Topic: SG7 Rule Vote

[Dizzy]

*NOTE* A lone line ship with no wings, player or AI, is worth 0 points vs a BC or larger enemy ship(s), in other words it is a free kill if it's the only ship on that side. Disengagement/destruction rules still apply.


Keep in mind that this is an OPEN battlecruiser server where anyone can fly one as long as they obey the fleeting restrictions when they fly with a wing. This rule concerns me because a line ship can tie up a BC with impunity... and in some cases, line ships can kill BC's and you'll lose points when your BC dies. Do we want line ships to be worth a point? Perhaps bump the rule up to DN level instead of BC level?

[KBFLordKrueg]

When you say BC, you mean BCH?

[Dizzy]

is there a difference?

[KBFLordKrueg]

Several ships are listed as "BattleCruiser"
Heavy Battle Cruisers are listed as "Heavy"

[Dfly]

If BC only, not so sure, but if BCH and up then if you die vs a line ship, you should be worth a point at the minimum.  I will wait to find out if BC or BCH before I vote.

[FPF-DieHard]

Several ships are listed as "BattleCruiser"
Heavy Battle Cruisers are listed as "Heavy"

I think for Dizzy at times, he means BCH 

This only counts for solo fights in 1v1, it's kinda retarted to award a VC for an auto-win fight.

[Dfly]

then if BCH, I have voted.

[Dizzy]

Several ships are listed as "BattleCruiser"
Heavy Battle Cruisers are listed as "Heavy"

Please make a note that whenever I mention BC I am talking about CLASS TYPE. Not their Full Name. Here are some examples in the shiplist of ships that have the full name of 'Battlecruiser' but are in fact not classed as battlecruisers.

Race   Hull Type   Class   Class Type
Klingon   CA   K-D6   LIGHT_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-D6B   LIGHT_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-D6K   LIGHT_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-D6KR   LIGHT_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-D7   HEAVY_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-D7B   HEAVY_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-D7K   HEAVY_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-D7KR   HEAVY_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-FD7   HEAVY_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-FD7K   HEAVY_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-FD7R   HEAVY_CRUISER
Klingon   CA   K-FD7Rf   HEAVY_CRUISER
Mirak   CA   Z-BC   HEAVY_CRUISER
Mirak   CA   Z-BCR   HEAVY_CRUISER
Romulan   CA   R-K7R   HEAVY_CRUISER
Romulan   CA   R-K7RB   HEAVY_CRUISER

ALL the above are not battlecruisers. They are whatever the Class Type says they are which range from CL to CA. In fact, there is not a Battlecruiser classtype at all. So why would you think I would refer to the above? You know what, nm. I dont have time for this. You know now.

[IAF Lyrkiller]

I voted.

[Lepton]

I'm more curious as to what we think that a line ship is with regard to this rule.  In general I am inclined to vote yes, but I'd like to know what is a line ship for this server before I vote.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Agree with Lepton, we need a line ship definition.

[Dizzy]

From the fleeting rules section:

- A line ship is defined as any ship that is not a command or special class type ship, vanilla in other words.

[Dizzy]

Ok, here's what I think.... Some line ships can kill BC's. So why wouldl a BC risk taking that risk for nothing? The BC captain is risking his 3 vc points for nothing. I say bump it to DN level. That way a line cruiser could challenge a DN and not worry much except the pp loss. The DN on the other hand shouldnt have to worry much about the line ship so both would engage.

With the BC tho... I'm feeling we are handing too much advantage to the line ship... But that's my opinion. I havent voted yet...

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Ok, here's what I think.... Some line ships can kill BC's. So why wouldl a BC risk taking that risk for nothing? The BC captain is risking his 3 vc points for nothing. I say bump it to DN level. That way a line cruiser could challenge a DN and not worry much except the pp loss. The DN on the other hand shouldnt have to worry much about the line ship so both would engage.

With the BC tho... I'm feeling we are handing too much advantage to the line ship... But that's my opinion. I havent voted yet...

As a fried of mine once said "If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen, get out."

The BCH can always disengage if he is afraid of losing the ship.  Not only that but a line ship that is lost still faces a disengagement penalty which is plenty of punishment.

I like the rule as it encourages line ship usage, givng line ships matchups they have a chance of winning at low risk is a Great way to promote them.

[Dizzy]

I like the rule as it encourages line ship usage, givng line ships matchups they have a chance of winning at low risk is a Great way to promote them.

Hrmmm. Well said. I agree. Voted to keep the rule as is.

[KBFLordKrueg]

Now, if I only knew the number of planets and bases you want me to place so we could finish the map and get started on time for Fri.
I have to work tomorrow, so I'll check to see if it's there when i get home about 5-6 EDT.
Couple of hours after that, I should have it back to ya.

[Dfly]

LK< They are posted, I put them in the forums.

[Lepton]

Ok, here's what I think.... Some line ships can kill BC's. So why wouldl a BC risk taking that risk for nothing? The BC captain is risking his 3 vc points for nothing. I say bump it to DN level. That way a line cruiser could challenge a DN and not worry much except the pp loss. The DN on the other hand shouldnt have to worry much about the line ship so both would engage.

With the BC tho... I'm feeling we are handing too much advantage to the line ship... But that's my opinion. I havent voted yet...

From my perspective, you're looking at this thing all sideways.  You know my position on line ships.  So what exactly is it that you are attempting to accomplish with this rule?  I frankly don't get it.  I don't see this as encouraging anyone to fly a line ship rather it is more a punishment against those who'd like to fly a line ship as he or she would only get this special dispensation when he or she is totally alone, no human or AI wing.  When is that latter condition going to be met??  Only in the rare occasion of a 1v1 drafting  mission or of a BC or DN flying solo on the opposing side.

If you'd like to encourage line ship use, give them a real benefit.  This is like saying I'll give you a penny if a bird craps on your head while standing on one foot on Tuesday.

[Dizzy]

This is like saying I'll give you a penny if a bird craps on your head while standing on one foot on Tuesday.

Yeah but in all the last servers it was only one day a year, not once every week.

[FPF-Paladin]

Voted...