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Offline Don Karnage

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« on: February 23, 2007, 10:59:22 am »
i was wondering what type of video card shold i get?

right now i have a nvidia geforce 6600 and my cpu is amd athlon 64 processor 3000+
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Re: video cards
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2007, 11:03:07 am »
Quote from: DonKarnage on February 23, 2007, 10:59:22 am
i was wondering what type of video card shold i get?

right now i have a nvidia geforce 6600 and my cpu is amd athlon 64 processor 3000+

PCI-E or AGP card Don?

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Re: video cards
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2007, 11:07:56 am »
AGP or PCI-E?

I'm assuming AGP, as I'm I don't believe there to be a Socket A board with a PCI-E slot, but just want to check.

Using the AGP assumption, my next two questions would be--how much you wanna spend, and do you prefer ATI or Nvdia?

If manufacturer isn't an issue, I'd suggest an ATI Radeon X1650XT,  24 pixel pipelines, 256mg of memory and fast as hell.  It'll run you around $170.

I'm running a ATI X850XT and love it, but the 1650 will blow it out of the water.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2007, 11:10:43 am »
My last card was an ATI X800, I traded up to a X1600 AGP.

Love the card, but I had to rollback the drivers. It would drop the signal while playing games. Tried everything I could, reg-edits, BIOS settings, couldn't get it running with the last driver set.

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Re: video cards
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2007, 11:16:43 am »
Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on February 23, 2007, 11:03:07 am
Quote from: DonKarnage on February 23, 2007, 10:59:22 am
i was wondering what type of video card shold i get?

right now i have a nvidia geforce 6600 and my cpu is amd athlon 64 processor 3000+

PCI-E or AGP card Don?

Stephen

that's a good question, i don't know :), well i can check inside the com and tell you where it is plug but that's all i know :)

and i think its 256 megs, well its a 1 1/2 old computer so i don't know.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2007, 11:26:59 am »
well the video card is on a blue slot, if its like the pentium mb its a pci, i notice that the rams is on the black slot, this com is a pentium but m talking about a amd system, the rams on the pentium are on the blue slot, both com have 1 gig of ram, this one don't need a new video card, just ram, i nkow what type of ram it needs, i got the integration guide for the pentium but not sure if i have one for the amd.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2007, 02:18:42 pm »
i check the internet and its an agp: i see 3 card here but only 2 are 256 megs, but i don't know witch one i have: http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php/page_id=5/form_keyword=nvidia+geforce+6600+agp/mode=yahoo_us_a/skd=1/rd=1
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Re: video cards
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2007, 02:22:32 pm »
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Re: video cards
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2007, 02:29:59 pm »
I would try here... http://www.pcclub.com/product_browse.cfm?cat=Video%20Cards&subcat1=PCI%2DE%20Video%20Cards

This is the current grand daddy of all PCI-E cards but It will cost you . http://www.pcclub.com/product_details.cfm?itemno=A9606884

Product Description:

Features:

Memory Interface: 384 bit
RAMDACs: Dual 400 MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 86.4 GB/Sec
Fill Rate: 36.8 billion/sec
Graphics Core: 575 MHz
Chipset: GeForce™ 8800 GTX

Clock rate: 575 MHz
Memory Clock: 1.8 GHz
Dual Link DVI - Supporting digital output up to 2560x1600
Chipset: GeForce 8800 GTX
Memory: 768 MB
Bus Type: PCI-E
Memory Type: DDR3
Memory Bus: 384 bit

Highlighted Features :
SLI ready , HDTV ready , TV Out

NVIDIA® unified architecture with GigaThread™ technology:
Massively multi-threaded architecture supports thousands of independent, simultaneous threads, providing extreme processing efficiency in advanced, next generation shader programs.

NVIDIA® Lumenex™ Engine:
Delivers stunning image quality and floating point accuracy at ultra-fast frame rates.

Full Microsoft® DirectX® 10 Support:
World's first DirectX 10 GPU with full Shader Model 4.0 support delivers unparalleled levels of graphics realism and film-quality effects.

