Topic: Legacy mulitplayer limited to 4, confirmed! (Read 10826 times)

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **on:** November 26, 2006, 08:57:09 am »

Someone at legacy forums had a link to the box art that clearly shows a limit in the PC game of 4 players in multi. Well CUGS and WGL can wave good-bye to hopes of SL glory days.

http://www.gameswarehouse.com.au/back.asp?g=13693&title=Star+Trek%3A+Legacy

Lepton · « **Reply #1 on:** November 26, 2006, 12:57:45 pm »

ChessMess confirmed that on the LegacyMods forum a few days ago. Perhaps they will patch it in the future. You know, I hate to say it but I think Legacy is a bit amateurish. Look at the front man, Gary Conti. He's an associate producer and looks like he just got pubes the other day. I think this game was rushed, is incomplete, and frankly was managed with people without as much experience as is required to produce such an important game title with such a vaunted franchise. The only excuse I can manufacture for these guys is that it seems that the way models were rendered changed in the middle of their development, nearly as I can tell. That could really have delayed things, but so far I am really not pleased.

Toast · « **Reply #2 on:** November 26, 2006, 01:21:10 pm »

Quote from: Lepton on November 26, 2006, 12:57:45 pm

You know, I hate to say it but I think Legacy is a bit amateurish. Look at the front man, Gary Conti. He's an associate producer and looks like he just got pubes the other day.

Lmao now thats hard core,( 4 FOR MULTIPLAYER) Looks like once again the fan base has been ignored.

FCM_SFHQ_XC · « **Reply #3 on:** November 26, 2006, 04:04:52 pm »

Great.. :roll: It looks like they have completly ignored the success of Bridge Commander's 32 player limit, and the popular demand for high capacity MP games...
Wont they ever learn? *sigh*

Lepton · « **Reply #4 on:** November 26, 2006, 04:30:52 pm »

Wishing I had BC right now. Heck that's nearly as many folks as we get on the Dyna at once.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #5 on:** November 26, 2006, 04:48:19 pm »

I was thinking maybe I should pick up freelancer on ebay. I think BC is there too, but it costs 30 to 40 dollars. Wow, $60 for BC and $100 plus for sfc3!

FRA.E.Kehakoul_XC · « **Reply #6 on:** November 26, 2006, 04:54:50 pm »

Its just sad, i think i will sell my computer...

Edit, just cheked that picture ,did anyone notice that they use STARFORCE as copyprotection with a explicit warning that it will destroy your dvdRW drive...

What a bunch of jerks.

Lepton · « **Reply #7 on:** November 26, 2006, 05:00:21 pm »

Starforce!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Argh!!!

DIFJosh · « **Reply #8 on:** November 26, 2006, 05:18:46 pm »

Rumor has it that it might be fixed/adding up to 8 players later but like everyone else im feelin alittle bit disappointed about multi- play level. As for CUGS we take it instride we do alot more than SFC , We all about Gaming here ! Right now on Blade Servers, We are Hosting (2) Enemy Territory, Counter Strike 1.6 and CS Source with the flip of a switch we can turn on for members access to BF2, BF2142, Halo amongst others. CUGS Dev team is currently constructing a NWN2 server for future Community use and as always our OP Universe of War Dyna Server is up and humming (Thanks Bonk and Dynaverse.net !!!).

The Guys from Community still hanging on Community Team Speak (IP: 82.165.187.185:8767) playing some of the more popular free game such as Silk Road, FLY for Fun, Enemy Territory and CS 1.6 and alas some of your older friends are hooked on crack called " EvE"

Inclosing CUGS Tourneys for ST LEGACY will be LOL 2v2 and 1v1 but the first of these shall be KoTH and Prize GiveAways

Remember you heard it here first from your SFC Community Angel
DIFJosh

Lepton · « **Reply #9 on:** November 26, 2006, 05:26:40 pm »

Can you CUGS guys ever participate in a discussion without plugging your product as it were? Please leave that for your own self-promotional threads that everyone can feel free to ignore if they like, or simply stop spamming.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #10 on:** November 26, 2006, 05:39:00 pm »

Quote from: Lepton on November 26, 2006, 05:26:40 pm

Can you CUGS guys ever participate in a discussion without plugging your product as it were? Please leave that for your own self-promotional threads that everyone can feel free to ignore if they like, or simply stop spamming.

