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Re: Some Movies I've Watched....
« Reply #120 on: December 06, 2007, 12:43:35 pm »
Ok, haven't been to the big screen since American Gangsters...

but this weekend, I saw "The Thin Red Line" in the $5 bin at Wal-Mart... looked at all the names in it *(George Clooney, Nick Nolte, John Cusack, John C Reilly, Woody Harrelson, Adrian Brody, John Travolta, the Terminator 3 guy, Jared Leto, Jim Caveziel (SP - Jesus from Passion) ) and picked it up.

It was absolutely horrible.  So fricking horrible that it put me to sleep in about 1 hour.  Yes.  It was that bad.

Not only was the entire plot (whatever that was) terrible imho, but shees... wtf are producers putting the ARMY in Guadacanal?  WTF were P-39's doing on Guadacanal?  WTF were C47's doing on Guadacanal so early in the campaign?

I would write a review about it, if I knew what it was supposed to be about.

Here's AP coming at you, $5 less rich after that mistake. 

Sad thing is that I watched the movie a long time ago and thought it was awful then.  And this movie was up for like 7 Academy Awards including Best Picture?  Shees.

Anyone else watch this movie and think differently?  If so, I'm curious as to why.



Haven't seen it I admit, but weren't there army units sent in as back up after the marine landings?
Same thing (iirc) with P-39's, I thoguht that some aaf units had been flown in as well.
Could be wrong, it's been years since I've read anything about the Pacific war, so dunno..

Thanks for the heads up though, have also been lookin at this is the dicsount bins. (Though it's like 12.99 here)
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« Reply #121 on: December 06, 2007, 01:43:18 pm »
The army was there.  But after the initial attack.  They were a releiving force along with the 2nd Marines.

"In November 1942, when the Japanese Army gave up hope of retaking Guadalcanal, and the Japanese Navy ceased trying to send reinforcements, the bloodied First Marine Division was withdrawn. Meanwhile, the 164th Infantry and the 2nd Marines had arrived. These were elements of the Americal Division of the U.S. Army and the Second Marine Division."

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When the Guadalcanal campaign began, it was the first land offensive by the United States against any Axis power. It continued to be the only land offensive by the United States until the major Allied invasion of North Africa in November 1942. Under the "Europe first" doctrine of the Allied leadership, the material for Guadalcanal was assigned grudgingly. This made it "Operation Shoestring" to those involved. The future of the operaton was also immediately put in doubt by the disaster of the Battle of Savo Island. Nevertheless, the American public was far more incensed about Japan than about Germany and was eager for news of American attacks, after many months of American forces being defeated and captured in the Philippines, and on Wake and Guam. Thus, an account of the earliest days on Guadalcanal, Guadalcanal Diary, by combat reporter Richard Tregaskis, was a sensation, and a reasonably faithful movie version was turned out within a year (even if obviously shot in California). The land fighting on Guadalcanal was also immortalized in James Jones' The Thin Red Line, made as a movie in 1964 and recently remade by Terrence Malick in 1998.

The fighting in The Thin Red Line, however, comes from fairly late in the campaign, after the Battles of the Tenaru River, Bloody Ridge, and Henderson Field. All the early fighting was right on the perimeter of Henderson Field, with the Japanese trying to break in during night attacks. The Japanese had trouble appreciating the seriousness of the American threat. The first Japanese attack, led by Colonel Kiyono Ichiki, was the result of serious material and moral miscalculation. The Japanese believed that about a regiment of Americans had landed, not the better part of a division. Ichiki's regiment was thus sent to retake the island. Since Ichiki also believed that one good surprise night attack would cause the Americans to run, he did not even wait for his whole unit but advanced with no more than a battalion. He didn't even have the advantage of surprise and so died with nearly all his men. The next Japanese commander, Major General Kiyotake Kawaguchi was more prudent, using his own regiment and the remnants of Ichiki's with more care. He still gravely underestimated the American forces, however. The Battle of Bloody Ridge, although harrowing for the Marines, nevertheless gained the Japanese nothing of their objective.

