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Offline Electric Eye

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Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« on: March 13, 2007, 11:10:40 pm »
It's fixing to go bye-bye, viacom has filed a 1 billion dollar lawsuit of Google gaggle's recent purchase of You Tube for 1.5 billion dollars.

I expect tracking software to come next.

Yes, I'm watching it 24/7 like MTV was back in the day, and more videos and stuff are going BYE-BYE.

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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2007, 07:18:30 pm »
greedy bastards.  >:(
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2007, 07:50:26 pm »
It's funny they waited until AFTER Google agreed to buy them out for 1.5 billion, then turn around with a 1 billion lawsuit, eh?

I'm no fan of google, but that reeks of greed.

If anything those free videos made me WANT to go buy more retro CDs, and where else can you see Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla for free?

I'll pay 5 bucks for a DVD of it.

I'm sure Don Henley is having a fit!

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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2007, 07:53:31 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:King_Ceasar.jpg

Chuut, you looked so adorable when you were young!  ;D

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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2007, 07:56:23 pm »
Interpol in Japan rocks! They always save the day!



We also see Chuut always has a case of the arse when he wakes up!  :o

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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2007, 06:01:50 am »
I knew this had to happen sooner or later.  Frankly, I'm surprised the BBC isn't suing them as well. 

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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2007, 09:15:55 am »
It's about time.

If they'd kept it to user created content (home movies and such) I wouldn't care, but they went way outta bounds when they started posting entire episodes of old shows and movies.

Good for Viacom, I hope they win the lawsuit- maybe others will follow suit and sue them as well.
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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2007, 09:54:53 am »
TV content should be free.  If they wanted to charge for it, they should'nt've BROADCAST IT ON THE FRIGGIN OPEN AIR WAVES in the first place.
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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2007, 12:37:36 pm »
TV content should be free.  If they wanted to charge for it, they should'nt've BROADCAST IT ON THE FRIGGIN OPEN AIR WAVES in the first place.

If you wanted to watch it again and again, you shoulda taped it when it was first broadcast. Same goes with music, if you wanted it on CD you shoulda recorded it when they played it on the radio.
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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2007, 01:02:48 pm »
TV content should be free.  If they wanted to charge for it, they should'nt've BROADCAST IT ON THE FRIGGIN OPEN AIR WAVES in the first place.

Not quite... those stations pay for it... Commercials are used to cover the cost.  However the "commercials" that playing now at the side of the web page are paying the owners of YouTube (google) but yet Google isn't paying ANYONE for content.  If you want the content you are free and able to contact the rightful owner of that content and attempt to license its use.  More over you might be able to buy that content in DVD or VHS format... FOR YOUR PERSONAL USE.

However If I tape all the family guy episodes and then start my own "broadcast tv" station that plays those episodes, and I make money by people buying advert space on my "broadcast tv" station.  I am breaking the law... The original broadcaster has to pay the owner and distributor (as well as the makers indirectly), I am not allowed to steal it, rebroadcast it, AND make money while I do so.

That is in effect what YouTube is doing.  If there was zero advertisement on the page and no one made a dime on it... you might have a shot at slipping it by someone... however that is not the case.

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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2007, 04:32:44 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Tube

Though YouTube had done its part to comply with NBC's demands, the incident made the news, giving YouTube its most prominent publicity yet. As the site continued to grow, NBC began to realize the possibilities, and in June 2006 made an unusual move. The network had reconsidered its actions and was announcing a strategic partnership with YouTube. Under the terms of the partnership, an official NBC channel was set up on YouTube, showcasing promotional clips for the series The Office. YouTube will also promote NBC's videos throughout its site.[19]

CBS, which had previously also asked YouTube to remove several of its clips, followed suit in July 2006. In a statement indicative of how the traditional media industry's perception of YouTube (and similar sites) has changed, Sean McManus, president of CBS News and Sports noted:

“ Our inclination now is, the more exposure we get from clips like that, the better it is for CBS News and the CBS television network, so in retrospect we probably should have embraced the exposure, and embraced the attention it was bringing CBS, instead of being parochial and saying ‘let’s pull it down.’[20]

This could be huge, CBS AND NBC  are just as big if not bigger in the balls sector than Viacom.

On October 9, CBS, along with Universal Music Group and Sony BMG Music Entertainment, also agreed to provide content to YouTube.[23]

On January 29, 2007, the co-founder of YouTube, Chad Hurley, announced that the on-line video service will pay its active users, who should also be true copyright owners, a part of the website's revenue gained from advertising. However, at the World Economic Forum, Mr. Hurley did not mention a concrete amount of money that YouTube will pay its contributors.[24]

Sony BMG??? Uhhhmmmm, Viacom, you are definitely outflanked there!

On February 2, 2007, Viacom demanded YouTube to take down more than 100,000 videos, all of which are held by MTV, Comedy Central and Nickelodeon.[36]

MTV (Has-been), Comedy Central (Old folks watch it), and Nickelodeon (Kids used to watch it but now have better things on TV and their P/C.).

