Topic: Nothing more for the public (Read 8316 times)

Terradyhne · « **on:** July 20, 2007, 09:01:33 am »

Again there has been shown to me that some mod makers and converters have no respect for the rights and thoughts of the modelmakers, so i have decided to delete all released and made by me from sources for the public and will never release anything else i make in the Future.

I say goodbye to this community and thanx to all that have helped and supported me, sorry didn't thought it will end this way but you should understand my thinking.

Adonis · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:39:39 am »

Quote from: Terradyhne on July 20, 2007, 09:01:33 am

Again there has been shown to me that some mod makers and converters have no respect for the rights and thoughts of the modelmakers, so i have decided to delete all released and made by me from sources for the public and will never release anything else i make in the Future.

I say goodbye to this community and thanx to all that have helped and supported me, sorry didn't thought it will end this way but you should understand my thinking.

Dude, if I have been thinking the way you do now, I would have left the community a long time ago.

intermech · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2007, 10:27:16 am »

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

darkthunder · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:54:20 am »

Quote from: Interstellar Machine on July 20, 2007, 10:27:16 am

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

I second that.

Scottish Andy · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:41:01 pm »

*Hurriedly rechecks all his bashes and confirms no original parts were made by Terradyne*

I would also like to note that I've only "released" one model - my Zodiac class - which is only available for DL from my own site. They were LC Amaral's ships I bashed, and I got his permission before releasing it. I'm all about credit where it is due, so everyone should be aware that if i release any models, or even display them here without releasing them, I use MP's "release notes" template. All contributors are credited.

intermech · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2007, 01:10:04 pm »

Who is the offender? We'll hunt him down!

Mackie · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2007, 01:23:27 pm »

I know i've bashed his stuff once or twice but he did give me a permission via email the first time :/
I mean, you know, I bash my stuff, so I respect all the modelers and if i did anything to offend em, I propably wouldnt get to bash their stuff :/

atheorhaven · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:48:56 pm »

I've released an amount of his stuff as well, all with permission.

Terradyhne, if there's anything that I did up that I didn't have your permission to do so, please let me know!?

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2007, 06:03:38 pm »

Quote from: darkthunder on July 20, 2007, 11:54:20 am

Quote from: Interstellar Machine on July 20, 2007, 10:27:16 am
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

I second that.

Ditto.

Terradyhne has an awesome skill at model making. He will be missed tremendously.

KF

Atolm-Rising · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2007, 06:39:33 pm »

Let him go...He has every right to be pissed. How many times does this BS have to be endured? Seriously...when will people grow up?
I know Terra and I didn't alweays see Eye-to-Eye on things, but no modeller should have to put up with this BS. So I support him and every other modeller or artist that chooses to do the same .
Remember this:
Respect and common courtesy
ask permission
No is no
No reply is not a yes, but should rather be taken as a no.

Oh, and just because we as modellers and artists post our stuff you a community...it doesn't mean its a free for all...I am totally aware that you cannot stop miss-use and other nonsense 100%, but damn it, this crap needs to be tempered. And what peeves me the most is that this seems to be becoming more and more prevalent...so sorry mates I cannot disway a modeller from leaving or being pissed, rather I will support it(as I am here).
We and our work are NOT extensions of other people's whims.
Now I know a good amount of you, so I know that all you are solid well -meaning guys...but you honestly cannot expect us not to get pissed-off about this kind of stuff.
So before you cry for people to "come back" and "don't leave", how about you really take a minute to fill that person's shoes, and see where they are coming from.

Terra, Good luck mate.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2007, 07:30:00 pm »

Yeah, i don't release my stuff because of why again?

OlBuzzard · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2007, 08:49:42 pm »

Kinda sad really!

Perhaps some day "respect" will be the one word we will all have a better understanding of and be more willing to comply with.

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #12 on:** July 20, 2007, 10:32:17 pm »

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on July 20, 2007, 07:30:00 pm

Yeah, i don't release my stuff because of why again?

For you it is simple...

