Topic: New Legacy Patch is out..

[The_Joker]

For those still playing, thought you'd want to know that version 1.2 patch is out.

Star Trek: Legacy
PC 1.2 Patch Release Notes
February 9, 2007
Multiplayer Issues

Improved networking code
Improved connectivity rates
Proper number of players now show up in matches
Cleaned up input.map file to remove extraneous data
Fixed numerous out of sync issues
Fix for OOS when giving repair command from strat map
Removed a sync statement causing false/positive OOS
Sped up entering multiplayer games
Improved Gamespy implementation
Numerous Gamespy menu fixes
Improved Login screen
Improved Available games filter
Removed chat history max
Fixed a stutter in battle cam in multiplayer
Frame rate drop when ships are repairing

[The_Joker]

oh yeah...and the link.....

http://startrek.bethsoft.com/downloads/legacy-1.2patchnotes.html

[Andromeda]

It doesn't help all that much though if you've got the jumpy mouse problem.

[Electric Eye]

Legacy sucks! I have more than enough power and equip to run it and I still get that darned error message.

Thumbs down to Bethesda software.

I apologize, but darn, I paid 40 bucks for that game! 

[Dash Jones]

What are your specs?

A DxDiag would be nice.

No one I've actually talked to in person (face to face) have had problems IF they weren't BS'ing about their computer and at least met the min specs of an x-box 360.  Some of them Did have to turn their game graphics to much lower settings though, since even nice specs won't run the game with lights and whistles.  Those who were BS'ing seem to have Every problem in the book though. 

Don't worry, Bethesda had thesame problem with idiots who tried to run oblivion on lower spec computers, as well as those trying to run it on full graphics when their rig couldn't handle it.  On the otherhand the specs listed as suggested were closer on oblivions packaging than that on oblivions.  If you only meet whats on the box, I'd expect problems.

There IS one other problem I have seen I admit, but it's specifically with Ati cards.  It's that with some of the cards the drivers that were out for them, needed to be updated by Ati.  That's why I hate Ati cards.  Great cards, but even after years of people like me complaining, they still don't know how to make a decent driver for their cards.  Hell, there are games that STILL won't run on their cards that are years old, simply because they didn't make the adjustment because they figured the game wasn't big enough, so there was no reason to update the drivers for it in the next update they made.  It's not all Ati's, and it depends it varies dependant on which drivers one has.  It causes some stuttering in the game itself, and is specific to Ati's from what I've seen.

However, can you state what the error message is that you are getting?  If it gives you a windows code, write down the code so I can see exactly what problem the game is running into.

[Tus-XC]

i'll tell you this much... if my 3 year old p4 3.2 ghz comp w/ a 6800gt can run it at max then just about any computer can. Note that  Legacy does not support all video cards, so check their site and double check that.  This is probably one of the most annoying things out there, the fact that if you don't use the exact vid card recomended it won't work.  I find this just slightly rediculous as HL2 has by far much better graphics, is far more cpu and gpu intensive and yet it could still be run on a variety of cards.  This just confirms to me again how little play testing they did for this game to ensure stability for pc gamers.  It so disappointing too, the game had so much potential but was totally fubared from the beginning.

[Tus-XC]

For the record, the patch does little to fix the game play of the game. The most annoying thing to me is that they didn't even address the mouse problems (ie it being overly sensitve to clicking).  You would figure they would at least address the most important part for at PC person... how we interface with the game (like for example, using the keyboard controls to manuvour and shoot... you can't do both at the same time unless you use the mouse to shoot)

[Dash Jones]

I have to admit, I use the mouse and keyboard in conjunction, but focus more on the keyboard commands.

[Tus-XC]

i don't even use the camera tracking system... it too fickle... i just track the target by hand which works a hell of alot better for me any ways... wish they had give me full mous control like i don't know... actually being able to use the mouse curser to select a target

[Dash Jones]

I've been lucky in that I haven't had that problem.  I use the mouse all the time to select targets.  As far as gameplay, after tweaking it works as good as the X-box version for me luckily.