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« Reply #122 on: December 06, 2007, 02:03:34 pm »
This movie was supposed to be about a battle late in the campaign?  Well I guess that explains the Army presence (although I consider "late" to be anything after the initial battle where the Marines were left all alone)

This just highlights another downfall of this movie.  No background given to it!  The movie doesn't play out like a "late campaign battle" at all.

The movie plays out like it was the intial attack... there was this build-up to an amphibious assault that turned out to be anti-climatic, the japs "were there but had just fled", the japs were holding a ridge overlooking the airfield,  (given this movie came out a year or so after Saving Private Ryan, it was a nice touch by the director building up the "Is this amphib assault going to be better or worse than SPR" feeling, only to have "nothing happen")



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« Reply #123 on: December 06, 2007, 03:40:20 pm »
I thought the thin red line was about soldiers that did an unspeakable act, and talking about the thin line that divides one from doing what is a reasonable action, and an unreasonable one, and how thing that line really is.
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Re: Some Movies I've Watched....
« Reply #124 on: December 10, 2007, 01:40:54 pm »
Here's a plot synposis I pulled off of one of the websites...

In World War II, the outcome of the battle of Guadalcanal will strongly influence the Japanese's advance into the pacific. A group of young soldiers is brought in as a relief for the battle-weary Marine units. The exhausting fight for a key-positioned airfield that allows control over a 1000-mile radius puts the men of the Army Rifle company C-for-Charlie through hell. The horrors of war forms the soldiers into a tight-knit group, their emotions develop into bonds of love and even family. The reasons for this war get further away as the world for the men gets smaller and smaller until their fighting is for mere survival and the life of the other men with them. Written by Julian Reischl {julianreischl@mac.com}

In 1943, the first major U.S. offensive of World War II is drawing to a close on the South Pacific island of Guadalcanal. To put an end to this campaign, the United States Army arrives with a full division of troops and equipment, deployed to break the last resistence of the Japanese. The exploits of this Division are seen from a number of perspectives amongst the soldiers; to include a war weary Sergeant, a power hungry Colonel, a Private who has known only desertion and AWOL, and a Company Commander is is struggling with his abilities as a leader. Written by Anthony Hughes {husnock31@hotmail.com}


Anyway based on what I read here there is nothing ground breaking about this flik. (not like Private Ryan which I though was ground breaking in terms of a number of things it showed).  however the production values and quality have been cited as high. Might be worth a look now that we all have some background on it.

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« Reply #125 on: December 10, 2007, 02:42:49 pm »
ROndo, rent it out and let me know what you think of it.  Me, I think you're going to be thinking that you lost $2.85 and 3 hours of your life on it.

The camera work in this movie was the best thing about it.  The problem with the "camera work" is not the actual "camera work", it's where that camera is pointed at.  Does focusing on a dying bird for about about 30-45 seconds minute "add" to the movie that's already too long - when you've already got plenty of the "man = nature ; man vs. nature" camera shots in the film?  IMHO no.

The scenery shots are great, but they just don't seem to match a stinking festering rotting tropical jungle.  It looks more like more like Iowa on a warm summer day.  Even when a guy is creeping along a stream and gets shot, it sure didn't feel like we were in Guadalcanal, it felt like I was looking at a nice mountain stream from Colorado. 

SPR blew the pants off war movies that's for sure.  It's depiction of battle changed the way war movies were made. 
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« Reply #126 on: December 18, 2007, 11:26:37 am »
I'm going to see if the wife wants to see National Treasure this weekend.

The first one was "fun".  Good popcorn flick worth seeing, not much to talk about afterwords.  Me, i kinda like the "conspiracy theory" movies, well, the ones that aren't rying to be serious conspiracy theory movies.  I hope this one is fun, also.  And at worst case, Diane Kruger is a hottie, so the eye-candy is there.
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« Reply #127 on: December 18, 2007, 02:27:00 pm »
 
Mrs. Barabbas & I rented "Amazing Grace" this past weekend about William Wilberforce and his efforts to end the slave trade in England and it was EXCELLENT.

