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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2007, 08:50:24 pm »
Once again the A team will get all the good toys

So if its the A-Team you must be Murdock.  Hexx must be Baracus (afraid of flying).  So who is Hannibal and "Faceman"
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2007, 09:11:06 pm »
I pity the fool...
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2007, 10:27:30 pm »
 I fund it strange that they include special sensors in the shiplist options of SFC 1 (don't have SFC 2 here) which actually works exactly to the SFB rules, etc., yet no ship or object in the stock shiplist actually uses them. The same with ADD 6 and ADD 12, in th the list but not used by any of the ships. This doesn't seem to work however, unlike the Special Sensors, which do.

If a ship has Special Sensors in SFC 1 Photons and Hellbores can be fired to hit at range 50!! Also tactical intelligence of targeted vessels works over a longer range, over 100!!

Still can't figure why nothing uses them in the stock game though??!!

Here's an interesting thought.... How will the SFC game sort out ESG ramming between opposing ESG equiped ships?? There is room for another programming cheat bug here.  Anyone have the SFB rules lying around to see how they say to decide this situation??!!

I generally just outrun Drones or fly past an ally who will PD them for me. However the volume of Drone the larger Kzinti warship shuck out can be qute frightening.

Seeing 20 plus Drones following one around is unnerving. Even ESG won't take out all of them if they're in staggered waves. We're playing late period so its all speed 32 Drones.  It's like watching  BSG when the Kzinti fleets open up!!

Maybe we'll do a Lyran versus Kzinti LAN campaign after the one were in finishes in a month or so. Late period of course.

The WYN converted a Wildcat destroyer into a pocket battleship by adding a third engine. Increases movement cost and turn circle but gives more power. Might be worth exploring with the L-CA+,etc.

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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2007, 07:22:26 pm »
SFC2 and OP both use a long range sensor system for ALL ships.  This costs a little engine power and extends the range to 150.  It can also be turned off at any time.  All ships also come with as little as 2, or as many as I think 7(biggest ships only) transporter mines, which can be placed within 5 via a transporter through a now dropped shield, or just simply dropped out of the back of the ship with no shield drop(just like SFB).  You can also purchase extra mines, up to a total of 12 on all ships.  These often get used for waves that have been launched at the same time, or waves that coincide, or even when a scatterpack is dropped, before it opens.

ADD6 and ADD12 work fine in SFC2 and OP, but no special sensors.

ESG fields controlled by the same team do not hit each other(ship or esg), ever.  ESG Fields when 2 different teams meet, do not hit other ESG fields, only enemy ships, drones, fighters, shuttles, and ANY mine.  Hellbores however do hit ESG fields 100% of the time.

Only way to see 20+ drones on the map at the same time would be for 3 Mirak(Kzinti) ships to have a 12 drone control, and all launch 2 loads, OR, include the drones fired from fighters, which can pump it up well above 40+.  Again, they(especially fighter drones that cluster), can be taken out with a mine. 
If you are travelling at speed 31, and speed 32 drones are launched at range 4 from a ship, they wont reach you before they run out of gas(unless you turn too much) so drones can be outlasted easily enough, provided you can do 31.  Fighter drones last I think only 1 turn(maybe 2, forget), so they run out of gas even faster, meaning at range 3 they wont hit you.

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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2007, 07:52:08 pm »
Early Dec awsome! I should be home by then  :D sign me up!  :thumbsup:
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2007, 07:54:11 pm »
Already did Mutt  :)

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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2007, 08:38:09 pm »
Great to hear from you Mutt,
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2007, 08:53:35 pm »
There were 9 Kzinti ships in the 20 plus Drone nightmare.  It was a turkey shoot for the Kzinti players. They had a whale of a time.

Anyway, this should be all about the impending Lyran civil war.

Will it be based on the LDR breakaway??