You like to work on allot of projects but as you get close to finishing one you move to the next and when you get 20+ WIPs going you finally complete one. You then think this is a good days work and go to bed in the morning you wake up and find your PC crashed during the night and wiped out all your HDDs. Since you like me never really back anything up "poof" all the work is gone and you don't have anything left to release anymore

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #13 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:01:02 pm »

Quote from: GotAFarmYet? on July 20, 2007, 10:32:17 pm

Quote from: Furyofaseraph on July 20, 2007, 07:30:00 pm
Yeah, i don't release my stuff because of why again?

For you it is simple...

You like to work on allot of projects but as you get close to finishing one you move to the next and when you get 20+ WIPs going you finally complete one. You then think this is a good days work and go to bed in the morning you wake up and find your PC crashed during the night and wiped out all your HDDs. Since you like me never really back anything up "poof" all the work is gone and you don't have anything left to release anymore

Too too true.

Raven Night · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2007, 02:37:36 am »

I've had this happen to me too many times to count. We have open modding permissions, but there are a few simple restrictions...I ask that the original readme be included, the original mesh maker be consulted and permissions secured (the biggest offense...just because I say yes does not mean one can tromp all over LC or Moonraker...they built the mesh, they deserve thier fair share of the credit.), and the models not be used in any for-profit product. Finally, NOONE can restrict usage of our meshes if they do a kitbash based on it, period. If you use our design to make your model, anyone can bash it, but they have to follow our original requirements. Simple.

It seems that people decide that open release means open party. We dont have to release this stuff for free guys. Even the guys that dont actually build the models...I used to be one of them, just designed the concepts, Atolm was one too....we at least deserve some kind of nod.

I hope you will reconsider, but I understand your frustration and feel your pain.

manitoba1073 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2007, 02:51:45 am »

when and where did this happen Terra. looks like its more bustung caps time i see.

Anthony Scott · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2007, 03:05:38 am »

Bummer Terra. You will be missed.

Does this mean that some of the stuff that I have done in Photoshop with your models should be deleted?

Semper Fi, Carry On

Terradyhne · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2007, 04:33:19 am »

Someone from the A2 community is using and converting my SFC models for his A2 mod without asking for permission and even shows pics in an public A2 place.
Thats the reason why i decided to make not more releases for the public since this guy is doing this again and again.

Terradyhne · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2007, 04:49:36 am »

Got an e-mail of this guy in the past mins that has the ask for permission in it and it explains that the post of the pics should have been some kind of asking for permission.
I told him that he always should ask for permission via e-mail and if there is no answer that it means no.

!'m still thinking over this problem and decide if i will release or let somone convert models from me for the public.

Atolm-Rising · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2007, 06:41:57 am »

Quote from: Terradyhne on July 21, 2007, 04:49:36 am

Got an e-mail of this guy in the past mins that has the ask for permission in it and it explains that the post of the pics should have been some kind of asking for permission.
I told him that he always should ask for permission via e-mail and if there is no answer that it means no.

!'m still thinking over this problem and decide if i will release or let somone convert models from me for the public.

Better late than never I guess...
Whichever you decide to do, I'll back your decision, as this is about principles.
Again I'll say Good-luck mate.

intermech · « **Reply #20 on:** July 21, 2007, 09:29:56 am »

Those A2 guys really get under my skin, they bury sod importers and then ban people from boards for posting information about sod conversion because they are so scared of people stealing their low-poly work and then they go and steel stuff from another group who has a good-faith open-model file format community? Makes me absolutely sick!

TheHalfMonte · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2007, 10:07:58 am »

Quote from: Atolm-Rising on July 21, 2007, 06:41:57 am

Quote from: Terradyhne on July 21, 2007, 04:49:36 am
Got an e-mail of this guy in the past mins that has the ask for permission in it and it explains that the post of the pics should have been some kind of asking for permission.
I told him that he always should ask for permission via e-mail and if there is no answer that it means no.

!'m still thinking over this problem and decide if i will release or let somone convert models from me for the public.
Better late than never I guess...
Whichever you decide to do, I'll back your decision, as this is about principles.
Again I'll say Good-luck mate.

