Topic: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name  (Read 13149 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Raven Night

  • Modeler
  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 670
  • Gender: Male
  • Models - Textures
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2007, 06:09:47 am »
Thats actually an interesting idea....maybe ill do a variant with smaller top nacells and the pods as you show in your pic.
Never let your ego think or act for you..........me.


Offline Shadowfleet

  • Lt. Junior Grade
  • *
  • Posts: 320
  • Gender: Male
  • Imagination - the best renewable energy source.
    • Shadows Wars
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2007, 07:14:08 pm »
My favorite is your orginal design or the suggestions by WoA. All of them are nice but that's my vote.

Offline Scottish Andy

  • First Officer of the Good Ship Kusanagi
  • Lt. Commander
  • *
  • Posts: 1086
  • Gender: Male
  • New and improved.
    • Starbase 23
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2007, 07:29:06 pm »
I think your original concept is brilliant, though the engines did need rethinking. I wasn't sure of their positioning either, but the pushed-forward look is kinda growing on me. I love the hooked beak - it looks perfect on that ship. Pic 1c in your fiirst post makes her look exactly like a hunting falcon. Please do not change that bit at all! The wings are really nice, though I do wonder about what making the wingtips slightly narrower (and thus make her nacelles look longer without lengthening them) would do to her lines.

That said, the image in Reply #21 looks really good too.
Come visit me at:  www.Starbase23.net

The Senior Service rocks! Rule, Britannia!

The Doctor: "Must be a spatio-temporal hyperlink."
Mickey: "Wot's that?"
The Doctor: "No idea. Just made it up. Didn't want to say 'Magic Door'."
- Doctor Who: The Woman in the Fireplace (S02E04)

2288

Offline Norsehound

  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 578
  • Gender: Male
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2007, 09:17:16 pm »
I like the concept and idea... some things to consider:

-Reversing the curve of the wings: have them sweep "up" instead of "down".

-elongating the nacelles: Warp nacelles didn't get stumpy until TNG.

-Nose weapon should be a Plasma torpedo: A triviality, but I always had the impression that the TOS plasma torpedo was much more powerful than the little bitty disruptor cannons of TNG.

-Change the color: every alien other than the Dominion and cardasians has ships come in green. Just a triviality... I recommend teal.

Offline Raven Night

  • Modeler
  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 670
  • Gender: Male
  • Models - Textures
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2007, 08:08:45 pm »
All good suggestions, Ill give them a try. I appreciate the input.

I went ahead and left the nacelles where they are at the moment so I could work on the mesh itself. I added impulse engines in the rear, "talons" so to speak on the warp plasma vents and worked on the "beak", smoothing it and tweaking it a bit. Here is a pic that shows the talons....put two on top and one of the bottom, like a bird of course.
Never let your ego think or act for you..........me.


Offline Starforce2

  • Bridge Commander Ambassador
  • Commander
  • *
  • Posts: 2827
    • Nightsoft SFC File Dump
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2007, 06:18:19 pm »
that last one looks nice.

Offline wrathofachilles

  • Lt. Junior Grade
  • *
  • Posts: 154
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2007, 06:34:25 pm »
Agreed, I'd love to get my hands on the finished mesh.

on a partially releated note, I sent you an email a couple of weeks ago about model permission (converting to armada) did you get it?

Offline Raven Night

  • Modeler
  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 670
  • Gender: Male
  • Models - Textures
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2007, 02:07:56 am »
that last one looks nice.

Here that thud?

Thats me falling out of my chair.
Never let your ego think or act for you..........me.


Offline Raven Night

  • Modeler
  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 670
  • Gender: Male
  • Models - Textures
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2007, 02:24:36 am »
Agreed, I'd love to get my hands on the finished mesh.

on a partially releated note, I sent you an email a couple of weeks ago about model permission (converting to armada) did you get it?

Sure, just follow our EULA.....Make sure our readme is incorporated into yours in its entirety, that credit to Nightsoft is given at the download link, and also make sure to allow open use and modding of your conversion....remember, any modification, alteration, or derivitive of Nightsoft products become Nightsoft property and fall under our liberal use policy.

In a nutshell, we own it, so anyone can edit it, even if you worked on it. They have to follow the same rules you do however.
Never let your ego think or act for you..........me.


Offline wrathofachilles

  • Lt. Junior Grade
  • *
  • Posts: 154
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2007, 05:33:02 pm »
my thanks ;)

Also Nightsoft appears to be down? this is a pity cause I am looking for a Romulan battleship to make up... something big, anything come to mind?

Offline Starforce2

  • Bridge Commander Ambassador
  • Commander
  • *
  • Posts: 2827
    • Nightsoft SFC File Dump
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2007, 06:07:22 pm »
that last one looks nice.

Here that thud?

Thats me falling out of my chair.

rotflmao. You have your moments ;D

Offline Raven Night

  • Modeler
  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 670
  • Gender: Male
  • Models - Textures
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2007, 01:56:58 am »
my thanks ;)

Also Nightsoft appears to be down? this is a pity cause I am looking for a Romulan battleship to make up... something big, anything come to mind?


