Topic: SGO7 Sides-Final

[Hexx]

Got bored waiting for people to stop yapping or send me PM's about where fleets want to fly.
Seriously peeps.

You'll all complain about it, but try asking some of you where fleets want to go and it's like silence..
(well..actually it is silence..not like silence..think I was looking for a differnt word there..<sigh>)


Sides are F/G/H/I vs K/L/R/M

[Dizzy]

Ok then. If Krueg agrees then I'll start the map design.

[Hexx]

START!!!??? You bastard, it better be finished by tongiht!!

Kruegy's already signed off on those sides once, not my favourite races but <shrug>
guess I can play with F14's and hellebores for a couple weeks.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Got bored waiting for people to stop yapping or send me PM's about where fleets want to fly.
Seriously peeps.

You'll all complain about it, but try asking some of you where fleets want to go and it's like silence..
(well..actually it is silence..not like silence..think I was looking for a differnt word there..<sigh>)


Sides are F/G/H/I vs K/L/R/M

Wait!  You asked people?     Oh right some fleets. 2? Traditional races saw the alliance beat up the coalition last round and now you take the ISC away. I don't want to hear anymore balance crap! You now own photons , PPD and hellbores and the best fighters.  I hear it's not a hex flippers map with lower DVs as well. Shameful.   And don't even start on how many have responded for each side to the sign-up threads. Since when have they been an accurate baromter for who shows up.  Traditional races, pimp your people and put up your dukes.

[Dizzy]

Yeah, the three long range heavy hitters are on the same team in Hexx's version, but there are two other choices Krueg can choose that they arnt.

See, here's where we can get interesting. I wanted an ISC civil war last server where at some point ISC ships unlock for another race of the other side... Same with the LDR. That would add some serious uniqueness to the campaign... and some considerable fun...

We can go on and on about sides, but Krueg has to make a choice. The one Hexx supports, I do not, but if Krueg does then we finalize it.

[KBFKaz]

See, here's where we can get interesting. I wanted an ISC civil war last server where at some point ISC ships unlock for another race of the other side... Same with the LDR. That would add some serious uniqueness to the campaign... and some considerable fun...

 

Now that sounds like good fun. I'd be up for this. 

[Hexx]

Fine.

I don't care.

I was told to "decide " on  team.
Kreug and I had one (so i thought) then it seemed to get dropped by teh wayside.
(this was the original (I think) F/R/L/H
But (from waht i understood,could be wrong-no one will answer a PM)
Some players didn't like it as it meant they wouldn't fly their ships with who they wanted.

Given new ones to choose from.
Have not heard anything since, except from Kreug and Dizzy telling each other to make the choice.
And I can't help but notice neither has done it yet.
So I thought I'd get it going.

But nope, let's talk about it some more.
Tell you what Dax- you make up the sides.

Feds vs Klinks.
Fill in the rest and let me know.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

Fine.

I don't care.

I was told to "decide " on  team.
Kreug and I had one (so i thought) then it seemed to get dropped by teh wayside.
(this was the original (I think) F/R/L/H
But (from waht i understood,could be wrong-no one will answer a PM)
Some players didn't like it as it meant they wouldn't fly their ships with who they wanted.

Given new ones to choose from.
Have not heard anything since, except from Kreug and Dizzy telling each other to make the choice.
And I can't help but notice neither has done it yet.
So I thought I'd get it going.

But nope, let's talk about it some more.
Tell you what Dax- you make up the sides.

Feds vs Klinks.
Fill in the rest and let me know.

Feds, Mirak, Gron and Hydran

Vs.

Klingon, Romulan, Lyran and ISC

[FSD Warp10]

I can speak for FSD and say that we plan to fly lyran for which ever side to which it is assigned. However we all would highly prefer to fly with the coalition. I fear our turnout might be diminished if we are assigned to the Alliance.

[ChAotiCIllusion]

Quick questions:

Why not traditional alliances? (I know technically this puts the ISC on their own but we normally put them with coalition for balance).

Why are the PVP races stacked in favour of the alliance and hex flipping to coalition?(With the current rules posted making hex flipping fairly unimportant but PVP very important).

Why can't ISC and Lyran be on the same side? (it's not like they haven't been together on pretty much every server beforehand and never had a problem).

Do you really expect the older ISC players to dutifully follow to the alliance after the crap we've had to put up with in the past?

I'm still trying to remember which server it was where all the coalition players they tried to force onto alliance just switched races to stick with coalition and flew something new anyone any ideas was a while ago a repeat of that could be pretty funny.

Just seems at the moment like the alliances are being messed with for no good reason other than let's see what happens.

[FPF-DieHard]

 

[Julin Eurthyr]

I'm still trying to remember which server it was where all the coalition players they tried to force onto alliance just switched races to stick with coalition and flew something new anyone any ideas was a while ago a repeat of that could be pretty funny.

