Topic: Mid server rule change suggestion (Read 1884 times)

Dizzy · « **on:** June 09, 2007, 11:31:45 pm »

Please allow for enemy ships with matching smaller hulls that are currently worth no points to be worth points. Otherwise I'm wasting my time in smaller boats facing off against the same.

Stargazer and I both are facing off inb a CWLP vs a D5L. That match ought to be worth 1 point. Not a free match, that sucks. I had a similar rule on SG7 where otherwise free kills wernt if they were faced off against a similar type ship with the same move cost. Makes sense.

KBFLordKrueg · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2007, 12:34:26 am »

I think that was the whole point...to allow pilots to fight for fun without fear of giving up points for the team and to encourage pilots to fly some of the smaller ships rather than everyone wanting a Capitol ship.

And isn't having fun more important than winning or losing points?

Dizzy · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2007, 12:57:05 am »

What? No way dood. If players want to fight for fun they say so and disregard the kills. What this has done is to setup an expoit... a dynamic if you will whereas non-pvp players can operate solo on the front lines and not cost their team any points doing it and there is no way to respond in kind. This excludes a whole class of PvP ships from being able to participate in the PvP point system scheme. I think it sucks and I'm not buying your interpretation of it until DH clarifies it. I dont see the point of flying a server that has points on it when you deliberatly exclude an entire move cost range of pvp ships, makes no sense... I dont think the intention of the ruleset was designed with that in mind... There is a mosh pit for that sort of thing.

Lepton · « **Reply #3 on:** June 10, 2007, 02:01:23 am »

There was a time when PvP was worth nothing other than the bragging rights and a measly old DV shift. I think we can weather one server with no points for line or command variants with less than a move cost of one to be worth nothing again.

Besides I think your argument is predicated on a false notion. It's not as if the solo low move cost ship is looking to PvP. By your own admission, you'd seem to suggest that the solo low move cost ship are likely to be non-PvPers, e.g. hex-flippers. So there is nothing that precludes that solo hex flipper from being bumped out of hex by a bigger ship. I did it many times today, and had it done to me as well. That's what the disengagement rule is for and that is indeed the answer to any hex-flipper, forcing a disengagement. As soon as I see gaggles of folks in low move cost ships slicing through BCHs and Dreadnaughts like a hot knife through warm butter, I'll worry about it.

Right now you can PvP in a CA, BCH, DH, Carrier, or other specialty ship. That's a fairly substantial portion of the ship list and consider the server population size and the extravagant number of metal points allowing a notable number of people to field 2 DNs and a Carrier (a 1/3 of the players on one side) or 5 BCHs (half of the players on either side). That's half the players on either side in a cap ship, HALF, which most can easily afford and the rest in CAs or commander cruisers. So, it's not as if there is a dearth of PvP opportunities and ships to scores points in.

Further, further, (Yes, I meant to say "further" twice. It's for emphasis) these low move cost ships are in fact not worth nothing if not flown solo. They are worth one point. So, there is a tiny little exception for hex-flippers flying solo and as they are flying solo, this is easily countered by the disengagement rule.

Now, what exactly is the complaint again? If Stargazer kills you in a CWLP, he should get a point for that?? Done. New Dizzy rule. Anyone killing Dizzy in a low move cost ship solo gets a point. Happy now??

Dizzy · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2007, 03:29:55 am »

Lets see what DH has to say. Since there was NO mention of any hull class getting a free ride in such circumstance, I dont think it was intentional considering last server same move cost ships were each worth a point. Believe me, I'd have said something before hand if .67 ship vs same wernt worth anything... Thats retarded.

ShadowLord · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2007, 03:53:08 am »

Diz -- you know me and you know what a pvp hoe I am...
Given the amount of PVP I have obtained the entire server...and the large player base I have to disagree with you.
The server rules as they are seem to allow for everyone to maximize their fun.
Let them stand.

Duck

Dizzy · « **Reply #6 on:** June 10, 2007, 03:56:21 am »

It's not about letting them stand, duck, the rule needs to be clarified. It can go either way at this point...

ShadowLord · « **Reply #7 on:** June 10, 2007, 04:08:50 am »

I thought they were very simple

When flying alone if your ship is under a 1.0 movement cost then no VP are awarded if you die.
However should you have a wing then it becomes worth points.

Isnt that the rule?

Dfly · « **Reply #8 on:** June 12, 2007, 08:25:36 pm »

I agree with Duck and Lepton.

The ruling is good and clear, and works. I am sorry Dizzy if you dont like it, and I have no problem with you checking with DH to see if it is as he meant it or not, but when it was drawn up, it seemed ok, and when flown, it still seems ok for me, and others.

SurveyCrew · « **Reply #9 on:** June 12, 2007, 08:43:14 pm »

I don't care. I'm having fun, FUN. I don't like to see Dyna-Litigation. It's a freaking game. Thanks (to whoever) for keeping SFC alive and FUN.

FPF-DieHard · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2007, 09:30:00 pm »

CWs are cheap, dirt cheap. They are very common ships, more common than "Ships of the line." They are a dime a dozen, that is wht they are worth so little. An empire doesn't feel a hit when it looses a war cruiser.

That's the spirit behind the rule.

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