sleeker than the cubism feel you get with this pod..
http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com/shipgallery/shipgallery1/akira.jpg

.. and maybe more of a Nebula feel.. but not so triangular.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h277/ffviiimaster/IN/nebula-class.jpg

And yes, you *are* being too nice..   Glad that you are though..

(did up a very VERY quick edit of the idea using the Nebula weapons pod.. the more rounded section is more, I think, the idea.  But I'd still have the pylon going through the pod instead of on top on the edit.

[Centurus]

yeah im gonna agree with Centurus, deffinately needs a new weapon pod. keeping to the old miranda one wont feel right

Agreed as well.. I'd start by looking at the Akira, there's a similar sort of TNG structure there.. but I think that the pod should be sleeker than the cubism feel you get with this pod..
http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com/shipgallery/shipgallery1/akira.jpg

.. and maybe more of a Nebula feel.. but not so triangular.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h277/ffviiimaster/IN/nebula-class.jpg

And yes, you *are* being too nice..   Glad that you are though..

I second the same motion that Atheorhaven made.  Glad that you are, and glad that you're here.   

[AsYlUm]

Thanks fellas..

so after looking at ur design and speaking to centurus on msn, i have this pod.. im gonna split the left and right sides horizontaly in the centre too..

its now all cleaned up and stuff.. some refining and detailing to be done.. 

[Starforce2]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

[Red_Sharif]

Amazing work, Asylum. 

[atheorhaven]

Thanks fellas..

so after looking at ur design and speaking to centurus on msn, i have this pod.. im gonna split the left and right sides horizontaly in the centre too..

its now all cleaned up and stuff.. some refining and detailing to be done.. 

Love the pod.. but the rollbar reminded me of something you might want to consider for an idea..

The Ent-D bridge's back wooden consoles:
https://bravofleet.com/pegasus/images/bridge-9.gif

And the Andromeda Ascendant:


I used that basis playing around to come up with a side view like this:

[AsYlUm]

roll bars, thats interesting...

so... this is by no means perminant i was just toying with a secondary hull idea.... mabey two varients.. dunno  :?

[Red_Sharif]

I'm not digging the secondary hull idea....just doesn't fit my idea of a TNG Miranda.