"Rumor has it that it might be fixed/adding up to 8 players later but like everyone else im feelin alittle bit disappointed about multi- play level."

It was fine for the first sentence.

DIFJosh · « **Reply #11 on:** November 26, 2006, 07:06:39 pm »

Gee aaah dang Lep .... I thought I was part of this Community too ? hmmm... maybe if you stop for a sec and read up a post or 2 ? Ewe might see I was answering a post, there that referred to CUGS and CUGS Gaming Community and how ST Legacy multi-game play would effect the CUGS community. Ya know comments and slants can hurt if we let them but eye say baaa to that !

So again remember you heard it here first from your SFC Community Angel
DIFJosh

FRA.E.Kehakoul_XC · « **Reply #12 on:** November 26, 2006, 07:32:30 pm »

Josh,,.. do you think the people here are stupid and dont get what you are continously trying to do?
SHall i explain it to you, thats probabley not neccesary right?

You might be part of the community, but you are trying to fish people off this site.
I tell you something, if you dont stop to behave like a snake i will ban your ass permanently, got it?

Opps now i said what i tryed to avoid , what a pity.

DIFJosh · « **Reply #13 on:** November 26, 2006, 08:39:56 pm »

Gee iI've never tried to snake anyone from Dynaverse and thought we had a good relationship and if you read thread starter .... We (CUGS) are mentioned and I was just answering how the multi-play aspect would effect CUGS . So please dont think sew small of me or negative of CUGS cause up to this time ..... I again state We have a relationship of mutual respect and admiration if im wrong tell me or ban me if you like . I dont reaLLY SPAM GUYS ! Eye jus inform the community of what we (CUGS Community )are up too !

Remember you heard it first from your SFC Community Angel

DIFJosh

ps: love da warning but wtf did i get it for ? hmmmm..... lol

Think about it a bit maybe you get it at some point.

FRA.E.Kehakoul_XC · « **Reply #14 on:** November 26, 2006, 09:13:18 pm »

Yea thats the difficulty if you got a blurred vision about your own motives.
I suggest you try to honestly reevaluate your own driving forces.

Kougar_XC · « **Reply #15 on:** November 27, 2006, 04:41:09 am »

Quote from: FRA.E.Kehakoul_XC on November 26, 2006, 04:54:50 pm

Its just sad, i think i will sell my computer...

Edit, just cheked that picture ,did anyone notice that they use STARFORCE as copyprotection with a explicit warning that it will destroy your dvdRW drive...

What a bunch of jerks.

I would not be so hasty. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060414-6603.html

So far there's a thread in their forums running amok with this rumor, hopefully someone can put it to rest either way.

FRA.E.Kehakoul_XC · « **Reply #16 on:** November 27, 2006, 09:11:16 am »

You are right Kougar, that is indeed interisting.
Maybe its a good idea to wait for the first damage reports if there are any.
In my opinion thse Starforce guys are just a bunch of Blackhat hackers,dubious at best.

Skaren · « **Reply #17 on:** November 27, 2006, 11:03:02 am »

Bonk talked to me about something very similar,...

I advertise for my personal campaigns here also. I asked Bonk if that was ok, he said absolutely. As long as my games were free and I was not charging.

Am I fishing away folks ? No according to Bonk I am continuing with the effort to keep this game alive and contributing to the community. Much as Cugs does.

If Josh were advertising about his hosting (Pay) services here I could see your hostile attitudes.

In reality he and his team do far more for this community the most folks who read these threads ever come even close to doing.

There seems to be enough anger toward people in this world that attacking other SFC folks is unneeded. Maybe your hostility comes from something that occurred long ago that I am unaware of?

I find Josh's involvement and occasional plugs hardly offensive, I personally enjoy hearing what is going in the community which is larger than these forms and some of the small minded folks on them.

To further understand Bonks view on this read this thread.

I suspect Bonk would not approve of such hostility, especially when the original topic involved Cugs

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163369328.0.html

Josh has always been friendly, helpfull, and a generally decent person in my interactions with him. I certainly have never seen him lash out and attack other folks like I am seeing here.

