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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2007, 02:20:20 am »
How about hiring Pirates for hits?  And I always suggest this, but how about attacking friendlies?

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2007, 12:41:44 pm »
Hey all...Talked to Duck the other day and he mentioned a server might be coming along.... I'm Hoping....something I might be able to fly Klink in....lotsa PvP friendly rules ;)

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2007, 08:22:37 pm »
 ;D Time to flaunt my ignorance....

Let's make this a completely TMP era mod using SFB style rules.

Let's add Klingon Academy Tholians and Sha' Kurians

Let's add ALL of WZ45's Andromedans

Lets throw in a bunch of TMP fanon, Klingon Academy and FASA ships to the mix this time...

Qapla!

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2007, 04:16:15 pm »
UMMM Dizzy

Its
Canada and the World
         vs
USA and Quebec

Sounds better to me.

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2007, 04:31:18 pm »
IMOHPO...
Not a big fan of the idea of USA vs... idea
Biggest sticking point, to me, is that half the still active members of KBF are not in the US.
IMOHPO, I would prefer Race alliances, the mixture of which isn't really important, as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2007, 04:49:29 pm »
IMOHPO...
Not a big fan of the idea of USA vs... idea
Biggest sticking point, to me, is that half the still active members of KBF are not in the US.
IMOHPO, I would prefer Race alliances, the mixture of which isn't really important, as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2007, 07:28:31 pm »
hmm, MUTT, that is Vive, not Viva, sorry.

I would love to see an 8 race  4 powers war, with 4 minor races having say a total of  10 ships each assigned to the other 4 races, if you get my meaning.
example:  4 major races :  Feds, Gorn, vs Roms, Klink
10 Mirak sent to Feds
10 Hydran sent to Gorns
10 ISC sent to Klinks
10 Lyrans sent to Roms

or some such.

It can be a different mix of which race goes where, and maybe use demographics of player pool to determine the fleets with least pilots, and have those races be the 10 ship donors.
Once those ships die, they do not get replaced.

Only bad part is who chooses what 10 ships.

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2007, 08:32:59 pm »
Je parle francais assez bien pour me tirer d'affaire, mais pour ma part je ne sais pas l'orthogographe.  ;D

Voici ce dont il s'agit...Mon Canada inclure Quebec 

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2007, 08:55:05 pm »
You havent been told?!

Canada, the United States and well...Mexico  they are trying to compete with the EU and want to Merge into one nation.  They want to have the merger complete by 2025.   :D
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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2007, 07:26:39 pm »
hmm, MUTT, that is Vive, not Viva, sorry.

I would love to see an 8 race  4 powers war, with 4 minor races having say a total of  10 ships each assigned to the other 4 races, if you get my meaning.
example:  4 major races :  Feds, Gorn, vs Roms, Klink
10 Mirak sent to Feds
10 Hydran sent to Gorns
10 ISC sent to Klinks
10 Lyrans sent to Roms

or some such.

It can be a different mix of which race goes where, and maybe use demographics of player pool to determine the fleets with least pilots, and have those races be the 10 ship donors.
Once those ships die, they do not get replaced.

Only bad part is who chooses what 10 ships.

It may be possible to achieve that somewhat by using extremely long supply lines and requiring no new ones be made for that race(s) that is operating far from home... In fact if that were the case, even if there was a close LoS to a base or planet for that race, it'd be required no new ones be built or capped anyway.

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2007, 09:35:47 am »
;D Time to flaunt my ignorance....

Let's make this a completely TMP era mod using SFB style rules.

Let's add Klingon Academy Tholians and Sha' Kurians

Let's add ALL of WZ45's Andromedans

Lets throw in a bunch of TMP fanon, Klingon Academy and FASA ships to the mix this time...

Qapla!

KF

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2007, 09:55:45 am »
;D Time to flaunt my ignorance....

Let's make this a completely TMP era mod using SFB style rules.

Let's add Klingon Academy Tholians and Sha' Kurians

Let's add ALL of WZ45's Andromedans

Lets throw in a bunch of TMP fanon, Klingon Academy and FASA ships to the mix this time...

