Topic: Absolutely Desperate. (Read 4960 times)

Alphageek · « **on:** June 17, 2007, 06:24:04 pm »

Last night's Doctor Who was a total winner. However, I had to watch it on YouTube because, for the first time in 3 years, I can't find a good torrent for the episode. If there are any kind souls who have a good torrent for "Utopia" I'd be eternally grateful to you for sending it my way. Die Hard, I'm looking at you.

Here's a little something I found that's a perfect celebration of the main plot point of Utopia. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXBm1b-CSBA

Lepton · « **Reply #1 on:** June 17, 2007, 07:02:37 pm »

Have you tried www.eztvefnet.org?

I would supply a direct link to a torrent file, but I am not sure what the forum policy is on bittorents and commercial television.

Generally, I check there or at mininova.org which for some reason will actually have the EZTV torrents before EZTV has them on their own site.

Sirgod · « **Reply #2 on:** June 17, 2007, 07:08:30 pm »

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/

Stephen

Alphageek · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2007, 07:47:14 am »

Rock on, Lepton. I got an awesome torrent on that EZTV site.

Stephen, TV Links is a sweet site. I tend to browse a lot through there. They've got a huge chunk of William Hartnell's first season on there too.

Plus one to both of you. Thanks for helping out a major Who junkie.

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2007, 11:23:37 am »

That episode was un-believable, this show just keeps getting better and better. No US SciFi show, including BSG, touches BSG.

Strafer · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2007, 12:12:17 pm »

I think that was a typo DH.

"This new regeneration!.. it's a little cheeky!"

F9thRyker · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2007, 04:31:29 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee41oEmstcY

(Part 5 of 6)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS42Ou1Y9Tg

(Part 6 of 6)

Wow. Just... wow - this has to be the finest hour of this 40 year old show. Absolutely mind-blowing.

And theres still the final two parts of this story to go - "The Sound of Drums", and "The Last of the Time Lords"...

[Check out Delgado's voice in the watch - "Destroy him, then you will give your power to me"... followed by Ainley's laugh... Tres cool]

Hexx · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2007, 04:40:50 pm »

Quote from: FPF-DieHard on June 18, 2007, 11:23:37 am

That episode was un-believable, this show just keeps getting better and better. No US SciFi show, including BSG, touches BSG.

If *I* was BSG I'd touch myself...

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #8 on:** June 18, 2007, 04:48:29 pm »

Quote from: Hexx on June 18, 2007, 04:40:50 pm

Quote from: FPF-DieHard on June 18, 2007, 11:23:37 am
That episode was un-believable, this show just keeps getting better and better. No US SciFi show, including BSG, touches BSG.

If *I* was BSG I'd touch myself...

Boring Short Guy?

Alphageek · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2007, 06:29:16 pm »

Quote from: Hexx on June 18, 2007, 04:40:50 pm

Quote from: FPF-DieHard on June 18, 2007, 11:23:37 am
That episode was un-believable, this show just keeps getting better and better. No US SciFi show, including BSG, touches BSG.

If *I* was BSG I'd touch myself...

From what I've heard about you, NOT being BSG hasn't stopped you from doing that.

Lepton · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2007, 07:31:34 pm »

I'm not sure what show you guys were watching but I thought it was pretty standard and a bunch of fluff. Oh, really. It's the Master. Who could have guessed??!!! <Obvious alert!!!!>

For this particular Doctor Who show, nothing can beat the episodes leading up to and including where Rose looks into the heart of the TARDIS and vanquishes the Daleks for what should have been the final time. Everything after that has been downhill. How long can this show keep banking on Daleks, the Master, and running away from silly monster things? It' just seems sad to me.

Strafer · « **Reply #11 on:** June 18, 2007, 07:53:50 pm »

Doctor vs Master is Holmes vs Moriarty. Equal and opposite.
I must admit, at first viewing I had missed the Face of Bo/screen interaction for the YANA abbreviation.

Alphageek · « **Reply #12 on:** June 20, 2007, 05:44:54 am »

Quote from: Lepton on June 18, 2007, 07:31:34 pm

I'm not sure what show you guys were watching but I thought it was pretty standard and a bunch of fluff. Oh, really. It's the Master. Who could have guessed??!!! <Obvious alert!!!!>

For this particular Doctor Who show, nothing can beat the episodes leading up to and including where Rose looks into the heart of the TARDIS and vanquishes the Daleks for what should have been the final time. Everything after that has been downhill. How long can this show keep banking on Daleks, the Master, and running away from silly monster things? It' just seems sad to me.