For all you politico's out there, while the focus of this movie is Wilberforce's personal conviction and how he was driven to fight the evil he saw, it also shows a lot of British Parlimentary wheeling and dealing and works well on both levels.

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« Reply #128 on: December 19, 2007, 09:40:20 pm »
Ok I saw The Golden Compass, this years controversy.

The movie was based on a number of novels that definitely had anti-religious themes to them.  Some attempt was made to water down the message in the movie and what results will probably not satisfy aethests/agnostics OR religious people.

First of all something with these kinds of "deep" symbols, having a companion that actually is your "soul", really isn't for kids.  Teenager maybe but not kids.

Secondly, naming your soul a "daemon"  (pronounced demon) is a play on words most kids would not appreciate...

"The words daemon, dæmon, are Latinized spellings of the Greek δαίμων (daimon),[1] used purposely today to distinguish the daemons of Ancient Greek religion, good or malevolent "supernatural beings between mortals and gods, such as inferior divinities and ghosts of dead heroes" (see Plato's Symposium), from the Judeo-Christian usage demon, a malignant spirit that can seduce, afflict, or possess humans."

Also the "good guys" are scruffy looking gypsies ("gyptians") and witches, people not always associated with "good" while the "bad" guys look pretty much like priests or are soldiers.  The most "evil" person in the movies (nicely played by Nicole Kidman) likes smacking her rather twisted soul around and goes by the name of Mrs. Coulter .  Where exactly Mr. Coulter is remains a mystery throughout the movie. 

Even if  there were no questions about religion in the movies I think some of the moral messages are not suitable to the average kid below age 13.  For example at one point our pre -pubescent heroine upon talking to a friendly witch notices her deference toawrds one of the scuffy "gyptians" and insightfully comments..."he was your lover once?"   In another we find an alchoholic digitally animated bear living out of an alleyway swilling (booze?) instead of food.  Definitely a late stage alchoholic but apparently with no physical consequences.  Maybe it was just food.  I dunno.

The editing is bad sometimes.  The actors don't always look straight at the animated bear or you can tell during solo cuts scenes during conversations that there was no one the actor was actually talking to. 

Not recommeneded to see on the big screen and NOT recommended for kids under14.

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« Reply #129 on: December 21, 2007, 06:59:00 am »
We watched the latest Harry Potter on DVD the other night.  Order of the Phoenix I believe.  It was OK.  If you didn't know what was going on with the story you would have been very lost at the beginning.  It just took off into the weirdness of the Ministry lying about Potter and the gay man and saying Voldemort (sp?) was not back, etc.  Nothing in the way of introduction or a short wrap up for those who missed the last movie or book.  Overall it was pretty good.  Those kids are getting a lot older, too old to play their characters much longer.  Not sure what they will do for the last to movies.  Personally if I was the studio I'd shoot them back to back here pretty soon and just wait to release them. 

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« Reply #130 on: December 21, 2007, 09:37:41 am »
Farce of the penguins: Me and my wife couldn't stop laughing at the dialog, I MUST put this one on DVD for future (battleing of the blues).
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Re: Some Movies I've Watched....
« Reply #131 on: December 27, 2007, 06:38:53 am »
Has anyone seen Charlie Wilson's War?  It looks like it could be good. 

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« Reply #132 on: December 27, 2007, 05:07:35 pm »
Has anyone seen Charlie Wilson's War?  It looks like it could be good. 

I saw it- was a great movie, however I don't know how realistic it is, I've read it's what happened and that he really had nothing to do with it.
It's also interesting that it seems to focus (for a while) on the Stinger's to shoot down the Soviet airpower, but never links them to him , instead showing him mostly setting up soviet arms shipments.