Skaren · « **Reply #18 on:** November 27, 2006, 11:05:53 am »

I guess cause he advertised for games other than SFC that is bannable ?

Just seems a shame that is all.

762_XC · « **Reply #19 on:** November 27, 2006, 12:14:36 pm »

For the record, Josh was banned for admin abuse.

Skaren · « **Reply #20 on:** November 27, 2006, 12:41:35 pm »

762 ,..

I am guessing there were other exhanges besides the public ones ?

Certainly nothing in those exchanges seems abussive

Other than our community here, giving him a hard time.

Ya know he actually advertises about Dynaverse servers that are run here on this Dynaverse.net site. He directs folks over to here right on his main page. I have seen it with my own eyes.

It is to bad that it has to be that community over there, ....and this one here.

Factioning,.. They are not like me therefor I must dislike them.

Like I say maybe something happened long ago I am unaware of,..

Just the reaction and banning him,.... for what I am reading seems way off from what this site is about,.. or maybe should be about.

He is no more fishing away people from this site than I am Dfly who plays in my campaigns, and others from here.

Just seems really wierd that is all,.. like twilight zone type of wierd.

I will let it be and say no more about.

Toast · « **Reply #21 on:** November 27, 2006, 02:34:44 pm »

Question is that starforce just something to keep folks from burning copies of the game or is it something to keep folks from getting into the files and removing content for use elswere sorry if this is a dumb question. Also isnt that Chessmess guy working for them wouldnt he have some insight into the game? he would be familiar with the community and what folks would want I have no clue what his role is there or where he is on the totem pole but you would think he could make a face $:-\$ and say I dont think they will go for that guys......lol ps. unban Josh I know the community Angel crap make's u want to step on his face

but it's not his fault about the new game and like D.net he and his crew at Cuggs are trying may be pointless but still.

Sirgod · « **Reply #22 on:** November 27, 2006, 04:25:00 pm »

Starforce, IMHO. Is just bad programming. IF you use say Daemon tools. or if you copy your DVD's to your Hard Drive using third party software, starforce will not allow you to install whatever software is associated with it. Even if you do get it installed, IT has a frequency to really miss up your CD/DVD roms.

They market it as copy protection, but what happens, IS that you can't use other legitimate third party programs, as they of course don't want you to make copies of there games. (which we all know Piracy is a nono), nut they do so by breaking systems, Forcing what is allowed, and not allowed on your own pc (Privacy issue here), and of course, just being a royal pain in the ass.

I bought Space Rangers 2 for example, when it first came out, First experience I ever had with starforce, and it will be the last. I would love to play LEgacy, but If it has Starforce on it, then I'll have to pass.

Stephen

Kougar_XC · « **Reply #23 on:** November 28, 2006, 12:41:01 am »

Quote from: FRA.E.Kehakoul_XC on November 27, 2006, 09:11:16 am

You are right Kougar, that is indeed interisting.
Maybe its a good idea to wait for the first damage reports if there are any.
In my opinion thse Starforce guys are just a bunch of Blackhat hackers,dubious at best.

I don't disagree... their methods pretty much amount to blatent blackmail.

As I had pointed out to me elsewhere though... almost any game you buy has this kind of warning label on the back of the box now. I just checked my Company of Heroes box, and it even has the label.

OlBuzzard · « **Reply #24 on:** November 28, 2006, 12:26:59 pm »

Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on November 27, 2006, 04:25:00 pm

Starforce, IMHO. Is just bad programming. IF you use say Daemon tools. or if you copy your DVD's to your Hard Drive using third party software, starforce will not allow you to install whatever software is associated with it. Even if you do get it installed, IT has a frequency to really miss up your CD/DVD roms.

They market it as copy protection, but what happens, IS that you can't use other legitimate third party programs, as they of course don't want you to make copies of there games. (which we all know Piracy is a nono), nut they do so by breaking systems, Forcing what is allowed, and not allowed on your own pc (Privacy issue here), and of course, just being a royal pain in the ass.

I bought Space Rangers 2 for example, when it first came out, First experience I ever had with starforce, and it will be the last. I would love to play LEgacy, but If it has Starforce on it, then I'll have to pass.