Double Lifetime Warranty:
Now you-and your card's next owner-are both covered by the XFX "shield" of protection. Should something go wrong with your Series 6 or greater Graphics Card, and you've registered the card with us online, we'll cover the cost of repair and service-absolutely free!

Dual 400MHz RAMDACs:
Blazing-fast RAMDACs support dual QXGA displays with ultra-high, ergonomic refresh rates--up to 2048x1536@85Hz.

Dual Link DVI:
Capable of supporting digital output for high resolution monitors (up to 2560x1600).

NVIDIA® SLI™ Technology:
Delivers up to 2x the performance of a single GPU configuration for unparalleled gaming experiences by allowing two graphics cards to run in parallel. The must-have feature for performance PCI Express graphics, SLI dramatically scales performance on over 60 top PC games.

PCI Express™ Support:
Designed to run perfectly with the next-generation PCI Express bus architecture. This new bus doubles the bandwidth of AGP 8X delivering over 4 GB/sec. in both upstream and downstream data transfers.

16x Anti-aliasing:
Lightning fast, high-quality anti-aliasing at up to 16x sample rates obliterates jagged edges.

NVIDIA® PureVideo™ Technology:
The combination of high-definition video processors and NVIDIA DVD decoder software delivers unprecedented picture clarity, smooth video, accurate color, and precise image scaling for all video content to turn your PC into a high-end home theater. (Feature requires supported video software.)

OpenGL™ 2.0 Optimizations and Support:
Ensures top-notch compatibility and performance for all OpenGL applications. NVIDIA® nView® Multi-display Advanced technology provides the ultimate in viewing flexibility and control for multiple monitors.

NVIDIA® nView® Multi-Display Technology:
Advanced technology provides the ultimate in viewing flexibility and control for multiple monitors.


Mid Range for NVidia would be this... http://www.pcclub.com/product_details.cfm?itemno=A9602820 at $254.99

Performance
NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GT
560 MHz GPU
24 Pixel Pipelines
400 MHz RAMDAC

Memory
512 MB, 256 bit DDR3
1450 MHz (effective)
46.4 GB/s Memory Bandwidth

Interface
PCI-E 16X
DVI-I, DVI-I, HDTV-7
SLI Capable

Resolution & Refresh
240 Hz Max Refresh Rate
2048x1536 x 32bit x85Hz Max Analog
2560x1600 Max Digital

Requirements
Minimum of a 400 Watt power supply.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 20 Amp Amps.)
Minimum 500 Watt for SLI mode system.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 28 Amp Amps.)
An available 6 pin PCI-E power connector (hard drive power dongle to PCI-E 6 pin adapter included with card)

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Theres other options between them, but IF your running 256 MB's, the only thing I would look at would be does the card have shader 3.0 abilities. I also just posted NVIDIA cards, since that's what you have right now.

Stephen

 
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Re: video cards
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2007, 02:58:38 pm »
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Re: video cards
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2007, 03:32:26 pm »
IMHO I would go with the GeForce 7800GS.  Otherwise the ATI 1650 that The Joker recommended would be ok as well.  Since you most likely won't be running Vista with this machine I wouldn't worry about finding something with HD capable.  It really comes down to how much you want to spend on this machine vs how much you want to save for the next one.  Hope this helps.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2007, 03:43:12 pm »
http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_8800.html

Drool...

Not that you should spend 500 USD on it...but hey...

and on top of that

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=IS5EANOFAHZ2RKC4D3FVAGI?skuId=8153883&type=product&id=1161733271379

OF course that's PCI-E so it's a no go for AGP there I would suppose.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2007, 08:02:36 pm »
Gents, if Don is running an Athlon 64 3000+, it won't be a Socket A board; it'll be either a Socket 754 or 939 most likely, as those were the two concurrent socket designs at the time of release of the earlier Athlon 64s (e.g., the 3000+).

If this is so, it'll also most likely have an AGP slot for the video card.  PCI-Express came a little after these aformentioned devices.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2007, 08:17:26 pm »
Everything new comming out is going to be PCI-Express....so if you don't have a PCI-E motherboard, perhaps you should upgrade. You're going to be really limited with AGP.