[Electric Eye]

Here are my specs, and thanks!

AMD Athlon 64 3500 plus

1 gig RAM

ATI Radeon Express 200

Windows XP

Need anything else?

Again, thanks, I really want to play the game, even if it is solo.

[Dash Jones]

Here are my specs, and thanks!

AMD Athlon 64 3500 plus

1 gig RAM

ATI Radeon Express 200

Windows XP

Need anything else?

Again, thanks, I really want to play the game, even if it is solo

Hmm, from the way you were speaking I was thinking you had a rig that would at least match a 360.

A dxdiag would be nice too...BUT even without that I can probably tell you the problems already.

First, your card is just not going to cut it (if it were a newer Ati card, you still could have some problems, Ati drivers are terrible, and I seem to have more problems with them running games than Nvidia...better cards overall for what you pay...but due to how terrible their driver makers are...they stink on new releases half the time...but I digress...simpler to just say..even with a newer ati you'd have to make sure you had updated drivers and cross your fingers).

If you are using that video card, I'd also probably assume you also have integrated soundcard?

Using a Laptop?  They seem to use that particular card, probably around 1 or 2 years old.  I don't know if someone had the exact right combination of components with that card if they could or not...but it doesn't seem to meet the regulations to run the game overall.

I don't know what else could be causing the problems with the basic stuff you listed, but point blank, right off the bat, it's your card.  I'd upgrade that if you want to play Legacy on the PC...OR a cheaper alternative, or at least cost comparable and easier to accomplish would be to buy and Xbox360 and play it on that.

Sorry for the bad news.

[Electric Eye]

Yup Dash, you hit it right on the money. It's an integrated video card. 

I will NEVER buy another P/C from Fry's again unless it is a Sony Vaio and a salesperson cannot B.S. me about it. I was going to go with the VAIO line again, but they have custom made P/Cs and I bought one of their's w/o doing my homework on AMD chips and their corresponding speeds are vs Intel.

So, that being said, is it possible that I can buy a super duper vid card and install it in one of the expansion slots and it will automatically shut out the ATI?

It's funny, but when I looked up the specs on it from the Legacy forum it was supposed to handle the game.

P/Cs are so inexpensive now, I might just get a new m/board while I'm at it, or maybe even a new system, then wifey can use this one for her school and job stuff.

I'll have to shell out some more big bucks on a desk and chair cause she is NOT getting my onyx desk and leather captain's chair to use with her P/C, hehehehehe...   

Thanks for letting me know what the problem probably is.

No laptop here, I cannot stand em, especially when people drive and try to use the darn things while driving (Yes, I've seen it a couple of times believe it or not.

[Dash Jones]

Yup Dash, you hit it right on the money. It's an integrated video card. 

I will NEVER buy another P/C from Fry's again unless it is a Sony Vaio and a salesperson cannot B.S. me about it. I was going to go with the VAIO line again, but they have custom made P/Cs and I bought one of their's w/o doing my homework on AMD chips and their corresponding speeds are vs Intel.

So, that being said, is it possible that I can buy a super duper vid card and install it in one of the expansion slots and it will automatically shut out the ATI?

It's funny, but when I looked up the specs on it from the Legacy forum it was supposed to handle the game.

P/Cs are so inexpensive now, I might just get a new m/board while I'm at it, or maybe even a new system, then wifey can use this one for her school and job stuff.

I'll have to shell out some more big bucks on a desk and chair cause she is NOT getting my onyx desk and leather captain's chair to use with her P/C, hehehehehe...   

Thanks for letting me know what the problem probably is.

No laptop here, I cannot stand em, especially when people drive and try to use the darn things while driving (Yes, I've seen it a couple of times believe it or not.

What brand do you have, or what motherboard?

It might be possible.  It might also be difficult.

