Topic: OT: 3ds MAx R3 in Vista (Read 2881 times)

Shadowfleet · « **on:** July 18, 2007, 07:02:42 pm »

I've decided to buy a new PC to help speed up my productivity and free up some time for SFC bashing

I've got a few bases and a shadow Fleet to finish and release.

The new PC I've chosen is a laptop with tablet features and uses MS Vista. It arrives in a few days.

Has anyone been using 3ds Max version 3 with Vista? Any probs with installation or use?

Any cool tablet features to aid in my modelling endeavors?

I also ordered two books to help me learn 3ds in more detail so i can stop bashing and start doing some original work.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2007, 12:49:00 am »

Quote from: redneckf15 on July 18, 2007, 07:02:42 pm

I've decided to buy a new PC to help speed up my productivity and free up some time for SFC bashing I've got a few bases and a shadow Fleet to finish and release.

The new PC I've chosen is a laptop with tablet features and uses MS Vista. It arrives in a few days.

Has anyone been using 3ds Max version 3 with Vista? Any probs with installation or use?

Any cool tablet features to aid in my modelling endeavors?

I also ordered two books to help me learn 3ds in more detail so i can stop bashing and start doing some original work.

I don't know if anyone else here is using r3 except me.. and I'm personally staying away from that piece of cr... OS software. Too many timebombs, too much bloat, too many ways for it to call home and self destruct.

But I imagine that the biggest problem with r3 that you'll have will be the same as the problem moving to XP.. the hardware lock drivers. They were a bugger to find for XP, and I imagine now that you woon't be able to find them as Vista compatible. Might be lucky though..

MajorRacal · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:39:35 pm »

Chances are, that since Max 5 doesn't work in most versions of Vista, Max 3 will fare no better... and I've heard there are even issues if you try ro use Max 9...

Shadowfleet · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2007, 07:04:06 pm »

Laptop arrived today. Go it right after work. I probably won;t get a chance to install everything until the weekend. I keep you all posted. One note: I decided against the model with the touch screen. The model I was looking at had passive touch. I read a couple of reviews before the order that sounded good, but after I read a few scolding passive only screens pretty badly, got cold feet and changed my order before it shipped. I'll wait a gen or tow for the actiive screens to come down in $.

Does anyone know if there are plugins for SFC and BC for Max 8 or 9. If Max 3 doesn't work I might go for an upgrade.

FS2 open source is pumping out some really cool mods and they have a plugin for models but only 4 and above

I've also been looking at Milkshape and it seems pretty good. No FS2 support but it's definitely cheaper.

Thoughts?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2007, 11:00:42 am »

Quote from: redneckf15 on July 23, 2007, 07:04:06 pm

FS2 open source is pumping out some really cool mods and they have a plugin for models but only 4 and above
I've also been looking at Milkshape and it seems pretty good. No FS2 support but it's definitely cheaper.
Thoughts?

Your best bet then for porting will be Max 4.. the .MOD plugin works with it, as will the FS2 and bridge Commander plugin (if you go that way)..

Wasn't aware there was a FS2 plugin.. will have to look at it for my own useage.

(Been wanting to try playing around with that engine along with Legacy)..

MajorRacal · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2007, 11:28:34 am »

There aren't any SFC plug-ins for Max 6 and upwards. - furthest you can go is Max 5.1 (use the Max 4 plugin), but from my own experience Max 5 is incompatible with Vista...

I've no idea what you need for BC as I've never done anything for that game.

Shadowfleet · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2007, 07:45:07 am »

Looks like I'm Vista-rewed. Not only Max doesn't work but I cna;t get many of my old favorites to work either... Most of them lock up on installl. Max 3 does the hardware lock even though I apply the fix that i used to get it to work with XP.

I'm bummin' - new versions of max are not only expensive but come with time limited licenses unlike the version of Max 3 I bought and is no longer supported... plus they don't have BC or SFC plugins.

I'm out of bashing/building business until I can figure this out.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #7 on:** July 26, 2007, 10:06:20 am »

This is why I like my system: when microsoft releases to a new OS, I upgrade to the one behind it. I was on 98 until XP came out, then i upgraded to 2000. When Vista came out, I upgraded to XP.
My recommendation? wipe the damn thing and put XP on it.