Still- while I can't vouch for it's accuracy (and I'm pretty sure one of the shots of a Soviet plane being shot down was a F-16) , I will say that it's a funny and entertaining film.
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« Reply #133 on: January 01, 2008, 01:41:04 pm »
Shoot em Up...

a horribly chiched movie, with no sense of direction, No idea of physics, and plot holes large enough to put the Titanic in.


But I loved it. Never before have I seen a man kill another with a carrot in so many ways. Not for kids, due to the Brothel and over all gore, but Funny and fun all the same. Mr. Smith does the anti-hero very well. Def. a rental or PPV movie.

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« Reply #134 on: January 01, 2008, 08:16:01 pm »
got a boxed set for Xmas and slowly milked it for all its worth after watching the first disk...

Samurai7http://www.funimation.com/samurai7/

Anime remake of Akira Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai (i'm a huge fan of Kurosawa's have nearly everything on DVD or VHS.(still waiting for the criterion collection of Ran))

it is very very impressive, and even based on some of the previews included with the set i'm going to have to start looking up/borrowing more anime.(ive mostly avoided the genre).

its seems Anime is dealing with the kinds of complex issues Science Fiction writers  (vs SCI-FI using Ellison's definition) have been working with for ages and hollywood movie/television studios pretty much ignore.

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« Reply #135 on: January 01, 2008, 08:34:52 pm »
Shoot em Up...

a horribly chiched movie, with no sense of direction, No idea of physics, and plot holes large enough to put the Titanic in.


But I loved it. Never before have I seen a man kill another with a carrot in so many ways. Not for kids, due to the Brothel and over all gore, but Funny and fun all the same. Mr. Smith does the anti-hero very well. Def. a rental or PPV movie.

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If you're looking for a complete shoot em up movie that doesn't take itslef seriously, yet still (imo) manges to have some greta acting performances, this is the one to watch.
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« Reply #136 on: January 02, 2008, 08:17:08 pm »
got a boxed set for Xmas and slowly milked it for all its worth after watching the first disk...

Samurai7http://www.funimation.com/samurai7/

Anime remake of Akira Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai (i'm a huge fan of Kurosawa's have nearly everything on DVD or VHS.(still waiting for the criterion collection of Ran))

it is very very impressive, and even based on some of the previews included with the set i'm going to have to start looking up/borrowing more anime.(ive mostly avoided the genre).

its seems Anime is dealing with the kinds of complex issues Science Fiction writers  (vs SCI-FI using Ellison's definition) have been working with for ages and hollywood movie/television studios pretty much ignore.


So you got a Samurai 7 box set?  How is it?  I catch it every now and then late on the Cartoon Network.  (Or is that the one that was on the Indie film channel for a while?)

I have both Ran and The Seven Samurai.  What other movies would you suggest?  I love the Japanese samurai/karate movies and the Indie film channel is good for that.  Saturday mornings they usually have one and they had a couple Sonny Chiba (sp?) movies on Monday.  I also like the Chinese action movies that have been out recently like CTHD, Hero, Fearless, etc. 

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« Reply #137 on: January 04, 2008, 01:28:09 pm »
Suppose I could offer my wit and wisdom here for the yokels (that be you)

AvP= Horrible. I don't expect much other than being able to watch Aliens fight Predators when I went to this movie and was still aghast at how bad the movie is.

Hitman= Bad, (although far better than AVP) has some OK in a over-the-top kinda way action scenes. Not really recommended unless it's a free rental and you have nothing else to so.

Sweeny Todd- Not really into musicals so I'm not the best to judge, don't think Depp can sing, and to me the story dragged a little several times (a fault of teh story, not te singing) Alan Rickman's pretty good (though he's not in it much) and Helen Bonham Carter is amazing- she best be getting an oscar for this. (IMO)

National Treasure- About the same as the first one, it's not bad for what it is, the steps of logic that Cage's character seems to be able to jump to are really annoying.