The Nvidia 6700 series is a good buy. Reasonably priced with good capability.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2007, 10:09:25 pm »
Quote from: Punisher NCC-2000 on February 23, 2007, 08:17:26 pm
Everything new comming out is going to be PCI-Express....so if you don't have a PCI-E motherboard, perhaps you should upgrade. You're going to be really limited with AGP.

The Nvidia 6700 series is a good buy. Reasonably priced with good capability.

Not really they are still making a good selection of video cards for AGP.  I give AGP about another year to 18 months before that happens.  Hardware makers realize that people don't want to give up on their systems just because Vista came out.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2007, 05:01:48 am »
i remember when the best video card was from voodoo, but since late least century the drop quality and someone else take the stand, anyway if i change my video card i want to at lest double its power, but them again since sfc is one of the game that (i think) would need a bether video card when there big mods at the same time, its slow a bit but not long, and i can't put some new game due to the limits of the com, IF they can find a game that is worth upgrading your com for, maybe more ram will also help and for this one a bigger hd and ram, the rest is not needed.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2007, 12:29:48 pm »
LOL....I thought he said Athlon XP 3000+.  Yep...that would likely be socket 939.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2007, 12:42:13 pm »
Quote from: The_Joker on February 24, 2007, 12:29:48 pm
LOL....I thought he said Athlon XP 3000+.  Yep...that would likely be socket 939.

that what i sayd :)
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Re: video cards
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2007, 08:47:21 pm »
Quote from: Javora on February 23, 2007, 10:09:25 pm
Quote from: Punisher NCC-2000 on February 23, 2007, 08:17:26 pm
Everything new comming out is going to be PCI-Express....so if you don't have a PCI-E motherboard, perhaps you should upgrade. You're going to be really limited with AGP.

The Nvidia 6700 series is a good buy. Reasonably priced with good capability.

Not really they are still making a good selection of video cards for AGP.  I give AGP about another year to 18 months before that happens.  Hardware makers realize that people don't want to give up on their systems just because Vista came out.


This really doesn't have anything to do with Vista, but with the performance increase that PCI-E offers (Not to mention the ability to install two or four video cards for a SLI system). All new motherboards that are out there today no longer have support for AGP. All new chipset video cards comming out are going to be PCI-E, and it just doesn't make much sense to produce them in AGP. Sure, you're still going to see some AGP cards out there in the next 5-6 months, but like I said they're going to be older chipsets.

At the local Fry's, there are maybe 2-3 AGP video cards to choose from. The other 20-30 are PCI-Express.
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Re: video cards
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2007, 09:15:35 pm »
Quote from: Punisher NCC-2000 on March 14, 2007, 08:47:21 pm

This really doesn't have anything to do with Vista, but with the performance increase that PCI-E offers (Not to mention the ability to install two or four video cards for a SLI system). All new motherboards that are out there today no longer have support for AGP. All new chipset video cards comming out are going to be PCI-E, and it just doesn't make much sense to produce them in AGP. Sure, you're still going to see some AGP cards out there in the next 5-6 months, but like I said they're going to be older chipsets.

At the local Fry's, there are maybe 2-3 AGP video cards to choose from. The other 20-30 are PCI-Express.

I guess that must depend on where you live, where I'm at in Michigan the PCIe/AGP ratio is about 50/50.  I haven't seen anything that has come out and said that they will stop AGP card production any time soon.  I think that companies realize that there are a lot of AGP systems out there and they will continue to supply that demand.  Now I don't think that these companies will make AGP cards that will surpass the max load of the AGP bus.  No reason to make or buy something that won't show any benefit to its customers.  My best guess is that video card companies will keep an eye on Vista sales or new computer sales (or both) and make the decision based on Vista percentage in the homes or something like that.

Heck I bought a 7600 GS/OC a couple months back for my old AGP system.  Its a nice card, but I wish I would have waited for the 7800 that came out.
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