If I remember SFB correctly, the LDR rebels are kind of limited in certain larger ship classes. Could this be the handicap mentioned?? ::)

Should make for an interesting civil war. :)

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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2007, 08:56:14 pm »
Nah the LDR doesn't play any kinda of major role.
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2007, 09:05:07 pm »
So what is the civil war gonna be about??

The Lyrrans are supposed to me more civilsed than the constantly feuding Kzinti, and so need a strong motive to have a civil war.

(Any references to Lyrans in any way sharing genetic relationships with the Kzinti was not implyed in this statement!! ::))

 
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2007, 09:10:11 pm »
Nah the Lyrans (according to SFb history) are always having Civil Wars

Sides- the history of the general war doesn't really make any sense at all unless the Lyran forces are doing something else.
So, figured a cookout would be kinda boring, so they're having a war.

See there used to be this evil Lyran pilot who can not be named, and he was supposed to be the king...
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2007, 09:55:16 pm »
Wiil the loosers flee into the Wyn star cluster when it's all over?? ::)

So cattiness is just the way they are then??

The Kzinti are so far behind other races in starship design because of their constant fighting. Howcome the Lyrans managed to keep up with other races or aren't their wars so destructive??

Interestingly enough, the Kzinti predate Star Trek and Larry Niven was approached by Gene Roddenberry, who had read the Kzinti Sci-Fi books, to invite him to include the Kzintirace, in a rewritten form, into the Star Trek cannon. Hwever TOS was dropped but the story ended up in the animated series.

However, in STTMP V Gene had a Kzinti included in one scene purposefully, as homage to Larry Niven's work. The only time a Kzinti is shown on Sar Trek is in the animated series and a female fighting Kirk in a bar on a planet.

It is a shame that Gene didn't pursue developing the Kzinti in TNG.

Bearing in mind that the Mirak thing is because Larry Niven didn't give permission to use the Kzinti race in SFC 2 but did in SFB, might explain a lot about how Larry Niven's copyright of the Kzinti race is used. Paramount would hae had to strike a deal to use the Kzinti and perhaps they'd rather invent their own races. We ended up with the Cardies instead.

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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2007, 10:32:30 pm »
Panzer:

Welcome to the D2 forums...

One word of advice here, you really should try to pick up a copy (or 6) of Starfleet Command: Orion Pirates.  That's the game we play over here... ;)

Some notes on your postings:

Special Sensors have never worked in any SFC incarnation.  Photons had their ranges universally extended to 55, though for any chance to hit they need to be in proxy mode firing into a 0 shift...

Dedicated Anti Missile Defenses (SFB ADD & "defensive" Pl-D) were perfected in time for SFC II.  IIRC, SFC I adds 2xPh-3 & 1-2 power per AMD/Pl-D rack, compare the "stock" K-C7 & R-KCRS (the converted C7 battlecruiser w/3 Pl-D) to the SFB counterparts to determine the actual additions per rack.  That may be hurting your Klinks in the SFC I battles for your campaign, if you ported the D5Es over exactly, you're missing out on all the AMD (or phaser-replacement) goodness those ships "deserve"... A Kzin (even MDC) shouldn't ever land a drone on a healthy D5E / AD5 in a dedicated drone-defense stance...

Also, we're big fans on playing "what if" scenerios that have no ties to any established history.  This is one that we're anticipating, a chance to play Lyran on Lyran, and we're making up a backstory to fit our desires... :P

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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2007, 10:03:51 am »
So what is the civil war gonna be about??

The Lyrrans are supposed to me more civilsed

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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2007, 12:14:24 pm »
There will be no licking of ANY butts at the dinner table in the Lyran Empire.
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2007, 01:53:10 pm »
OK so DH claims he's "busy" "working foir a living" or some drivel like that.

probably just afraid to fly Lyran against me...

Anyway- We (by which I mean "you" ) have just over 2 months to find someone who knows how to run these things!
(Or for one of you to convince Frey to give me access and let me poke around Thor until I figure out how a server works  :o  )
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2007, 04:03:31 pm »
I've had a good poke around inside SFC 1 and there seems to be a lot of unfinished work inside it. A few incomplete features, such as ADD, etc. that are just dormant. Obviously they couldn't make it work in time for the relaese date, and so disabled it.