Maybe, but this is such elementary crap that I can't help laughing in disgust. The general policy for public model use in the SFC community has more or less been the same for almost a decade and applies to nearly every instance of mod theft I'm privy of - if modifications are made for one's personal enjoyment, it obviously doesn't apply. However, if they're made with the intent of public distribution, you need to ask the owner before you so much as zip the file and upload it into e-mail. Assuming you're given the okay, you need to ensure that appropriate credit is accurately indicated in a seperate readme document. And last, but certainly not least, you can't, under any circumstances, draw or accept a profit for it.

It sucks that someone is lending serious thought to quitting modeling, but when people can't follow simple instructions that a non-modder could tell you. . .

OlBuzzard · « **Reply #22 on:** July 21, 2007, 11:28:14 am »

Quote from: Atolm-Rising on July 21, 2007, 06:41:57 am

Quote from: Terradyhne on July 21, 2007, 04:49:36 am
Got an e-mail of this guy in the past mins that has the ask for permission in it and it explains that the post of the pics should have been some kind of asking for permission.
I told him that he always should ask for permission via e-mail and if there is no answer that it means no.

!'m still thinking over this problem and decide if i will release or let somone convert models from me for the public.
Better late than never I guess...
Whichever you decide to do, I'll back your decision, as this is about principles.
Again I'll say Good-luck mate.

IMHO .. this is the primary thing right here ! Well said buddy !

manitoba1073 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 22, 2007, 02:13:13 am »

Quote from: TheHalfMonte on July 21, 2007, 10:07:58 am

Quote from: Atolm-Rising on July 21, 2007, 06:41:57 am
Quote from: Terradyhne on July 21, 2007, 04:49:36 am
Got an e-mail of this guy in the past mins that has the ask for permission in it and it explains that the post of the pics should have been some kind of asking for permission.
I told him that he always should ask for permission via e-mail and if there is no answer that it means no.

!'m still thinking over this problem and decide if i will release or let somone convert models from me for the public.
Better late than never I guess...
Whichever you decide to do, I'll back your decision, as this is about principles.
Again I'll say Good-luck mate.

Maybe, but this is such elementary crap that I can't help laughing in disgust. The general policy for public model use in the SFC community has more or less been the same since for almost a decade and applies to nearly every instance of mod theft I'm privy of - if personal modifications are made for one's personal enjoyment, it obviously doesn't apply. However, if they're made with the intent of public distribution, you need to ask the owner before you so much as zip the file and upload it into e-mail. Assuming you're given the okay, you need to ensure that appropriate credit is accurately indicated in a seperate readme document. And last, but certainly not least, you can't, under any circumstances, draw or accept a profit for it.

It sucks that someone is lending serious thought to quitting modeling, but when people can't follow simple instructions that a non-modder could tell you. . .

Yeap its been that way always. I went to all the trek communities long ago to try to bring everyone together on that way for awhile it did work. but you get some here and there that just wont listen.

Mackie · « **Reply #24 on:** July 22, 2007, 07:31:13 am »

I almost pooped me pants there a bit ago :p
still sucks that youre bailing terra but im sorta selfishly relieved that it wasnt me who pissed in your cereals because... you know. I drink alot. And im not always that sure where the toilet is. $:-\$ ...and with enough tequila, you cant tell the difference between a cereal bowl and the toilet bowl. Even less the difference between your girlfriend and your... well... im not going there.

Panzergranate · « **Reply #25 on:** July 24, 2007, 12:51:38 pm »

I think that Terra does have a point though.

I mean, the dude is taking away Terra's right to create models for A2 by pre-empting him with Terra's own work!!

I used to, and still do occasionally, for some motorcycle magazines. I've found my work plagarised all over some sites but I see that more as homage rather than an insult.

However, if I was planning to, at some future date, supply a feature to a site or magazine ut discovered that some SOB had somehow obtained my work, tagged it as his or her own and had it published then I'd be extremely pissed off!!

If Terra was planning to post A2 versions of his models then he's been denied that option now.

It is a curtesy to just ask, "May I convert one of you models to this game format??"

I convert some SFC 2, EW and OP models to SFC 1 so I can use them privately. However if I posted these models as SFC 1 version I would seek the original owner's permission due to the fact that all I've done is a bit of data jugling and not creativity.

