Topic: Looking for TOS Mirak - NOT Kzinti, but Mirak

[FoaS_XC]

A long time ago, I remember seeing some really basic models for a TOS Rendition of Taldren's Mirak fleet, I have no idea who they were by, but I want to take a look at them.
If anyone has any information, please let me know.

[JohanobesusII]

Are you thinking of Ghost's old ships?

[FoaS_XC]

No, those are TOS Kzinti.
I think the ones im looking for were made by Skinman, but im not sure on that.

[JohanobesusII]

So the stock models are in fact Kzinti?  They look an awful lot like Ghost's.  What are Mirak ships supposed to look like?

[FoaS_XC]

No
There is the TOS-Kzinti which are just like the SFB models. Then there are the Mirak from the game. Ghosts's Fleetdocks took the Taldren stock models and put Kzinti textures on them and said "Here, look, new Kzintis!"
Crap.

What I am looking for are a couple of models, made from scratch meant to represent TOS MIRAK, and not Kzinti at all. they had nacelles which were set diagnally, like this:
The square things were missile pods.

Now, not to confuse things, but they had very very basic textures (in fact it wouldnt surpise me if they were just solid colors), and the colors were LIKE that of the Tos Kzinti, but they were not the Stock Retexures.

There was a frigate, a CA, and I think a CL - dont know for sure.

[Klingon Fanatic]

Yes, I can read.

The WIP/completed ships in question are supposedly TOS Mirak ships.

Are you sure your aren't referring to the saucers-with-round round pod engines as depicted in Star Trek: The Animated Series episode "The Slaver Weapon"? Those three Kzinti ships are at Battleclinic.

Qapla'

KF

[FoaS_XC]

Positive.

The image I posted, btw, is a Bow-on view.

[JohanobesusII]

No
There is the TOS-Kzinti which are just like the SFB models. Then there are the Mirak from the game. Ghosts's Fleetdocks took the Taldren stock models and put Kzinti textures on them and said "Here, look, new Kzintis!"
Crap.

Actually, no, they are different meshes.  They have arrow-head primary hulls like the stock models, but they are much boxier with little gold dishes, like a TOS version of what came with the game.  As for the textures, I don't know what Kzinti and Mirak ships are supposed to look like, but they are brown like the stock models.  The page only uses the word Mirak.  I don't know enough about SFB to tell the difference.

As for your ship, I don't recall ever seeing it, or if I did, I probably dismissed it because there weren't enough to replace the Mirak/Kzinti fleet.  The design looks interesting though.

[animator]

these perhaps http://members.aol.com/destynova02/myhomepage/Desty_Nova8.html I know it says kzin but these kinda fit what your saying.

[Panzergranate]

I konw what he's on about.

The ships are shown in Ship Edit 2 and 3 in the MIrak Tactical Display image selection.

The MIrak are just renamed Kzinti as the Kzinti are copyright of Larry Niven and pre-date the TOS TV series. Gene had read Larry Niven's Sci-Fi book series and invited him to write a story to incorporate the Kzinti into the TOS TV show. However TOS was axed by TV executive morons but was resurected in the Animated Series.

The Kzinti were intended to be a canon ST race in TOS, but didn't quite make it into the show, mores the pity.

The Kzinti are also shown in ST TM V briefly, when Kirk has a fight with a Kzinti female in a bar. Obviously his charisma doesn't work on all races!!

SFB uses the Kzinti under licence from Larry Niven.

Taldren obviously didn't want to do a deal and cough up dosh for a licence and so just reinvented them.

The Mirak are a knock off copy of the SFB Kzinti to avoid royalties!!

However, all the SSD details and history profile are the same as the SFB Kzinti.

There is a site dedicated to the Kzinti both in the 1960's Sci-Fi books and in SFB, ST TAS and ST TM 5.

[FoaS_XC]

I'm NOT looking for Kzinti models, and I know all about the copyright, stuff.
What im looking for was a fleet of about 3 or 4 ships that were indeed labeled specifically as TOS MIRAK, not Kzinti. They were around in the Taldren-era, Post Dominoin-of-modellers.

[Panzergranate]

Well they must be out there somewhere.

Perhaps someone has them in their personaly collectiion somewhere. I know that I never found or downloaded any Mirak ships.

The usual priority for an old SFB gamers is to track down and correct all the howling model errors in whatever version of SFC they have.

Then to start adding in non-SFB ships and races, etc.

I'm wondering if the Mirak could be used as a breakaway faction of the Kzinti, much in the same way as the LDR are used with the Lyrans??

That way it could be possible to stage a Kzinti - Mirak civil war campaign in the future.

At the moment, the Mirak don't have a history created for them, which someone needs to start creating.

Now there's a project!!