Topic: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel

[Lieutenant_Q]

Sounds like the same crap that was spewed out before the BSG remake went live.

And we all saw what that got us...

Thanks guys...  You let them ruin a borderline Sci-fi genre, now looks what it's gotten us into...

Yep, it got us the best damn scifi show on TV in over a generation....

Perhaps, but does this "best damn scifi show" bear any resemblance to the original BattleStar Galactica?  Regardless of what you thought of that show, think about this for a moment.  Would you be happy with Trek XI bearing no resemblance to TOS?

[Commander La'ra]

Perhaps, but does this "best damn scifi show" bear any resemblance to the original BattleStar Galactica?

Yes, though only in concept.

Regardless of what you thought of that show, think about this for a moment.  Would you be happy with Trek XI bearing no resemblance to TOS?

It's easy to answer 'no!' to this question.  Most fans would.  Yet...if it was good enough, and kept the same spirit as the original series (something even TNG had only a tenuous grip on), then anyone willing to judge it objectively might answer in the affirmative.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Sounds like the same crap that was spewed out before the BSG remake went live.

And we all saw what that got us...

Thanks guys...  You let them ruin a borderline Sci-fi genre, now looks what it's gotten us into...

Yep, it got us the best damn scifi show on TV in over a generation....

Perhaps, but does this "best damn scifi show" bear any resemblance to the original BattleStar Galactica?  Regardless of what you thought of that show, think about this for a moment.  Would you be happy with Trek XI bearing no resemblance to TOS?

If the quality that exists in the new BSG were applied to a new Star Trek, yes.

I would be more than pleased, I would probably be estatic over it....

And yes, the new BSG is still the sole surviving battlestar leading the last remenants of the 12 colonies to earth. 

It is fairly dark in nature, but shouldn't it be?

My favorite part of season II was the survivor count during each episode's begining credits... less than 50K....

[Commander Maxillius]

They should do a TV series on ArticFires campaign and include are characters in it 

Attack of the Kitties I would be hilarious

[Soreyes]

They should do a TV series on ArticFires campaign and include are characters in it 

Attack of the Kitties I would be hilarious

    That could be the closest thing to a "Red Dwarf" series 

[Commander Maxillius]

They should do a TV series on ArticFires campaign and include are characters in it 

Attack of the Kitties I would be hilarious

    That could be the closest thing to a "Red Dwarf" series 

OOO!  A fusion of Attack of the Kitties and Sockfoot's Big Adventure!! 

[Hyperion]

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Well, there goes about half my enthusiasm.

When people start 're-imagining' thigs they tend to suck big time.

Star Trek already has a crappy film history lately and now they want to play around with it again, I guess they learnt nothing from the Berman years

[Commander La'ra]

Casino Royale, Batman Begins, and Battlestar Galactica were all superior to the films that came before them despite being 'sucky reimagining'.  If they can do it, why can't Trek?

[Clark Kent]

Casino Royale, Batman Begins, and Battlestar Galactica were all superior to the films that came before them despite being 'sucky reimagining'.  If they can do it, why can't Trek?

They can, it's just that the level of suckage for trek has been rising so high for so long it seems unlikely that it will be washed away with this series reset.  Besides, casino royale was a prequel, from what I've read, BB  comes from comic books where reimagining is common place and canon has multiple versions, and BSG, well, it just sucked donkey dung from the beginning.  Sorry, awesome concept, terrible plots and character development.
For forty some odd years trek has followed the same storyline fairly faithfully and catored to a relatively small niche audience.  Do you think that paramount will give a flying fat one about that fringe, near cult (in their view) audienceduring a reimagining?  They've shown no indication that they have for years now, somehow I expect this to be a move to reinvent the wheel , gain real ratings with mindless sheople tripe and cut loose the Trekkies once and for all, unless of course they want to be mainstream.

[Commander La'ra]

Casino Royale was, in fact, a reboot.  They made that pretty clear.

And I understand what you're saying about how Paramount has treated Trek.  However, I think that the reboot idea could be a very good one...get some new blood involved and start all over and see if it takes us someplace we like.  Sometimes we can learn from comic books, ya' know?