I always add a credits list and state, if the design was from a book, the author and book as well. Don't forget there is copyright on ships in literature as well!! <Pauses to imaging "Models Please" contemplating if he should contact Jackills for permission of his recent excellent releases!! And then remembers being guilt to same misdemeanor!!>

Copying stuff to another game format without permission is a strict NO NO!!

I recently gave permission for something to be crossed over to A1 which was OK with me. It is nice to know these things.

Scottish Andy · « **Reply #26 on:** July 24, 2007, 01:42:02 pm »

I got an email back from Lord Schtupp that literally rocked me back in my chair when I read it.

He told me: "...you rock!"

I'd asked him for permission to use his shuttlebay mesh and textures in my own kitbashing. And he told me I rocked for just asking.

While it made me in particular feel very good for doing so, it made me feel kinda bad for the community in general that so much gratitude was displayed for such a simple act of patience and courtesy.

Courtesy costs us nothing - with the possible exception of a little time. So be courteous - or I'll start swearing at you!

Starforce2 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 24, 2007, 03:50:58 pm »

Quote from: Scottish Andy on July 24, 2007, 01:42:02 pm

I got an email back from Lord Schtupp that literally rocked me back in my chair when I read it.

He told me: "...you rock!"

I'd asked him for permission to use his shuttlebay mesh and textures in my own kitbashing. And he told me I rocked for just asking.

While it made me in particular feel very good for doing so, it made me feel kinda bad for the community in general that so much gratitude was displayed for such a simple act of patience and courtesy.

Courtesy costs us nothing - with the possible exception of a little time. So be courteous - or I'll start swearing at you!

Did he by chacne hint at finishing anything in his wip folder? And schtup does rock, he gave me the ok to use alot of his tos (along with atra) in my never finished tos BC mod. I might finish it, but I've been secretly hoping for the last 2-3 years that schtupp would finish those killer carriers.

Star Dragon · « **Reply #28 on:** July 28, 2007, 08:27:01 am »

Whew! For a moment I thought I might have been the culprit just because I asked!

Since I didn't see a reply I figured Terra didn't see the original post so I was gonna wait 2-3 more months before I bothered him again to "bring my request to his attention".

---
If I had ever taken no reply as a yes it was only when certain individuals were unreachable (ie) "This person has been away from the CNC community over a year and with no contact info, but you could leave them a pm anyway..."

In which case Pm was left, meshes credited, and if any controversy arose in the future they would be pulled with no hesitation and no questions asked.
---

So Terra... This might be a bad time to ask, but would you consider my request I posted about your K'T'Kara?

I only DL'ed it the day it was posted, I haven't even unpacked it... (points to menagerie of files I compulsively DL even if I never touch them, meh I need to save up for another 300gb external drive, I got like 40 mb left...)

No or no answer means I delete it next time I trim the HD inventory

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #29 on:** July 28, 2007, 11:02:24 am »

Quote from: Star Dragon on July 28, 2007, 08:27:01 am

I need to save up for another 300gb external drive, I got like 40 mb left...)

No or no answer means I delete it next time I trim the HD inventory

What?
You don't have a CD\DVD burner to back them up to?
What about gettting a memeory stick, or a external backup drive?
Most of these storage solution you can get for well under 100 USD and don't require you opening the case to modify your PC.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #30 on:** July 28, 2007, 11:09:16 am »

Newegg just had a deal: 400 gig for $80 - doubt its still up, but newegg is still the best place to get great deals.

Star Dragon · « **Reply #31 on:** July 28, 2007, 11:36:52 am »

Well I run XP so i don't know if that or my old rig that WON'T recognise my 300gb internal, it says I have like 127gb... I bought a 300gb external it recognises. 400gb for $80.00? might need to wait for the next comp show I can only pay cash (no CC anymore).

My priority right now is to scape by and possibly by Christmas get a decent rig. I can't play any of the newer games, mainly cause I need shader 2.0+ tech and that is on PCI-E cards. My rig probably can't take that kind of motherboard anyway so might as well get a whole new rig. I've had this comp for like 5 years

p4 1.8ghz
768mb DDR ram
generic 256mb ATI (like a 9025?)