It was a good episode, but I'm baffled by the hype around it. It's not like this is the first time the Master has come back from the dead in some improbable fashion. Neither is this the first three part story about his return. For those of us who were watching back in the 80s, we can remember the "Master Returns" trilogy: The Keeper of Traken (the Master attempts to take control of an ultimate power source to extend his life, fails, and escapes after hijacking someone's body), Logopolis (the Master lays a trap for the Doctor, inadvertantly unleashes unstoppable forces that are destroying the universe, has to cooperate with the Doctor to stop it, and, in the process, kills off the 4th Doctor), and Castrovalva (the Master lays a series of traps for the newly-regenerated Doctor, one of which includes sending the Doctor's TARDIS back to the Big Bang, the other involving a simulation of a theraputic location to aid the Doctor in healing from his difficult regeneration--the trap fails and the Master is caught in his own nasty surprise in what appears to be a fatal manner).

Utopia was really just a vehicle for reintroducing the Master and had no real plot signifigance. I'm not sure why fans are calling this episode a pivotal moment in Doctor Who history. The true meat of the story will be happening in The Sound of Drums and The Last of the Time Lords.

F9thRyker · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2007, 10:06:19 am »

Sharon Osbourne says... Vote Saxon [X]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XZ0dNFYcjk

Alphageek · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2007, 06:15:10 pm »

The video seems to be no longer available.

F9thRyker · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2007, 08:26:50 pm »

http://freemaagyeman.com/news/2007/06/19/vote-saxon-trailer/

Try this

Alphageek · « **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2007, 01:19:37 am »

If I were allowed to vote in your fine country, I would most definitely cast my ballot for Mr. Harry Saxon.

Strafer · « **Reply #17 on:** June 23, 2007, 10:12:46 pm »

Ta-ta-ta-tap, ta-ta-ta-tap, ta-ta-ta-tap....

Alphageek · « **Reply #18 on:** June 24, 2007, 05:46:00 am »

The Sound of Drums---four words: Oh. My. Freaking. GOD!!!!!

F9thRyker · « **Reply #19 on:** June 24, 2007, 06:16:47 pm »

Quote from: Strafer on June 23, 2007, 10:12:46 pm

Ta-ta-ta-tap, ta-ta-ta-tap, ta-ta-ta-tap....

I've been doing that constantly since I saw the episode last night - there's already a support group for people with sore fingers over on Outpost Gallifrey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYCsWaogNbk

[Trailer for the season finale - "The Last of the Time Lords"]

"Ever since I was a child, I looked into the Vortex...
Thats when it chose me, the drumming...
...the call to war."

Lepton · « **Reply #20 on:** June 24, 2007, 07:39:42 pm »

This episode was a bit better but not by much. Two things I don't like in films and movies.

1. Putting characters through a lot of unnecessary pain.
2. Evil characters with no other thought than doing evil or even the idea of evil in general.

Making the Doctor watch Earth being destroyed I thought was unnecessary.

The Master is acting nutty and being bad for no particular reason and actually seems like a pretty non self-aware character. I prefer characters that can reflect on their actions and state reasons. Seems to me the Master is an evil puppet in this instance.

Needless to say, I didn't find both of those aspects to the episode very entertaining.

And I am sorry, I could give a rat's ass about Martha Jones and her family. Whatever the writers did this time around makes me really not give a fig for his companion.

Question:

Has the Master always complaining about this drumming thing? If not, this seems pretty trumped up here at the season finale to give the Master some sort of shot at redemption for his actions throughout the Doctor Who universe.

Alphageek · « **Reply #21 on:** June 25, 2007, 06:45:34 am »

Quote from: Lepton on June 24, 2007, 07:39:42 pm

This episode was a bit better but not by much. Two things I don't like in films and movies.

1. Putting characters through a lot of unnecessary pain.
2. Evil characters with no other thought than doing evil or even the idea of evil in general.

Making the Doctor watch Earth being destroyed I thought was unnecessary.