MajorRacal · « **Reply #8 on:** July 26, 2007, 05:12:40 pm »

Sounds like your best bet to me too. $:-\$

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #9 on:** July 26, 2007, 06:24:38 pm »

Quote from: MajorRacal on July 26, 2007, 05:12:40 pm

Sounds like your best bet to me too. $:-\$

I don't know if its your Best bet, but its certainly your most straight forward, lol.

Shadowfleet · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:02:34 pm »

Thanks for the advice guys - I was so upset with Vista that I gave the new laptop to my wife for school. It is perfect for all the things she needs in terms of research, work and productivity. As for gaming and modelling -- Vista looks cool but is bogus.

Lock ups when installing programs that ran under XP fine and I just couldn't give up some of them up. When the bugs are out of Vista I might try again. For now I dusted off my old slow desktop and I'll just have to plod along. I'm glad I hadn't done a fresh reformat and install for the spousal unit yet.... whew!

One note for the future: If you really want Vista and your new computer is powerful enough - you might get your old programs to run using Virtual PC 2007 (free download from MS). Supposedly it will run a virtual machine for any OS right on your current computer - sucks up system resources though and can bog things down a lot. If that doesn't work. VMWare sells virtual machine software as well - license is $90 but that's cheaper than replacing all your old programs.

CYA Vista

I want my XP back!

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:34:29 am »

I was thinking, what if when we replace our PCs weget one that has room in the case to install an additional hard drive and add the HD from our old PC (WinXP and all) into the new PC? That should work, shouldn't it?

marstone · « **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:52:14 am »

Quote from: Rod ONeal on August 01, 2007, 01:34:29 am

I was thinking, what if when we replace our PCs weget one that has room in the case to install an additional hard drive and add the HD from our old PC (WinXP and all) into the new PC? That should work, shouldn't it?

It should work. I have my machine with two hard-drives each have a different version of XP on it. I can boot from either one, depending on what I am going to do.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:01:22 am »

The one thing that I'd be careful of though with the two hard drive solution though is XP's checking of hardware. What your suggesting would probably work without a hitch (or few hitches) under Windows 2000, but under XP, XP's activation is tied to the hardware in the machine. So if you pull the drive and drop it into another machine, you may have to reactivate XP.

Once reactivated though, it'd be fine..

OlBuzzard · « **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:34:13 am »

All of this is very disturbing. I'm needing to do a few maintenance items: New HD ... a little more ram .. but I plan on keeping the rest as is for now. I have vista here at work. And as long as you run Microsoft ONLY programs .. it's ok. run something else .. and it has a coronary !

Seems like ever so often Microsoft tries to sell OS that attempts to monopolize the market with all other software with its total lack of user friendly programming. But then again .. I guess when you are Microsoft .. you can pretty much do what ya want to !

AHHHHHHH !!!

MajorRacal · « **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2007, 06:18:51 pm »

Quote from: redneckf15 on July 31, 2007, 09:02:34 pm

One note for the future: If you really want Vista and your new computer is powerful enough - you might get your old programs to run using Virtual PC 2007 (free download from MS). Supposedly it will run a virtual machine for any OS right on your current computer - sucks up system resources though and can bog things down a lot. If that doesn't work. VMWare sells virtual machine software as well - license is $90 but that's cheaper than replacing all your old programs.

CYA Vista I want my XP back!

On a few of the Max forums there are people who've tried the virtual route, but again there still seem to be woeful difficulties and functional problems, and many people there seem to have found reverting to XP easier.

I've now got Max 9 running on my Vista laptop, but it isn't all plain sailing. I experience inexplicable slowdowns and hissy fits so I have to keep saving the work every few minutes (not that I've got much time for anything so far,,, And I think I need to upgrade Photoshop and Illustrator as neither of them have installed successfully either. It all kinda defeats the purpose of me getting a new machine to work on while I'm sitting on trains as I scoot about to and from wherever I'm working.

OlBuzzard · « **Reply #16 on:** August 06, 2007, 03:15:18 pm »

Anyone here remember the computer geek in the Bond movie "Golden Eye" ? ... at the end of the movie as the weapon starts re-entry !

that's kinda what a number of folk I know who have Vista feel like at the end of the day !

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