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Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« on: March 08, 2007, 10:51:47 am »
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2007, 11:18:15 am »
Sounds like the same crap that was spewed out before the BSG remake went live.

And we all saw what that got us...

Thanks guys...  You let them ruin a borderline Sci-fi genre, now looks what it's gotten us into...
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2007, 11:34:04 am »
As long as James T Kirk doesn't become Janine T Kirk I'm good :P

Seriously, it could be great!
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2007, 11:37:10 am »
I can see it now.

Kirk will be gay, Spock will be a female with an on again-off again intimate relationship with McCoy.
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2007, 11:49:36 am »
This is probably the best thing they could do.

Trek, over the years, has gotten farther and farther away from the semi-racy (yeah, it was for it's time) social and philisophical commentary spliced with adventure that TOS did so well.  With TNG, preaching and technobabble was the order of the day, and that just got worse with Voyager.  Enterprise tried to get some of that back...but it had the misfortune of being saddled with B&B's wishes to do a time travel series and some truly hit or miss writing.

Worse, Trekkies are getting more and more snarky about useless details, like the NX-01 'looking like the Akira'.

So the re-imagining idea might be the best way to go.  Tell a good story with the NCC-1701 and crew and extend a nice middle finger to anyone who bitches about the details, and they might just reignite the franchise (like Casino Royale did for Bond). 

Yeah, there's potential for disaster, but there always is.
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2007, 05:52:42 pm »
I'd say since it's going to be early days of Kirk, it could be successful...but the problem with Trek is that if you please the fans...they'll save your series at least for another season...but if you displease them...they'll bury you.

Period.
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2007, 04:35:19 pm »
This main plot of this film has to be about the Kobiyashi Maru (sp) scenario.  That imho is the most referenced "pre-Star Trek" incident ever referred to in all of the series.  That scenario is the one that defines Kirk.

So I'd like to see that scenario done "during the Academy", followed by a "rl" Kobiyashi Maru type scenario to end the film.
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2007, 05:29:48 pm »
Quote from: AcePylut on March 12, 2007, 04:35:19 pm
This main plot of this film has to be about the Kobiyashi Maru (sp) scenario.  That imho is the most referenced "pre-Star Trek" incident ever referred to in all of the series.  That scenario is the one that defines Kirk.

So I'd like to see that scenario done "during the Academy", followed by a "rl" Kobiyashi Maru type scenario to end the film.

You mean like STII:  The Wrath of Khan?


Since this is a 'reimagining' situation...

The Federation is engaged in a low-grade border skirmish with the Klingon Empire that occasionally flares up into armed conflict.  Political forces in the Federation are split, with a major side (led by the Vulcans) pushing for peaceful negotiations and a second side (led by Tellarite and/or Andorians) pushing for Starfleet to abandon their scientific role and adopt a pure military role.  Humans and some other major Federation races are equally split on the issue...

Act One:

Commander James T. Kirk commanding a border patrol picket ship picks up a distress call from a freighter that was attacked and is now powerless, drifting into the neutral zone.  Kirk investigates and decides it is a trap, which he knowingly springs. When the Klingons attack from their hiding place, he smashes them into nearby asteroids using a clever tractor beam manuever, and saves the freighter. 

Meanwhile on-board the USS Enterprise, NCC-1701 currently in orbit over Earth, Commander Spock, the ship's first officer, is walking with Captain Pike, discussing the possibility of Pike's appointment to the Admiralty.  Pike's position as an advocate of not abandoning Starfleet's Research and Exploration role is well known and we get  a sense of the conflict within the Federation.  Spock of course supports his Captain's position and encourages him to take the Admiralty position, but Pike wonders who will replace him as Captain of the Enterprise. 

As the two pass through Engineering, a coolant line explodes, injuring several crewmembers.  Pike orders Spock to assist several injured crewmembers while he shuts down the coolant system.  Spock goes back in to save him after saving the other crew members, but Pike is severely injured, his career in Starfleet over. 

Commander James T. Kirk is recalled to Earth, where he receives a medal for his valor and bravery.  He is called in to speak to a human Admiral that is a key figure in the side advocating a militant starfleet.  James Kirk seems supportive of the hints dropped by the Admiral, agreeing that the Federation must be protected from those who would destroy it.  The Admiral seems pleased, and announces that after Captain Pike's serious injury, the Federation's finest ship needs a new captain, and James T. Kirk will be that Captain.  Kirk is happy, and goes to celebrate with his best friend, Dr. Leonard H. McCoy.  During dinner, he talks McCoy into reactivating his Starfleet comission, which upsets McCoy's wife.  She threatens to leave him if he goes back into Starfleet.  McCoy is torn and calls Jim back to tell him he can't go...

Hmmm, you know, maybe I should just write this script...what do y'all think? 

Oh, and the end of the movie...