Qapla!

KF

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LOL.. and let's give it a projected start date of 2010 as we'd spend at least that long arguing about the stats....  :P
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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2007, 10:33:03 am »
;D Time to flaunt my ignorance....

Let's make this a completely TMP era mod using SFB style rules.

Let's add Klingon Academy Tholians and Sha' Kurians

Let's add ALL of WZ45's Andromedans

Lets throw in a bunch of TMP fanon, Klingon Academy and FASA ships to the mix this time...

Qapla!

KF

YEA BABY !! That would be a cool server, time to get my 'Emperor' out of the yard.
LOL.. and let's give it a projected start date of 2010 as we'd spend at least that long arguing about the stats....  :P

At least it'll give us something to do.
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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2007, 08:41:44 pm »
;D Time to flaunt my ignorance....

Let's make this a completely TMP era mod using SFB style rules.

Let's add Klingon Academy Tholians and Sha' Kurians

Let's add ALL of WZ45's Andromedans

Lets throw in a bunch of TMP fanon, Klingon Academy and FASA ships to the mix this time...

Qapla!

KF

YEA BABY !! That would be a cool server, time to get my 'Emperor' out of the yard.
LOL.. and let's give it a projected start date of 2010 as we'd spend at least that long arguing about the stats....  :P

At least it'll give us something to do.
 ;D

Recruiting NEW Players:

IMHO, one of the main reasons I have never participated in an online campaign the TOS orientation of online SFC games. To be fair TNG games aren't my cup of tea either; that's overkill in an entirely different magnitude. The TMP era really seems to get left out and that was the era that made the most sense to me. I'd love to play in a TMP era only campaign someday.

Ideas regarding FASA ships converted to SFC:

Personally, I say through out most of the 1980s FASA Trek specs and start fresh by using actual SFC made modelsl to determine hardpoints/weapons. Kreeargh, Terradyhne, Atrahasis, P81, at. al, have done excellent jobs upgrading the original FASA ships they have brought into the game.

Second, I recommend that FASA TMP era ships of the same race/classes have STANDARDIZED warp/impulse and weapons systems. Yes, there are exceptions but the majority of the ships in each FASA race/classes should follow this rule in compliance with SFB traditions (E. g., FBB engines are BIGGER than a FCA's). This would be logistically sound make repairs/refits more economically feasible to each of the stellar powers.

Third, SFC is based on SFB so the ship definitions need to be UNIFORM. The FASA term for frigate is NOT the same as in SFB. I would argue that FASA Trek frigates are cruisers and light cruisers respectfully. The FASA Federation Chandley Class is not an SFB sized frigate and in FASA Trek game stats uses the same weapons/shield and engine specs as the Enterprise/Constiution Refit Class and is IMHO better designed to fight. Specifically; Knock down an emeny shield and beam in the marines to capture the bad guy ship...

What's to argue about? One way to handle the FASA/KA and Fandom ships is do something similar to what was done for the mechs in Mechcommander; offer three versions:

1) a base model balanced weapons/shields IAW with SFB racial specs and an actual SFC model
2) a version with more armor/shields and fewer heavy weapons   
3) a specialty version that does something completely different from the norm

Example:

FASA Klingon D-10. I prefer Atrahasis' D-10B model myself. I use it as a heavy cruiser/battlecruiser and I personally ignore its FASA Four years  War history and most of the FASA lore. Why? Because TOS already had the Klinks answer to the Connie; the D-7 and the K'tinga later challenged the Connie/Enterprise refit. I like to believe the D-10 was the TMP era  Klingon Empire's answer to the Federation Excelsior class...

Version 1: Use Atrahasis' model and SFB Klingon stats to make a TMP base version; heavy on the Imperial marines plus torpedoes
Version 2: Spec the D-10B as a strike carrier; fewer weapons but two fighter squadrons and perhaps a cloaking device
Version 3: Maybe add a mauler version or one equipped with Rihiannsu plasma and a cloaking device

I would think that the SFB stat gurus can manage this.