If you do change it, YOU WILL probably do BIOS changing.  If you haven't done changes to a BIOS before, just be aware you have to be careful so you don't screw up your entire computer and stop it from working properly.  That said, it's fairly simple.  What you probably would have to do is first put in the new card, then go to the BIOS and disable the integrated card so it doesn't interfere with the new one you put in.

To tell the truth though, and truthfully speaking...I think it really would be cheaper and easier for you to get an Xbox360.  Seriously.  And you wouldn't have to worry about problems with Legacy running...and have other fun games available.

PS:  One of the problems with the Legacy game is that who ever put out the specs, and then put the game installing at max resolution and graphic and AA was an idiot.  The specs to run it smoothly and well are far beyond what they list for some stupid reason I haven't figured out yet.  I'd fire whoever was the person a designed the inst...anyways, I'm not in charge of their company, but a few stupid decisions on their part screwed over a whole lot of people.  IMO.

[Electric Eye]

Remember, there is nothing wrong with calling idiots exactly what they are, idiots! 

I know to go to control panel and look for some things, but how can I know which m/board I have from the P/C? Otherwise I'm gonna have to find the booklet, and that will be a chore in itself, hehehehehehe...

[Sirgod]

Jumping in here.

Hey EE, just do a search for Belarc advisor, DL, install, and enjoy. IT's non-invasive, and will tell you more about your PC then you'll ever need to know. I highly recomend it, and Yes IT will tell what your MB is right up top right.

Stephen

[Just plain old Punisher]

I still curse this game! Bah! I curse it's impossible camera control and it's impossible interface!

::spits on ground::

I CURSE YOU LEGACY!!

[Electric Eye]

I still curse this game! Bah! I curse it's impossible camera control and it's impossible interface!

::spits on ground::

I CURSE YOU LEGACY!!

I have not been impressed with what I saw on you tube (Yes, people have filmed their battles and put them up for display).

IMHO, ANY P/C gaming company could have done wonders with new graphics and options on SFC and EAW and OP and still came out way ahead profit margin wise. 

I played that game for well over 4 years, and that itself is proof positive I'm a nutcase! Best game ever released, even more than Pirates redoux or SH3. Not to mention the friendships forged. Yup, people would say we are nutcases for talking even years later after the release of a game.

Thanks for the tip Stephen. You bought any new cattle yet? Go Black Angus, kinda hard to beat those beef prices at the local HEB. They are skyhigh!

[Electric Eye]

Operating System   System Model
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (build 2600)   Enclosure Type: Desktop
Processor a   Main Circuit Board b
2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64
128 kilobyte primary memory cache
512 kilobyte secondary memory cache   Board: RS480-M
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz
BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG 03/28/2005
Drives   Memory Modules c,d
176.76 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
151.91 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

DVD-16X DVD-ROM BDV316E [CD-ROM drive]
DVDRW IDE 16X [CD-ROM drive]

Generic USB CF Reader USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 2
Generic USB MS Reader USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 4
Generic USB SD Reader USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 1
Generic USB SM Reader USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 3
WDC WD20 00JD-22HBB0 SCSI Disk Device (196.40 GB) -- drive 0   992 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'A0' has 512 MB
Slot 'A1' has 512 MB
  Local Drive Volumes
     
c: (NTFS on drive 0) 176.76 GB 151.91 GB free
 
  Network Drives
  None detected
Users (mouse over user name for details)   Printers


Controllers   Display
Standard floppy disk controller
ATI IDE Controller
Primary IDE Channel [Controller]
Secondary IDE Channel [Controller]   ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 [Display adapter]
Sony SDM-HS95P [Monitor] (19.1"vis, s/n 6319231, February 2005)
Bus Adapters   Multimedia
ATI 4379 Serial ATA Controller
ATI 437A Serial ATA Controller
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller (2x)   Conexant BTAudio
Conexant Capture
Conexant Crossbar
Conexant TVTuner
Logitech Mic (Communicate STX)
Realtek AC'97 Audio
Communications   Other Devices
Agere Win Modem