My guess is Viacom is gonna come out on the losing side as Sony BMG and CBS and others come in with the cash and assistance like they did with Napster. Also consider the content of You tube, 100,000 videos is a drop in the bucket compared to their content. Look at MTV Overdrive, it's essentially the same as last year content wise. What a dudround call that was.

IMHO, good luck Viacom... NOT!  ;D


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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2007, 07:52:41 am »
I wonder if those deals involved commercial time/funds...

Hmmm anyone want to bet?

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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2007, 09:38:53 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Tube


On February 2, 2007, Viacom demanded YouTube to take down more than 100,000 videos, all of which are held by MTV, Comedy Central and Nickelodeon.[36]

MTV (Has-been), Comedy Central (Old folks watch it), and Nickelodeon (Kids used to watch it but now have better things on TV and their P/C.).



These key lines say it all. MTV, Comedy Central, Nick are all cable channels (which subscribers pay for), so to view these channels content for free via You_Tube IS copyright infringement. You_Tube isn't paying for this content and is letting anyone with internet access view this stuff (for free) as the internet service providers arent paying Viacom either.
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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2007, 03:47:29 pm »
Yet Viacom would be shooting themselves in the foot, IMHO, for the short term. Why? Ever since SBC and Time Warner and Comcast and others have been paying big lobbying money for TV over internet, it has gained momentum.

So you say it will never happen? Just a few years ago cable companies would not touch DishNetwork or Direct TV, now they are pretty much partners in the same bed, AND for a less expensive price than for DSL or Cable lines alone, much less the cost of a regular Dish setup.

I can remember when Dish with a few extras cost almost 100 bucks, now SBC (Or in the case, cable with time Warner) will handle your DSL or cable modem , a DSL or cable phone line too, AND a sat dish with a lot of programs for under 100 bucks a month.

Napster did not stand a chance due to everyone being left in the dirt (The guy was a teenage genius) with the technology and the inventiveness at the time, now they are more intelligent and will pursue whatever edge they can get, even a media outlet such as YouTube.

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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2007, 10:50:25 am »
TV content should be free.  If they wanted to charge for it, they should'nt've BROADCAST IT ON THE FRIGGIN OPEN AIR WAVES in the first place.

If you wanted to watch it again and again, you shoulda taped it when it was first broadcast. Same goes with music, if you wanted it on CD you shoulda recorded it when they played it on the radio.

....which is also illegal.

The system is flawed. It needs to be fixed.

Viacom probably won't get anything. That's just my opinion.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2007, 12:45:27 pm »
Good luck with that one.  The MPAA and the RIAA can throw more money at Congress than sane people can.  It won't be fixed.  Not without a wave of Senators and Representatives that actually care for the good of the people rather than all the money they can make on Capitol Hill.
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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2007, 06:41:03 pm »
TV content should be free.  If they wanted to charge for it, they should'nt've BROADCAST IT ON THE FRIGGIN OPEN AIR WAVES in the first place.

If you wanted to watch it again and again, you shoulda taped it when it was first broadcast. Same goes with music, if you wanted it on CD you shoulda recorded it when they played it on the radio.

....which is also illegal.



The system is flawed. It needs to be fixed.

Viacom probably won't get anything. That's just my opinion.

Why is it illegal ?? If you really believe that, then recording devices as a whole should be illegal.

I remember a few years ago I purchased snow white, cinderella, lady and the tramp on VHS because they we're supposed to be the last time they were going to be offered (according to Disney), then 2 years later they were all offered again on DVD.

THAT should be illegal, but Disney assumes I won't persue a class action lawsuit against them.
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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2007, 07:09:27 pm »
It WAS the last time they were offered..........on VHS.  That was also the way it was worded, if I remember correctly.

And, yes, technically, it is illegal to record some televised events...sporting events come immediately to mind.
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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2007, 08:09:38 am »
TV content should be free.  If they wanted to charge for it, they should'nt've BROADCAST IT ON THE FRIGGIN OPEN AIR WAVES in the first place.

If you wanted to watch it again and again, you shoulda taped it when it was first broadcast. Same goes with music, if you wanted it on CD you shoulda recorded it when they played it on the radio.

....which is also illegal.

The system is flawed. It needs to be fixed.

Viacom probably won't get anything. That's just my opinion.

No it isn't... sorry but if people are just gonna regurgitate what they "THINK" is true, then why even discuss it.  That is the biggest problem with Copyright law, most people never bother to actually know what is legal and not.

Recording ANYTHING for private use from a public source is pretty much always legal.  Watching it is legal, it is when you go to MAKE MONEY from  that material there is a problem.

That is the problem with YouTube.  People are making money from copyrighted material they didn't purchase the rights to. 

If I go to a book reading I am allowed to hand copy every word spoken, if I so desire.  However I am not allowed to then go outside the store, photocopy my hand copied version and sell it for 1/4 the price of the original book.  Nor am I allowed to give it away free, if I am paid by advertisers to have the first 3 pages of that pirated book laced with ads.

That, in effect, is what You Tube does. 

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Re: Watch or copy your favorite videos off you tube now
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2007, 05:02:07 pm »
Sweet Mary Mother of God, Raven and I are agreeing so much it's like we've joined...er um, never mind, but he's right.
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