[Lieutenant_Q]

Batman Begins is a reboot as well.  And the series needed it.  They figured out too late that the best part of Batman was that the Villians survived to harass Gotham another day.

The James Bond concept just doesn't fit well with the times anymore.  It was best when it was Bond versus the Soviet Union.  Rather than Bond vs. some rich crackpot.

As for BattleStar Galactica.  The Miniseries was nice, the series just couldn't maintain my interest.

[Ravok]

Sounds like the same crap that was spewed out before the BSG remake went live.

And we all saw what that got us...

Thanks guys...  You let them ruin a borderline Sci-fi genre, now looks what it's gotten us into...

Yep, it got us the best damn scifi show on TV in over a generation....

Perhaps, but does this "best damn scifi show" bear any resemblance to the original BattleStar Galactica?  Regardless of what you thought of that show, think about this for a moment.  Would you be happy with Trek XI bearing no resemblance to TOS?

 The original BSG was a corny ,hokey,cheesy pile of slop. Bad storeys,with one dimensional shallow "Hero's" Or grotesque caricatures of what a hero should be.

 Why anybody over the age of 13 would like it was beyond me. And what the heck does it have anything to do a t all with Star Trek other than both are in space????

[Hexx]

Like it or not it needs a reimaging.. face it- the OS did do some ground breaking stuff at the time

But it needs new (and more) fans.
And likely the best way to do that is something a little edgier
I mean, from my point of view- I can go back and watch some of the originals 9although some are just too painful)
I can't really watch many TNG episodes -  the plots just seem atrocius, same with Vogaeur (although I'm one that never really watched that)
DS9- imo- has some of the best episodes that actually tend to deal with stuff- like the Federation not being absolutely perfect- and some people liked that, some fanbois hated it.
Enterprise was (kinda) doomed from the start-  trying to retcon a series into Trek wouldn't bea easy at the best of times. And given wild and kinda oddly chosen story arcs to begin with didn't help.

All the other series mentioned may not appeal to anyone, but I'd have a hard time believing anyone who said that the original Batman/BSG/Bond whatver stories were consistently better before the reissue.
Ironically- perhaps the further they get away from some of Gene's viewpoints, the better the series would be.

[Vipre]

...perhaps the further they get away from some of Gene's viewpoints, the better the series would be.

I always thought his viewpoints where the moral of the stories and not the stories themselves?

Episodes dealing with racism, equality, war, tyranny, oppression, compassion, love lost, revenge,  the "What if" alternate history episodes and of course your "what does it mean to be human" or "wdimtb Alive" ones.

One of the most famous is a retelling of Moby Dick after all.

[Hexx]

Hmm-actually phrased that poorly.
Not his vision, but maybe what his vision seemed to morph into

A number of the shows (imo) fealt with some problems humans had (in hte past) and explained how "humans" got around htem and worked stuff out.
I found that from TNG on though- it seemed to be every alien species encountered was amazed at just how cool humanity was.
Always seemed whatver any of them did, humans could do it better.

ANd- again imo- some of hte nest stories were from the DS9 series, especially the ones with the Maquis, or Section 31, or how the Roms were persudaed to join the Dominion War.. from what I understand (and I may be wrong) this was very much against his vision, that the Federation was pretty much entirely perfect, and that it would prevail through that alone.

[Vipre]

I see what you're saying. When it became more about making money off the franchise and ratings position it lost something. The Dominion war only started to compete with Babylon 5's Shadow war or so I heard.

[Nemesis]

Why anybody over the age of 13 would like it was beyond me.

Sheba.

[Bad Cyborg]

Sheba.

Right. Ms. Lockhart is adequate for her time. But this is 2007. So let's recap. Old BSG has this.



And new BSG has this.



I'd say that is a vast improvement, wouldn't you?

And yeah, I'm all for a total overhaul of the creaky old Trek franchise.

[Vipre]

Brilliant pic comparison, it's a bit ironic how accurately it reflects remakes vs originals.

Remakes over originals
  Ass      over   class

[Nemesis]

I'd say that is a vast improvement, wouldn't you?

I'll stick with Sheba.  Remember her role.  Fighter pilot and commander of a fighter squadron.  Showing skin isn't part of the role.