Just seems at the moment like the alliances are being messed with for no good reason other than let's see what happens.

I think it was a litterbox which had fed / klink flying together, and a lot of players found themselves in Rommie / Mirak / ISC hulls...

[Dizzy]

Krueg and Hexx have 2 basic choices both with variants on whether the Roms and Gorn will fly Aliance or Coalition. They will either agree or disagree. If they disagree, I'll choose, although they already know my choice and have accepted it as backup. Either way, I reserve the right to deploy the LDR and ISC civil war forces or not as I see fit in limited fashion.

And no, Tobin the Lyr and ISC will not fly for the same team, sorry.

[Dizzy]

Do you really expect the older ISC players to dutifully follow to the alliance after the crap we've had to put up with in the past?

Explain.

[SurveyCrew]

Just start the freaking server!   

[ChAotiCIllusion]

Do you really expect the older ISC players to dutifully follow to the alliance after the crap we've had to put up with in the past?

Explain.

You really don't but anyways let's see.
How about the many many feds who have accused us of cheating over the years I think pretty much every experienced ISC player had at least 2 I currently have 5 Feds along with 1 Klingon. A lot of ISC players left purely cos they were sick of putting up with crap like that pretty much always feds.

How about the fact everytime they are actually losing a server it's because the server is unbalanced, they are outnumbered (even when they aren't) or because we cheat.

How about whinging about how overpowered the ISC ships are while lobbying to get themselves some of the most stupidly overpowered ships in the game because they deserve them as they are feds.

But anyway that is a bit of a digression from the main questions which were:

Why not traditional alliances? (I know technically this puts the ISC on their own but we normally put them with coalition for balance).

Why are the PVP races stacked in favour of the alliance and hex flipping to coalition?(With the current rules posted making hex flipping fairly unimportant but PVP very important).

Why can't ISC and Lyran be on the same side? (it's not like they haven't been together on pretty much every server beforehand and never had a problem).

Also I think the server was one of the RT ones I know we had a post up in the ISC forum about flying klink and lyran but it's been deleted since then was just a few years ago.

[Hexx]

Do you really expect the older ISC players to dutifully follow to the alliance after the crap we've had to put up with in the past?

Explain.

You really don't but anyways let's see.
How about the many many feds who have accused us of cheating over the years I think pretty much every experienced ISC player had at least 2 I currently have 5 Feds along with 1 Klingon. A lot of ISC players left purely cos they were sick of putting up with crap like that pretty much always feds.

How about the fact everytime they are actually losing a server it's because the server is unbalanced, they are outnumbered (even when they aren't) or because we cheat.

How about whinging about how overpowered the ISC ships are while lobbying to get themselves some of the most stupidly overpowered ships in the game because they deserve them as they are feds.

How about realizing that that sounds like RT era stuff, so about 5 frickin years ago.
How about realizing that it hasn't sounded like that on ANY of the SGO servers.
How about apologizing to Dizzy for the accusation, and STFU about it

But anyway that is a bit of a digression from the main questions which were:

Why not traditional alliances? (I know technically this puts the ISC on their own but we normally put them with coalition for balance).

Why are the PVP races stacked in favour of the alliance and hex flipping to coalition?(With the current rules posted making hex flipping fairly unimportant but PVP very important).

Why can't ISC and Lyran be on the same side? (it's not like they haven't been together on pretty much every server beforehand and never had a problem).

Also I think the server was one of the RT ones I know we had a post up in the ISC forum about flying klink and lyran but it's been deleted since then was just a few years ago.

Now this is a legit concern.
Seems to be because of the Lyran early BC with ISC BCH mixing.
In any event I can fly with or without ISC.
Kinda waiting for Kreug to show up and voice some opinions anyway. Assume he's busy, hopefully nothing serious so maybe he'll be around Sunday night

[Dizzy]

CI, it's all been talked about. I'm sure Krueg will inform you if he has not already. Ck the coalition thread, I'm sure there is a link discussing just that.

[ChAotiCIllusion]

How about realizing that that sounds like RT era stuff, so about 5 frickin years ago.
How about realizing that it hasn't sounded like that on ANY of the SGO servers.
How about apologizing to Dizzy for the accusation, and STFU about it

Well having being accused on RDSL and SGO 3 or 4 can't remember which the point still stands and if Dizzy take it as an insult for some unknown reason when it wasn't a shot at Dizzy at all then I apologize for whatever I did; which as far as I can tell is nothing.

CI, it's all been talked about. I'm sure Krueg will inform you if he has not already. Ck the coalition thread, I'm sure there is a link discussing just that.

Have done even posted those exact same questions as far as I can tell Krueg doesn't know the answers. So can you answer them please.

[KBFLordKrueg]

After leaving the thread up for a little over 24 hrs for pilots to express their views and opinions on what sides they desired...
The majority voted for FHGI vs KLRM.
So, unless there are more objections, let's go with that.