Topic: Shotgun Taser shell

[Nemesis]

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The new projectile, known as XREP can be fired from a standard shotgun. A barbed electrode sticks to the target on impact. The rest of the projectile then falls away on a short tether and another spiked electrode makes a second contact point on the target. This ensures that the two electrodes are sufficiently spaced out to affect the entire body.

The six-dart launcher called Shockwave has several barrels pointing in different directions. When discharged, it fires six Taser darts across a twenty-degree arc. The shock delivered by each dart lasts for five seconds, but the controller can reactivate them to give additional five-second discharges.

I could use one of these during various sporting finals like the World Cup. 

[Javora]

They won't think it's so great when someone gets shot in the eye.  They have had similar results with other so called non-lethal projectiles.

[Just plain old Punisher]

They won't think it's so great when someone gets shot in the eye.  They have had similar results with other so called non-lethal projectiles.

Mom...is that you?

[Sirgod]

LOL, It's all fun and games, untill someone takes a shotgun Taser to the face.

Stephen

[Nemesis]

They won't think it's so great when someone gets shot in the eye.  They have had similar results with other so called non-lethal projectiles.

A police officer points a shotgun at you and gives instructions:  Say "Yes Officer" and obey them.

That is not the time to point out any objections to his actions.

[Javora]

They won't think it's so great when someone gets shot in the eye.  They have had similar results with other so called non-lethal projectiles.

Mom...is that you?

 

Yes dear its me, time to put up your minions...err little green toy solders and go to bed it's past your bedtime.  Your can play world domination tomorrow.  And don't forget to brush your teeth this time.

/ 

[Javora]

They won't think it's so great when someone gets shot in the eye.  They have had similar results with other so called non-lethal projectiles.

A police officer points a shotgun at you and gives instructions:  Say "Yes Officer" and obey them.

That is not the time to point out any objections to his actions.

Woman Hurt In Red Sox Celebration Dies
College Student Shot In Eye By Police Projectile
Boston Police Accept Blame For Woman's Death

(AP) BOSTON A 21-year-old college student died Thursday of a head injury after a clash between police and a crowd of Red Sox fans celebrating their team's victory over the New York Yankees in the streets outside Fenway Park.

Victoria Snelgrove, a journalism major at Emerson College, was shot in the eye by a projectile fired by an officer on crowd-control duty. The nature of the projectile was not immediately identified but the weapons are meant to be non-lethal.

During a news conference carried live on local television stations, Boston Police Commissioner Kathleen O'Toole expressed the department's sympathies to Snelgrove's family and said the agency "accepts full responsibility for the death of Victoria Snelgrove."

"The Boston Police Department is devastated by this tragedy. This terrible event should never have happened," O'Toole said.

Snelgrove was among 16 people hurt in Boston's Kenmore Square neighborhood early Thursday morning, after thousands of fans took to the streets to celebrate the Red Sox winning the American League pennant. She died at Brigham and Women's Hospital later in the day.

"It appears from evidence we have reviewed thus far that Tori was killed when she was hit in the eye by a projectile fired as officers tried to control mobs outside the ballpark," O'Toole said. "Designated officers were equipped with less-lethal systems that use projectiles designed to break upon impact, dousing the target with (pepper-like) spray."

O'Toole and Mayor Thomas Menino pledged to fully investigate the incident.

Snelgrove's father, Rick Snelgrove, expressed outrage and said his daughter did nothing wrong. Standing outside the family home in Bridgewater, he held up a photograph of his smiling daughter.

Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and police commissioner Kathleen O'Toole have vowed thorough investigations into Victoria Snelgrove's death.

"What happened to her should not happen to any American citizen going to any type of game, no matter what," he said. "She loved the Red Sox. She went in to celebrate with friends. She was a bystander. She was out of the way, but she still got shot. Awful things happen to good people. My daughter was an exceptional person."

A police officer was among the others injured in the melee, but none of the other injuries were severe.

City officials announced there would be a heavy police presence in Kenmore Square after they were caught understaffed when riots broke out when the New England Patriots won the Super Bowl on Feb. 1.

In the Super Bowl aftermath, a 21-year-old man visiting his brother at Northeastern University was killed and a Northeastern student was critically injured when a vehicle plowed into a crowd of revelers.

The new Boston Police Command Center has been in use as the Red Sox advanced through the playoffs. Inside, police watch views from 50 cameras around the city as they coordinate with several agencies, including State Police, the Boston Fire Department and even some college police forces. It was first used during the Democratic National Convention in July. The cameras were installed on top of the ballpark and other locations.

Early Thursday morning, several small fires were set, fireworks shot into the sky, a trash can was thrown at a fast-food restaurant sign and numerous fights broke out. Boston police reported eight arrests, mostly for disorderly conduct, though one arrest was for assault and battery on a police officer.