The Master is acting nutty and being bad for no particular reason and actually seems like a pretty non self-aware character. I prefer characters that can reflect on their actions and state reasons. Seems to me the Master is an evil puppet in this instance.

Needless to say, I didn't find both of those aspects to the episode very entertaining.

And I am sorry, I could give a rat's ass about Martha Jones and her family. Whatever the writers did this time around makes me really not give a fig for his companion.

Question:

Has the Master always complaining about this drumming thing? If not, this seems pretty trumped up here at the season finale to give the Master some sort of shot at redemption for his actions throughout the Doctor Who universe.

The Master hasn't mentioned the drumming prior to this. However, as the Doctor mentioned, the Master went nuts at the age of 8 while staring into the Untempered Schism. Presumably it started small (like kicking small animals) and the crack in his mind has gotten progressively worse as he lives on. It was pretty plain when the Master came back as Anthony Ainley that he had passed mildly crazy and had moved firmly and boldly into stark raving mad. So, I'm guessing that, back in the old days, the drumming wasn't overwhelming enough to take notice of.

I don't think the Master is being nutty for no particular reason. A large portion of his motivation in the classic series was the search for ways to extend his life. He had used up all 12 of his regenerations, and he was desperate to find a method of regaining a normal existence. In the new series, from the spoilers I've run across, the Master's motivation is clear and firm again. He has a very definite plan this time around.

I'm with you on Martha Jones' family. I'm heartily sick of the companions being tied to their families by the apron strings. To be fair though, I cheered inside when Martha's dad took the bull by the horns and tipped his daugher off to what was happening. Rose (oh, God, I hated her so much) kicked it off with the very discouraging soap opera story lines involving her mom and her boyfriend. Anyone remember the old days in Doctor Who when traveling in the TARDIS meant probably never seeing your home again? Even the 5th Doctor had endless trouble getting Tegan back to Heathrow in time to board her plane and start work as an air stewardess.

Strafer · « **Reply #22 on:** June 25, 2007, 06:12:34 pm »

On the note of the 4th/5th switchover and Tegan, I had to go back to Logopolis to doublecheck...
lo and behold, when Doc Jack and Martha enter the Tardis on the Valiant, you hear the cloister bell. Battle Stations!

Lepton · « **Reply #23 on:** June 25, 2007, 07:37:11 pm »

But didn't we just see the Master regenerate yet again? If he had used up all his regenerations, how is that possible? I mean, obviously not that time is linear here, but we just saw the Master at the end of the Universe, hiding his consciousness away at the end of time itself so to speak. This doesn't seem like the actions of one looking for life extension.

The character was also clear that the drumming had been there all his life and he seemed quite perturbed at that fact to put it mildly. Not that I am a Whovian by any stretch of the imagination, but I can imagine some people having problems with these evolutions in the storyline that seem to have very little to do with canon in the Doctor Who shows. Essentially, they are rewriting the Master's entire history here by giving him a kind of deus-ex-machina excuse for his behavior, redeeming his character. Seems very odd to me.

Alphageek · « **Reply #24 on:** June 26, 2007, 03:39:13 am »

Well, as far as the Master having a new cycle of regenerations, that's not so hard to explain. In The Five Doctors the Time Lords offered the Master a new lifecycle in exchange for rescuing the Doctor from the Death Zone. In The Sound of Drums, the Master explains that the Time Lords "resurrected" him in order to have him fight in the Time War. Plainly the Time Lords are capable of extending/nullifying the 12 regeneration rule.

As far as the drumming having always been in the Master's head, and his never having mentioned it before....well, both he and the Doctor have been through a lot in recent times. Presumably they had to interact during the Time War and achieved some minimum understanding. I would guess that it's only recently that the Master felt capable of discussing what he views as a weakness with his greatest enemy. I'm not sure I see this addition to the Master's backstory as an attempt to redeem him. He's clearly been a raving maniac since he first showed up on Earth to pester the exiled 3rd Doctor. Just look at the stunt he pulled when he finally got himself a new body in Tom Baker's last couple of stories--Tegan's aunt murdered, the entire Logopolitan civilization wiped out, and roughly 1/5 of the universe destroyed by runaway entropy. We knew he was a nutbar. The Sound of Drums just lets us know exactly why the Master is a nutbar.

It was totally awesome to hear the Cloister Bell again. "....reserved for wild catastrophes and sudden calls to man the battlestations.".

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