   
1394 Net Adapter
Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
 primary   Auto IP Address:  192.168.1.66 / 24
 Gateway:  192.168.1.254
 Dhcp Server:  192.168.1.254
 Physical Address:  00:11:5B:DD:C1:DB
 
Networking Dns Server:  192.168.1.254
   Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX #3
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
PS/2 Compatible Mouse
Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX
USB Mass Storage Device
USB Printing Support
USB Roo


Now if that ain't a bunch of P/C mumbo-jumbo, I do not know what is! 

Good find Stephen.

[Sirgod]

Hey , any time Bro. I've been using it for years, and If I have to do PC repair on someone elses system, that's one of the first things I put on there system.

Stephen

[Electric Eye]

The reason I bought that Fry's system is cause it had whistles and bells and way cool neon blue lights like your case has. 

I think after taxes it will be time to take it back and get a new m/b installed. None of this integrated crap please. Live and learn. I did however, have some fantastic times on SH3 though, and I do believe our SH3 thread had the most hits for a game, IIRC.

[Sirgod]

The reason I bought that Fry's system is cause it had whistles and bells and way cool neon blue lights like your case has. 

I think after taxes it will be time to take it back and get a new m/b installed. None of this integrated crap please. Live and learn. I did however, have some fantastic times on SH3 though, and I do believe our SH3 thread had the most hits for a game, IIRC.

I think you might be right there. I saw a cool case mod the other day, someone had made his PC look like the warp core on the NX-01. Of course, not enough Blue lights for me, but it was still pretty Boss.

One of these days, I'm gonna really get into case modding, and have more neon lights, then Power. Right now, I'm heavy into fans. My PC sounds like a small aircraft when I turn them all on.

Stephen

[Electric Eye]

Mine too.  I still love the way it lights up the living room. 

[Dash Jones]

A quick look at your board, if it's the one that I'm looking at correctly, should have slots for a Video card if you desire to put one in it.

For the time you bought the computer it probably was a nice computer able to handle most things out there actually (a year or so ago).  It's just been surpassed.

You might also want to invest in an upgrade of sound as well if you are upgrading.

I still think it would be easier to just buy an xbox360 IMO.

[Electric Eye]

Yup, I can remember when systems stayed current for 2 or 3 years and it was the software that took time to surpass a system's minimum requirements. Not any more, hehehehehe. Of course, that means systems just a tad behind the newest ones are discounted quite a bit on the sales floor. 

[Dash Jones]

Well, for a while game makers were being sensible and wanted to make money, so they catered to the average system.

Now, game makers are catering to systems much higher.  Supreme Commander for example pushes the limits on systems that aren't even made yet in some instances. I can get it to work on some systems older than a year or two, but it highly depends on the specs.  (The game delivers everything they said it would by the way, but the middle to end game is a bit overwhelming with all that you have to pay attention to).

On the otherhand your system should be pretty good for some of the hotter games coming out.  For example I'm certain it runs WoW and it's expansion the Burning Crusade excessively well.  It probably will also run the new Command and Conquer game that's going to be coming out soon (Command and Conquer 3 the Tiberium Wars), and run it better than most computers out there.

It's a good computer, just some gamemakers create their games depending on the specs of a console such as the Xbox 360 without a care of how it might run on a computer, and thence don't really consider that to actually sell games they should cater to a majority who DON'T have the most up to date and current rig.

That's why Blizzard repeatedly sells so well, they create great games.......

That actually can run on a majority of people's computers.

[Toast]

EE a bud of mine has a pc with the same pross,ram and onboard vid played alot of games fine but ran into probs with doom3 and cod2 if u happen to have a pci-e slot for a graphics card i recommend the ati radeon x1300pro/or1600 if yeh want a 512 card solved my buds problems I have the 1300pro myself love the card.

[Electric Eye]

Thanks Toast!