Charlie Wilson's War was entertaining, don't think it was hugely realisitic, but Tom Hanks is pretty funny and Hoffman's performance as a disgruntled 9to say the least) CIA employee is worth a rental by itslef.

I am Legend- Good movie, Will Smith is great, I really should like this movie more, bu (for some reason) thought it was going to be like the short story- which is (if I may be so crude) F'ing amazing (can I say f'ing here?) I couldn't help but not like it given the differnces from the book, but admit I' probably being unfair to the movie.

Elizabeth the Golden Age was dissapointing, thought the first movie was great. This is more of a half assed love story than the political machinations I like about the first.

The Mist was OK, probably good to see if you liked the King short story, and have nothing else to rent. Not a bad movie (though not great).
Much of the dialogue (to me) seemed lifted out of the book and didn;t really work as movie dialogue.
Ending (imo) was brilliant- I really didn't see it coming.

Walk Hard dragged on in parts, in others it was friggen hillarious. Kinda s stupid but smart comedy all a the same time. I'd really recommend this if you're at all interested in that type of comedy.I honeslty thought I'd hate it. Huge surprise when I saw it.

 




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« Reply #138 on: January 04, 2008, 07:01:11 pm »
got a boxed set for Xmas and slowly milked it for all its worth after watching the first disk...

Samurai7http://www.funimation.com/samurai7/

Anime remake of Akira Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai (i'm a huge fan of Kurosawa's have nearly everything on DVD or VHS.(still waiting for the criterion collection of Ran))

it is very very impressive, and even based on some of the previews included with the set i'm going to have to start looking up/borrowing more anime.(ive mostly avoided the genre).

its seems Anime is dealing with the kinds of complex issues Science Fiction writers  (vs SCI-FI using Ellison's definition) have been working with for ages and hollywood movie/television studios pretty much ignore.


So you got a Samurai 7 box set?  How is it?  I catch it every now and then late on the Cartoon Network.  (Or is that the one that was on the Indie film channel for a while?)

I have both Ran and The Seven Samurai.  What other movies would you suggest?  I love the Japanese samurai/karate movies and the Indie film channel is good for that.  Saturday mornings they usually have one and they had a couple Sonny Chiba (sp?) movies on Monday.  I also like the Chinese action movies that have been out recently like CTHD, Hero, Fearless, etc. 


 absolutely loved the Box set, (not sure when/if it was shown on US tv channels)

There is some 'suspension of disbelief"  is required due to them transferring the 7 Samurai story to a futuristic  world where the bandits have become mechania (and the heroes remain human) but its done consistently and well throughout. Ultimately just like Kurosawa's original the story is about the rice and the farmers, the samurai are the vehicle.

as far ss Kurosawa originals Yojimbo, Sanjiuro and Throne of Blood are required viewing for the genre pieces as well as the modern "Dreams" (a series of short stories)

of the Chinese movies in addition to those mentioned I also enjoyed House of the Flying Daggers (you have to accept the wire-fu ofc as part of the style, but there is a great love tale going on there as well)

also Shadow Warriors Series has been released as Box sets recently for the Sonny Chiba fans (and those looking for the origins of "Hattori Hanzo" recently revisited in Kill Bill.

Edit: ah i think the Cartoon Network show you are referring to is "Samurai Champaloop" (sp to lazy atm to go get it off the shelf) Ive got a couple of them on DVD as well and am waiting for the entire series packaged together to get more..

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« Reply #139 on: January 06, 2008, 10:04:38 am »
Thanks.  I have been wanting to get Yojimbo but considering I can get most DVDs for like 15-16 dollars some of the ones I want are almost double the price.  It may be the Samurai 7 was shown on IFC then.  They usually have a good movie on saturday mornings, this weekend they had Samurai I, the first of the three on Musashi.  They had a couple of Sonny Chiba movies on last weekend.  Good stuff.  I also like the Zatoichi movies. 
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