Recommended ships with emphasis on NON-CANON ships. Note this is not all incusive many FASA/FANON/OTHER are junk ships IMHO. The majority of these listed ships are up at Battleclinic:

Klingon Academy: All KA ships not already making an appearance in the STOCK SFC OP+ ship list. Sha' Kurians are CV/fighter using mercenaries and can fill out the pirate slots. The KA Tholians perhaps could be X-era ships. I like the Gorn fleet depiced in KA.

FASA: Remora as FFF 100m version Chandley, Northampton, Loknar Refit (USS Phobos), D-10, D-16, D-18, Unseen Creeper as KFF, White Wind, Winged Defender, Aviary Starbase (well armed version), Pearl Mobile Repair dock to start with.

FANDOM/OTHER: USS Churchill (Gotafarmyet?'s version), Jackhill's Abbe Class (CV and PHT versions), Melak (WZ45's TMP version), WZ45's/Azel's TMP RBOP, Akyazi (Akula Subclass), K' teremeny, USS Illustrious, as well as ALL of WZ45's Andromedans.

Just starting the conversation...

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2007, 01:55:20 am »
Nice read KF. FASA stuff sucked me into the ST realm like a black hole never to get out again... I wasted so much of my time on fiddling with crap relating to the ship creator manual and other FASA stuff, but it was all so cool!

SG7 will feature mainly TMP era with a brief splash of the super fun TOS for the 1st few days. But it won't deal too far into TNG stuff, if at all. We will use the 1st gen X tech for the last few days of the server I'm sure... we've had great feedback on just how fun and balanced DH's designs are.

Anyway... I used the D10 model on a previous server as the default C7 model... back when I was a little crazy... to mixed reviews. I have used the Andor fed torp boat too... but no port variation of it has ever been really popular. I keep trying to sneak in tweaked FASA ships now and then when I can... BCE, D7T and NCM... but my efforts seldom get called anything but 'coffins'... heh

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2007, 07:16:25 am »
I seem to remember a certain Mirak player that got smoked by the RA photons on a NCM...

@KF- not sure what you're looking for, may have misundersttod your original point- if you're looking at introducing new ships into the game, then you're going to have to decide everything from hull to shield strength to turn mode to weapons and arcs for every ship,
then this has to actually be balanced for PVP fights- not just because it looks cool, and has to be balanced against the ships currently in the game, both ones that exist in FASA and those that don't.
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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2007, 09:20:02 am »
I seem to remember a certain Mirak player that got smoked by the RA photons on a NCM...

@KF- not sure what you're looking for, may have misundersttod your original point- if you're looking at introducing new ships into the game, then you're going to have to decide everything from hull to shield strength to turn mode to weapons and arcs for every ship,
then this has to actually be balanced for PVP fights- not just because it looks cool, and has to be balanced against the ships currently in the game, both ones that exist in FASA and those that don't.

SFB has some great rules for creating starships and should be applied to the models built for other games. What they do is assign a point value and space requirements for each component/system on a ship and when finished you have a BPV that should determine what class the ship goes into.

I can live without the FASA and fandom additions but I'd sure like to fly a KA ship PvP in SFC> like the rommie Senator class or Klink warriors anger VS a Feddie BCH.

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2007, 04:33:20 pm »
i DONT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PROTOTYPE SHIPS... oops caps. I think that with assignment of ships, which I'd be happy to do, at my leasure, we could have a cpl per side. So submit your design proposals and I'll take a look, run them by DH and see what he thinks and decide if it's all worth it. As of now we havent set a start date so no one's under the gun to get anything done so we have time to consider this and depending on the ship proposals we might have a few that look good. I just love some FASA designs and while there are models for them, we just need to work out their stats and see if having one or so per side of a few of them wouldnt unbalance things.

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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2007, 05:09:56 pm »
I liked the FASA ships and would like to see a server with them.  I have a shelf in the basement loaded with painstakenly painted models.  I always thought FASA ships looked better.  The Remora, Chandley, Andor, Baker to name a few.  All nice, believable looking TMP ships.
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Re: Now taking ideas for SG7
« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2007, 02:26:55 pm »
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