Topic: Slave Girls of Orion VII: License to Shag (Sticky)

[FPF-DieHard]

Guys please chill out about this, there was a shiplist frackup that was my fault.   Please don't start WWIII over something trivial like this especially now that the server is over.

[[KBF]MuadDib]

Wasn't my mistake and I wasnt around to catch it. Fortunately DH was able to handle the situation before people had any major meltdowns. But Dib, I've fought and flown your wing many times and afaik, you'd not cheat given the chance. You have more honor than that it seems.

So, anyone have any rule ideas to apply to next server? Changes, deletions, additions? Like the Xfleeting mid server rule change? The latter wasnt my doing, btw.

well i did change the PFL to PFE the rest of the server...

but being called a cheater is really upsetting as thats just sooo not me...

had i missed the rule change...np my bad and you know i would have apologized had that been the case...

its not the first time someone will miss a rule or rule change and certainly wont be the last...

maybe had i not been under the tag Futar that name wouldnt have been thrown in my direction...i dunno...it was just upsetting and i really respect the pilot who said it so that didnt help either...

i also think we have a pretty good set of rules that have developed over the past few servers and they seem to work...lets stick to them and not make anymore unless its really going to upset the balance of the dyna...

No that name probably still would have been thrown at you especially with the flippant way you reacted to the whole situation.

You basicly knew there was something wrong and used them anyways....

i had no idea the PFL rule had changed...had heard no mention of a PFL discussion whatsover until our match...had i known i wouldnt have been on the board illegally like that...

i dont think there was anything wrong with using PFLs...once launched...they couldnt be recalled...the lyran PFs anyways...didnt fly any others...

the lyran PFs are nothing but 2 dizzies 2 ph2 2 ph3...so unless they are up there close...in an easy position to be offed...they arent worth much but for intimidation...its them other races u gotta worry about...photons and plasma work much better for the ai flying them than dizzies do...

and as people have vouched for my character...

honorable...hotheaded...

the latter couldnt believe you were calling me a "cheater"...

sorry i missed the note we werent using the PFLs and i hope u forgive the hothead for getting to ya...i really had no idea...i print out rules the day servers start so i always have them handy...

krueg slaps me around all the time cos im known to just log on and play once we start...there are so many missions i could have run in the time its taken me to read this thread and post and the like...id rather be playing...

but alas...SGO7 is over...so here i am but...

i got to get out of here before i get in trouble...

oooh  ya another post in this here thread i need to add to...

but this ones for you bear!  sorry dude!  meant ya no harm...

just got put off by the whole "cheater" accusation...

[[KBF]MuadDib]

mid server rule changes suck! 

its a nasty little evil that one hopes to choke down and continue...

So, anyone have any rule ideas to apply to next server? Changes, deletions, additions? Like the Xfleeting mid server rule change? The latter wasnt my doing, btw.

A rule against mid-server changes.

I'll second that...

hehe, wont ever happen.

mid-server rule changes will always exist...something will always be missed...maybe one day this will never be the case...but thats just the way it goes...

the PFL and Ficon situations are clear evidence of this...

but i reserve the right to stand up against changing a rule mid server thats just asinine...

[Dizzy]

And the first to ask about ficons?

That would be ME, did the admins contacted have an answer at the time? No. The rules were unclear and noone understood what to do about the ficons when first discovered and brought to an admins attention by ME. 

Precisely why we need mid server rule changes. You can call them clarifications if it makes you feel better.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Precisely why we need mid server rule changes. You can call them clarifications if it makes you feel better.

Rules changes due to game bugs are entirely acceptable.

[Dizzy]

Precisely why we need mid server rule changes. You can call them clarifications if it makes you feel better.

Rules changes due to game bugs are entirely acceptable.

Oversights, ommisions, clerical errors and majority votes by Side Leaders are not?

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Precisely why we need mid server rule changes. You can call them clarifications if it makes you feel better.

Rules changes due to game bugs are entirely acceptable.

Oversights, ommisions, clerical errors and majority votes by Side Leaders are not?

IMHO

Perhaps depending on what they are, for exampl an oversight about extra PFLs I'd consider a bug fix.  An Oversight that RMs knew about beforehand would be acceptable as well.  And oversight that was not and would affect game play or strategy negetively would not be.

For example if on SGO7 you had meant to allow for each race to have an embassy hex in each allies space and typed 2 instead and not caught it until the server began would not be as it would greatly effect strategies already in place.  In that case your better playing it out as is.

I don't like majority votes either, unless they address an area in which rules could be interpreted in more than 1 way and a clarification was needed.  I don't agree with majority votes to add some rule that wasn't there at the start.  I think majority votes should be used in a judicial function, not in a legislative one once a server has started.  X-ship fleeting changes are an example of it being used as a legislative function.

A 2/3rd majority in a group of 3 doesn't strike me as particularly compelling in the case of a legislative function, a 2/3rds majority from all players might is more so, and I still not sure I agree with that either, but would be more acceptive of it even if I disagreed.

[Dizzy]

Perhaps depending on what they are...

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Sorry, but arbitrary rulings are what they are always going to be and setting up arbitrary rules in which to follow for arbitrary rulings is absolutely the dumbest thing I can think of.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Sorry, but arbitrary rulings are what they are always going to be and setting up arbitrary rules in which to follow for arbitrary rulings is absolutely the dumbest thing I can think of.

Thats why a procedure needs to be setup for these things before a server starts.  Everyone will have their own opinion about what is and what isn't justified.  This should be clarified beforehand.

There are areas of common sense too.  Like when extra PFs appear and fleeting rules specify pf flleting based on 4 PFs.  The fact that 6 appear instead is definately a bug/oversight and no one had a problem with the fix, in fact it was players who were quick to bring it to the admins attention.


Look Dizzy, run your servers how you wish, at least you put forth great time and effort to offer one and deserve high praise for doing so.  I'm not going to say anything more on this, I'm just trying to give you my point of view as a player, you can accept this or not, as a way to run YOUR servers.  YOU have the ultimate choice to make as is rightfully so since your the one putting forth the time and effort.  If you think my ideas are bad, thats fine, I wont feel bad if you disagree, I'm just letting you know how I (and maybe others) feel about it, take it as an imput to be used or not as you see fit.  YOU make the decisions about YOUR server.

I just make my decision about whether to spend my time there or not based upon what I see. 

[Dizzy]

Sorry, but arbitrary rulings are what they are always going to be and setting up arbitrary rules in which to follow for arbitrary rulings is absolutely the dumbest thing I can think of.

Everyone will have their own opinion about what is and what isn't justified.  This should be clarified beforehand.

You cant clarify the unknown.

[FPF-DieHard]