Snelgrove transferred to Emerson from Fitchburg State College a year ago and was a junior majoring in broadcast journalism, said her academic adviser, Janet Kolodzy.

A memorial service was being planned and grief counselors would be on hand to help students deal with Snelgrove's death, Rosen said.

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So what happens in cases like these where no instructions were given and the victim was a innocent bystander?  This is exactly why I'm not a fan of these types of weapons as police get the mentality that these weapons are "non-lethal" and can become reckless in its use.  As much as I hate to say it, the police are not always right in what they do and what I posted above is a clear example of that.

[Nemesis]

So what happens in cases like these where no instructions were given and the victim was a innocent bystander?  This is exactly why I'm not a fan of these types of weapons as police get the mentality that these weapons are "non-lethal" and can become reckless in its use.  As much as I hate to say it, the police are not always right in what they do and what I posted above is a clear example of that.

I'm not a fan of sports fans taking to the streets and taking the law into their own hands.  Anyone who is present during such a "riot" should know that they are in danger from the rioters and depart.  If they stay they are just part of the problem and therefore are not innocent bystanders. 

How would you have cops stop a riot?  Harsh words just don't work.  Deadly weapons should be a last resort.  That leaves these weapons that are not intended to be deadly or permanently wounding though accidents happen.

[Javora]

I'm not a fan of sports fans taking to the streets and taking the law into their own hands.  Anyone who is present during such a "riot" should know that they are in danger from the rioters and depart.  If they stay they are just part of the problem and therefore are not innocent bystanders. 

How would you have cops stop a riot?  Harsh words just don't work.  Deadly weapons should be a last resort.  That leaves these weapons that are not intended to be deadly or permanently wounding though accidents happen.

That's the problem, she may have been trying to depart and was killed in that process.  Since the police department took full responsibility for her death I have no problem thinking that she in fact was an innocent bystander.

The last time they had a problem like that at the Michigan capital the cops ordered people to leave and gassed them.  The ones that remained got hit with more gas and rubber bullets.  Wasn't perfect but at least no one died, and the bystanders had more of a chance to get the heck out of there.  That would be my best guess on how you stop a riot.

My point to all of this is that police seems to be focusing on single target projectiles when that is not what a shotgun's primary focus is, and these projectiles still have the ability to kill.  They already have a Taser and that seems to work pretty well, this seems like over kill to me.  Not to mention that it gives police one more type of shotgun round to worry about, depending on if they already use both slugs and buckshot or not.  If this is made just for the "wow" factor then fine, but I don't see a whole lot of practical use for this when there are already options available to use.

The article is a cool read, and it's neat that they can do that I just don't see the need for it.

[Anthony Scott]

Where can I get some? It would be far better to have those loaded than my usual load.

Semper Fi, Carry On

[Just plain old Punisher]

I'm not a fan of sports fans taking to the streets and taking the law into their own hands.  Anyone who is present during such a "riot" should know that they are in danger from the rioters and depart.  If they stay they are just part of the problem and therefore are not innocent bystanders. 

How would you have cops stop a riot?  Harsh words just don't work.  Deadly weapons should be a last resort.  That leaves these weapons that are not intended to be deadly or permanently wounding though accidents happen.

That's the problem, she may have been trying to depart and was killed in that process.  Since the police department took full responsibility for her death I have no problem thinking that she in fact was an innocent bystander.

The last time they had a problem like that at the Michigan capital the cops ordered people to leave and gassed them.  The ones that remained got hit with more gas and rubber bullets.  Wasn't perfect but at least no one died, and the bystanders had more of a chance to get the heck out of there.  That would be my best guess on how you stop a riot.

My point to all of this is that police seems to be focusing on single target projectiles when that is not what a shotgun's primary focus is, and these projectiles still have the ability to kill.  They already have a Taser and that seems to work pretty well, this seems like over kill to me.  Not to mention that it gives police one more type of shotgun round to worry about, depending on if they already use both slugs and buckshot or not.  If this is made just for the "wow" factor then fine, but I don't see a whole lot of practical use for this when there are already options available to use.

The article is a cool read, and it's neat that they can do that I just don't see the need for it.

I say it's their own fault for getting in the way of police taster-rounds.

[FPF-DieHard]

Serves her right for being a Red Sox fan

[Nemesis]

The last time they had a problem like that at the Michigan capital the cops ordered people to leave and gassed them.  The ones that remained got hit with more gas and rubber bullets.  Wasn't perfect but at least no one died, and the bystanders had more of a chance to get the heck out of there.  That would be my best guess on how you stop a riot.

Of course the gas will kill some on occasion who turn out to be allergic to it.  Just as will most "non lethal" systems there will be fatalities.