The Special Sensors, in SFB, are mainly an intelligence gathering facility in game and, having tested them against the rules in SFB Volume.III., they do seem to work in this capacity. A lot of properties, like mine sweeping abilities, are missing (would be so useful!!).

Actually MSB (Mine Sweeping Beam) would hae been simple to include.

I convert SFC OP and SFC 2 ship modles to SFC 1. The difference is the way in which hardpoints are tagged onto the models. It is easy to detach a model from the hardpoint tags and embed SFC 1 hardpoint tags, then position them where they should be.

As for the shiplist, I use Ship Edit and transcribe SSDs over from SFB rules. I also transcribe any modifications and upgrades. Some are just as bad as described in SFB conversions, such as the Kzinti FH and FH+, which just do not have enough power to 2 x Dis2 mounts.

We play the "What Ifs" in our LAN games, play some of the SFB mini-campaigns such as the "Red Wyn Express" and try out some of the ship designs people post up on ship schematic sites, books and in battleclinic, just to see how they'd really work out. Some really do suck!!

The "General War" didn't happened in our timeline.

I set up a custom models folder and SFBSFC13.TXT file for the LAN campaigns, which can take weeks to prepare. I'm the only one with the patience to trawl the web or create models, convert things, etc.

All SFB ships are the correct 1970's/1980's SKYTREX miniatures and not the stock game ships. Lyrans look as they should, as do the Klingons, Feds, Gorns, Romulans, etc.

We run combined SFB and FASA ships. L9s suck even more in SFB then they do in FASA!! :P The FASA ships fill in some of the gaping fleet holes in the Klingon SFB Order Of Battle very well and vice versa.

I'm contemplating making models and creating/incorporating a new race that was the principle villains in a short Sci-Fi story in a book published in the late 1960's, the Sleen.

These were nomadic molusc type creatures resembling giant snails, about juvenile Elephant sized. Their shells mounted, what for a humanoid, would be classed as a  heavy weapon. Four mounted to cover 360 Degree arcs and all controlled from a helmet. They were also pretty thick skinned/shielded and immune from hand energy type weapons in the story. Basically living tanks.

They travelled through space seeking out Class M worlds and stripped them of 80% of their vegetation and then move on. When the world has recovered after maybe a century or so, they will return and "harvest it" again. If anyone lives there or has colonised the world, tough luck, they are eliniated one way or another. Argarian colonies are another prime target on their hit list.

They have no regard for any lifeforms standing between them and the next meal.
 
Their ships were massive well armed and armoured and move in a fleet numbering thousands.

In the short story, an Earth science party, who are guests of a flying humanoid race, are caught up in defending the planet from a Sleen "harvesting". Human cunning finds a way of driving them away in the short story.

Now the Sleen would make for an interesting new race in SFB and SFC. Could plan a whole mini campaign around them.

At the moment I'm still figuring how best to model an illiustration of a Sleen ship. It is definately interestingly different and unique. No idea of colour schemes as the illustration in monotone.

Anyway, this'll the a subject for another post and discussion.

As for SFC OP and SFC 2, finding the game here in the UK and Europe is difficult. All the game shop chains here don't have or have never carried it.

At the moment I'm also busy fixing bikes as my priciple bike decided it was a good time to throw a big end bearing, just when I've everything else in my garage up on the benches undergoing major surgery. sh*t happens in salvoes sometmes!! :(

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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2007, 04:26:31 pm »
Already did Mutt :)


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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2007, 04:28:02 pm »
Oh I am so stealing that pic.
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Re: So there's these Lyrans
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2007, 04:46:17 pm »
Hexx, are you going to add that special L-CWLFNEC like we discussed loong ago - oops, forgot that was supposed to be hush hush...