These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise.  Her five year mission, to seek out new worlds and new civilizations.  To boldly go where no one has gone before....(Tells you which side wins the debate in the movie...but now how...Oh, and McCoy/Spock will carry out the argument of both sides in the debate throughout the movie, with Kirk in the middle as different crisis erupts.  A subplot will be the investigation by Spock into the accident, during which we meet Assistant Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott, New Helsman Lieutenant Hikaru Sulu, Assistant Communications Officer, Ensign Uhura, Senior Cadet Pavel Chekhov, Yeoman Janice Rand, and a few others...)
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2007, 05:42:51 pm »
Ah!

Support and bashing aimed at a movie that has yet to name a single actor as being in the film, not had a single line writen on an official script or even had a set built yet.

Gotta love Trekkies.

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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2007, 11:25:19 am »
Quote from: Governor Ronjar on March 12, 2007, 05:42:51 pm
Ah!

Support and bashing aimed at a movie that has yet to name a single actor as being in the film, not had a single line writen on an official script or even had a set built yet.

Gotta love Trekkies.

--thu guv!

Yep, actually its not the Trekkie in me that's nervous though.  The exact same words were spoken by Ronald Moore when he began work on the BattleStar Galactica Remake.  A Remake that has pissed off die hard Galacticans everywhere.
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2007, 12:18:27 pm »
Quote from: Lieutenant_Q on March 20, 2007, 11:25:19 am
Quote from: Governor Ronjar on March 12, 2007, 05:42:51 pm
Ah!

Support and bashing aimed at a movie that has yet to name a single actor as being in the film, not had a single line writen on an official script or even had a set built yet.

Gotta love Trekkies.

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Yep, actually its not the Trekkie in me that's nervous though.  The exact same words were spoken by Ronald Moore when he began work on the BattleStar Galactica Remake.  A Remake that has pissed off die hard Galacticans everywhere.

See, now I'd be more enthused if it was Ron Moore doing this reimagining...this die-hard BSG fan from the 1970's just loves the new BSG, and loves watching all the die-hards who squeeze their eyes shut, hold their hands over their ears and scream No NO NO NO NO NO NO!  I'm not sure which is more entertaining, the show or the unable to adapt fan geeks reaction to the new show...either one might make the new Star Trek a good experience...
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2007, 12:39:30 pm »
Die-hard Galacticans might've screamed, but lots of people screamed about how awesome the new BSG is too.  And honestly, it'd take a deeply biased person to watch the new series and still deny it's not worlds better than the original.
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2007, 12:57:35 pm »
See, but here's the problem.  I saw this coming when BSG first came out and when Enterprise was starting to sink.  TOS will be reimagined, BSG's success all but gauranteed that.  But it will be re-imagined by people who say they are fans, but they just didn't understand why they did this and that, despite this and that being a core part of the original.  I spoke often with a lot of these hard core fans when the series came out, I was one of the people that actually liked the Mini-Series.  Although the subsequent seasons turned me off from the program.  The railed against it, some of them didn't even give it a chance.  A few looked at it and said, "If it didn't say BattleStar Galactica on it, it would be a great program."

Now regarding TOS, that series has always been the red-headed step child as it was, despite being the original series, The subsequent series were related to it in name only.  TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT are closer to each other than TOS is to any of them.  So they will remake TOS in the image of Enterprise.  It makes sense from a franchise perspective.  How many of you are interested in seeing an Enterprised TOS?
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2007, 01:10:07 pm »
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Now regarding TOS, that series has always been the red-headed step child as it was, despite being the original series, The subsequent series were related to it in name only.  TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT are closer to each other than TOS is to any of them.  So they will remake TOS in the image of Enterprise.  It makes sense from a franchise perspective.  How many of you are interested in seeing an Enterprised TOS?

I actually thought Enterprise was a move back toward the spirit of TOS, though the execution seriously lacked until the fourth season (discounting the final episode).  That said, you're correct in how the series are related to each other and agree that trying to make TOS seem like the others would not be an idea I'm that enthusiastic about.

But we don't KNOW they're going to do that, and there's some hope that that's not their plan...it's the post-TNG crop that's tanked at the box office and given us seven seasons of Voyager and messed up a great concept and wasted and excellent cast with the second and third seasons of Enterprise.  If they're reimagining to get away from that precedent...there's hope. :)
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2007, 11:14:01 am »
I think it's a long time in coming.  If they limit the "Enterprisiation" of TOS to tech and sets and keep the level of characterization and storylines at the same level, that alone would beat the crap out of BSG and the Stargate franchise. 

EXACTLY how it should be ;D  Now, if some of SG-1's writers were to come on board after the upgrade, then Trek would have a whole new fanbase, which is something IMHO I think Trek needs desperately.
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2007, 06:01:14 pm »
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I think it's a long time in coming.  If they limit the "Enterprisiation" of TOS to tech and sets and keep the level of characterization and storylines at the same level, that alone would beat the crap out of BSG and the Stargate franchise. 