My previous comp was:
a PII 400
256mb pc100
ATI 32mb All-In-Wonder

Oh and my DVD/CD rw stopped working right long ago. They run but never correctly make discs (tried diff brands). I was thinking of getting an external one but other stuff take priorities. I'm working all the overtime I can get just to cover some RL expenses... Let's just say I thought I was middle class 10 years ago, turns out I've been working poor the whole time.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #32 on:** July 28, 2007, 12:15:21 pm »

Oh dude I feel your pain.

My last rig (maybe 4 months ago) was this:
800 MHz p3
256 MB ram
Onboard Vid
Nvidia MX 4000 (PCI) vid card
40 GB HD

This Rig (again, 4 months old)
2.2 GHz AMD Athlon 64
2GB ram
Onboard GeForce 6100 nForce 405
GeForce 6200 LE
(and i took the Nvidia 4000 MX from the old rig; yes, im running 3 vidcards)
HD 1: 160 GB (20 Gigs left)
HD 2: 400 GB

take out the 400 GB, add in the case and power supply it cost me about $400. (invoice says $371, but i had to get a fan and other stuff). I already had a DVD burner and all that stuff.
The old rig still works - I use it as my TV (watch DVDs on it).
I like me a newegg ^_^.

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #33 on:** July 28, 2007, 01:22:53 pm »

Then do the next thing that will not cost a dime.

Ask in the forum if anyone will give you space to store things on. I use to store things on Mackies site when I needed space and did not want to permanetily lose items. Most ppl here could probably give you some space.

FoaS_XC · « **Reply #34 on:** July 28, 2007, 01:48:08 pm »

Quote from: GotAFarmYet? on July 28, 2007, 01:22:53 pm

Then do the next thing that will not cost a dime.

Ask in the forum if anyone will give you space to store things on. I use to store things on Mackies site when I needed space and did not want to permanetily lose items. Most ppl here could probably give you some space.

Good call.
I'd be more than willing to set up an FTP account for you.

Star Dragon · « **Reply #35 on:** July 29, 2007, 07:07:36 am »

I did not know that. (when MP gave me the badge for my siggy I figured it was as an associate member).
I didnl;t know I had like benefits!

Regardless, I'll just prep stuff for finishing and use my usual site for storage. Lack of activity in 30 days and they go away. That's usually good enough for me.

http://upload2.net/

Quick easy, no limits, no registration, and no stupid verification stuff (i think)..

Red_Green · « **Reply #36 on:** August 08, 2007, 01:12:07 pm »

Terra, Not releasing to the public makes sense to me. You can always still release to other modelers you trust. Releasing to the general public will always lead to misuse because there will always be 1 or 2% that will do whatever they want with no regard for protocol. People that do that will never change either, they are what they are.

What I found disappointing, was an original design I did was done by someone else. That area is a bit grey as well. Its one thing to redesign a Canon ST ship because that goes on every day and everyone knows who the rights for the ST based design belong to. But when someone else comes up with a ship that looks 90% similar to your non ST original design,only maybe they drop the back wings, then thats a bit unnerving.

I stepped back and took a look at how to proceed and came to the conclusion that as this was only one of my hobbies. It just isn't worth the frustration of displaying my work in these types of forums, where all it takes is 1 or 2 people to disrupt things. Also since no money is involved it does not make any sense to spend too much time or resources trying to police things.

The bright side for me is I was able to take about 10% of the skills I learned in this forum and transfer that into a business that is not related to ship modeling in any way. Amazingly I, who was once a modeling junkie, have found there are other things in life that are more rewarding.

Terra, wish you luck in what ever you decide. Don't rule out never releaseing again though, sometimes just a break is good enough but everyone has to determine when enough is enough.
Regards,
James aka red_green - ship_rods -Model_Peon and general nut case at times but as long as I cause a few morons some grief I'll be doing some good

Star Dragon · « **Reply #37 on:** August 10, 2007, 03:29:52 pm »

Hey RG, that should not have discouraged you.

Look at the telephone. Independently made on opposite sides of the Globe, we remember BELL cause he got the patent first.
Same for models, it happens...

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