The server is up....

http://www.nightsoftstudios.com
Never let your ego think or act for you..........me.


Offline Red_Sharif

  • Junior Programmer-At-Arms
  • Lt. Junior Grade
  • *
  • Posts: 163
  • Gender: Male
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2007, 02:06:52 am »
my thanks ;)

Also Nightsoft appears to be down? this is a pity cause I am looking for a Romulan battleship to make up... something big, anything come to mind?


The server is up....

http://www.nightsoftstudios.com


Domain expired?

Offline Raven Night

  • Modeler
  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 670
  • Gender: Male
  • Models - Textures
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2007, 07:48:10 am »
I asked our account exec about it. He said it was current, but I had my doubts, so I signed in to the registrar myself.....sure, its valid.

Updated yesterday lol.

I guess he thought I wouldnt check up on him.

At any rate, the site should work fine now.
Never let your ego think or act for you..........me.


Offline wrathofachilles

  • Lt. Junior Grade
  • *
  • Posts: 154
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2007, 11:37:48 am »
nope, at least not the link you posted  :-\

Offline Raven Night

  • Modeler
  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 670
  • Gender: Male
  • Models - Textures
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2007, 04:08:59 pm »
Hmm. Is anyone else having trouble surfing to the site?
Never let your ego think or act for you..........me.


Offline Starforce2

  • Bridge Commander Ambassador
  • Commander
  • *
  • Posts: 2827
    • Nightsoft SFC File Dump
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2007, 04:16:30 pm »
no.

Offline wrathofachilles

  • Lt. Junior Grade
  • *
  • Posts: 154
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2007, 05:38:47 pm »
appears to be up now, sorry for the thread hijack :) you mid if I make a low poly V'Karex and D'dmar as a battleship and dreadnought respectively?

Offline Raven Night

  • Modeler
  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 670
  • Gender: Male
  • Models - Textures
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2007, 12:31:43 am »
Yes, please, feel free.
Never let your ego think or act for you..........me.


Offline Raven Night

  • Modeler
  • Lt.
  • *
  • Posts: 670
  • Gender: Male
  • Models - Textures
Re: New Romulan...nod to TOS BOP, needs a name
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2007, 09:36:18 pm »
Ok, here is the latest. First, I noticed that the old BOP had what appeared to be 6 square impulse engines in the rear...the original model is lost, some have it, some dont, so I decided to add them. I also noted that they had a capsulated plasma caster in the nose, so I created something similar, but added one to the tail, as well as the plasma disruptor plate fore and aft, not on the original. Call it an upgrade.

Im not sure about the one on the nose. The one on the tail looks good. My idea is that now the pod is a pure disruptor bank, with two mediums and one heavy disruptor, to compliment the dual torp/disruptor plate below it.

I dont know if I explained this, but the glowing green plate you see on the nose of all of my romulans had a triple purpose...it emenates a field during warp flight, acting as the main deflector, and also can fire plasma torps or plasma bolts. it can also act as a reverse engine, as its design is similar to the rear impulse engines (no, the impulse engines in the rear are vents only, they are optimized for thrust.).

Now, to the warp engines, and why this design is similar to the old BOP. First, as it has been debated time and time again, the issue of Warp and the TOS BOP.

I say it had warp capability. It had to. However, one could say that the matter/antimatter engine was a copy of the federation design, and a crude one at best. The crystal used for the reaction was very inefficient, wasting huge amounts of fuel. Though the romulans were much better at tuning thier warp plasma to power other systems, llike weapons and such (the ships had an abundance of power, hence the ability to cloak), the engine itself gobbled fuel like it was going out of style, severely limiting the TOS BOP's range.

This takes care of the problem in "a day of terror", where scotty indicates the ship only had "simple impulse"....at that point that is all it had, as it was almost out of fuel, not enough to get the reaction going to go to warp. Only enough to menuver, and over the episode its tanks finally run dry.

Why point this out? Well, the guy that designed the ship was ousted for the design weaknesses. The new BOP (the Vdan) had a quantum singularity core, much more efficient, though still not as good as the Fed core.

So why revisit the design, a failed design in Romulan eyes? Well, Romulans were proud to serve on such a difficult ship to control, and truth be told only the best commanders were assigned to such vessels.

Now comes along the orignal designers son, and decides to exonerate his father, to show the design was sound. He redesigned the Vdan, created the D series ships, like the DDeridex, and made a name for himself.

Once he had enough clout, he revisited the BOP design his father made, and created this ship in his honor. He increased the size slightly, decreased the size of the shuttlebay, and equipped this ship with a matter/antimatter core, like his father had, with his improvements.

So, what does that mean? That means this puppy is fast...as fast as any Fed ship out there, a good match for the Defiant. Not as nimble as the Defiant, nor does it have as much armor or weaponry, but better shields, longer range and speed that matches the Fed escort.

So there you have it. Hope it didnt bore you.

Here are the latest pics, tell me if the cannons work for you guys. Remember, there isnt any smoothing applied yet.
Never let your ego think or act for you..........me.