EXACTLY how it should be ;D  Now, if some of SG-1's writers were to come on board after the upgrade, then Trek would have a whole new fanbase, which is something IMHO I think Trek needs desperately.

Four words:  Ben Browder  Casting Couch

My partner hates the idea, I say that he would be great for a main role in the script I wrote, which is being looked at by one of the production companies responsible for the show he did before SG-1...
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2007, 10:40:29 am »
i never like the new galactica

a new startrek serie would be great BUT not like the do with enterprise, another ship that enterprise would be interesting to see what the encounter, like the potemkin who battle the enterprise during the ultimate computer "M5"

IF any or ALL of us would wright the new startrek serie would make it super and stick Cannon (as much cannon it can be)

well we all can dream  :-\
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2007, 08:52:47 pm »
They should do a TV series on ArticFires campaign and include are characters in it  ;D
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2007, 05:40:58 pm »
Quote from: Lieutenant_Q on March 08, 2007, 11:18:15 am
Sounds like the same crap that was spewed out before the BSG remake went live.

And we all saw what that got us...

Thanks guys...  You let them ruin a borderline Sci-fi genre, now looks what it's gotten us into...

Yep, it got us the best damn scifi show on TV in over a generation....
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Re: Star Trek XI writers: Film a re-imagining, not prequel
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2007, 05:45:43 pm »
Quote from: TheJudge on March 12, 2007, 05:29:48 pm
You mean like STII:  The Wrath of Khan?


Since this is a 'reimagining' situation...

The Federation is engaged in a low-grade border skirmish with the Klingon Empire that occasionally flares up into armed conflict.  Political forces in the Federation are split, with a major side (led by the Vulcans) pushing for peaceful negotiations and a second side (led by Tellarite and/or Andorians) pushing for Starfleet to abandon their scientific role and adopt a pure military role.  Humans and some other major Federation races are equally split on the issue...

Act One:

Commander James T. Kirk commanding a border patrol picket ship picks up a distress call from a freighter that was attacked and is now powerless, drifting into the neutral zone.  Kirk investigates and decides it is a trap, which he knowingly springs. When the Klingons attack from their hiding place, he smashes them into nearby asteroids using a clever tractor beam manuever, and saves the freighter. 

Meanwhile on-board the USS Enterprise, NCC-1701 currently in orbit over Earth, Commander Spock, the ship's first officer, is walking with Captain Pike, discussing the possibility of Pike's appointment to the Admiralty.  Pike's position as an advocate of not abandoning Starfleet's Research and Exploration role is well known and we get  a sense of the conflict within the Federation.  Spock of course supports his Captain's position and encourages him to take the Admiralty position, but Pike wonders who will replace him as Captain of the Enterprise. 

As the two pass through Engineering, a coolant line explodes, injuring several crewmembers.  Pike orders Spock to assist several injured crewmembers while he shuts down the coolant system.  Spock goes back in to save him after saving the other crew members, but Pike is severely injured, his career in Starfleet over. 

Commander James T. Kirk is recalled to Earth, where he receives a medal for his valor and bravery.  He is called in to speak to a human Admiral that is a key figure in the side advocating a militant starfleet.  James Kirk seems supportive of the hints dropped by the Admiral, agreeing that the Federation must be protected from those who would destroy it.  The Admiral seems pleased, and announces that after Captain Pike's serious injury, the Federation's finest ship needs a new captain, and James T. Kirk will be that Captain.  Kirk is happy, and goes to celebrate with his best friend, Dr. Leonard H. McCoy.  During dinner, he talks McCoy into reactivating his Starfleet comission, which upsets McCoy's wife.  She threatens to leave him if he goes back into Starfleet.  McCoy is torn and calls Jim back to tell him he can't go...

Hmmm, you know, maybe I should just write this script...what do y'all think? 

Oh, and the end of the movie...

These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise.  Her five year mission, to seek out new worlds and new civilizations.  To boldly go where no one has gone before....(Tells you which side wins the debate in the movie...but now how...Oh, and McCoy/Spock will carry out the argument of both sides in the debate throughout the movie, with Kirk in the middle as different crisis erupts.  A subplot will be the investigation by Spock into the accident, during which we meet Assistant Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott, New Helsman Lieutenant Hikaru Sulu, Assistant Communications Officer, Ensign Uhura, Senior Cadet Pavel Chekhov, Yeoman Janice Rand, and a few others...)

I like where you are going with that... keep it up.

That reminds me... did anything ever get done with your other project from a few years back?

Oh, and if I make an appearance in this one, make me an Andorian please! ;)

OTOH, I wouldn't mind seeing the people who did "Galaxy Quest" behind a new Trek series.

You can tell from that movie alone that they have a better grasp on Trek than B&B ever did....
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