Stephen

Starforce?

OUCH !

I just got through reading about it! Can anyone confirm the useage of Starforce in this game. Sounds like it would be more trouble than it's worth.

I would have to agree with ya bubba if this is correct!

Also ... if some one can confirm this ..... I know of at least two more groups of players that would be interested in seeing a link to read about it!

Thanks

FCM_SFHQ_XC · « **Reply #25 on:** November 28, 2006, 02:17:31 pm »

Well so long as you make no more then 1 or 2 installs of it and dont try to then create a backup CD/DVD for Legacy then it should be fine, Starforce or not. I'd just wish all these companies wouldnt be so extreme with their anti-piracy techniques. It just seems wrong that they would use stuff that messes up your DVD burner.. some companies are just too desperate with Anti-piracy, which it why it will be a good idea to be very careful with installing it and limit the number of reinstalls you ever have to do with Legacy. So long as you dont try to make a backup disk then you should be fine either way.

FRA.E.Kehakoul_XC · « **Reply #26 on:** November 28, 2006, 02:53:59 pm »

I am using Silent Hunter 3, and that programm sports this protection.
I dont have dvd burner so it never did anything to my system, i think,but i dont allow anything to hack the kernel, or if its a must i want a way to neutralize it, so i dug into the topic a while ago and found a nice tool for removing them.. you can download them one the page below.
That page further explains everything relevant arroud those drivers.

http://www.onlinesecurity-on.com/protect.phtml?c=55
I hope thats interisting for you guys.

FCM_SFHQ_XC · « **Reply #27 on:** November 28, 2006, 09:41:51 pm »

hhuumm.. interesting.. I'll keep this stored away in my other HDD incase I ever need it

[ISC]Phaser · « **Reply #28 on:** November 30, 2006, 06:27:04 am »

Quote from: Capt_SFHQ_XC on November 28, 2006, 09:41:51 pm

hhuumm.. interesting.. I'll keep this stored away in my other HDD incase I ever need it

http://www.glop.org/starforce/remove.php

Wraith 413 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 30, 2006, 07:52:07 am »

Please un-ban Josh. Thanks.

Wraith 413

Dfly · « **Reply #30 on:** November 30, 2006, 02:42:55 pm »

As much as anyone may or may not like Josh, I feel he was unfairly banned.
He replied to a post which mentioned Cugs etc,,, and had every right to, and even though he did advertise, it is a free community that he advertised of.
Banning him IMO was a mistake that should be rectified.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #31 on:** November 30, 2006, 03:52:45 pm »

Quote from: 762_XC on November 27, 2006, 12:14:36 pm

For the record, Josh was banned for admin abuse.

You guys asking for the ban to be dropped think it was for promoting CUGS? Re-read 762's post above.

Wraith 413 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 30, 2006, 06:36:13 pm »

From what was said/replied in this thread, and that is the only evidence in the open, how can we know otherwise? I have read this particular thread several times the past couple of days to see if maybe I am mis-interpreting something. I still don't see it. Even after Josh and CUGS was "ranted" on, his response was even keeled.

I respect and trust Tool's reply. However, when FSD SKAREN asked if something else was said either PM or e-mail wise, no response has been given. I have to agree with FSD SKAREN's post concerning the ban at this point.

Wraith 413

Toast · « **Reply #33 on:** November 30, 2006, 07:50:10 pm »

Thx for the reply on Starforce Stephen I have never heard of it before.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #34 on:** November 30, 2006, 08:42:18 pm »

Quote from: Wraith 413 on November 30, 2006, 06:36:13 pm

From what was said/replied in this thread, and that is the only evidence in the open, how can we know otherwise? I have read this particular thread several times the past couple of days to see if maybe I am mis-interpreting something. I still don't see it. Even after Josh and CUGS was "ranted" on, his response was even keeled.

I respect and trust Tool's reply. However, when FSD SKAREN asked if something else was said either PM or e-mail wise, no response has been given. I have to agree with FSD SKAREN's post concerning the ban at this point.

Wraith 413

I'm glad you respect and trust Tool's reply. However, Skaren is not an admin. The general population here is not entitled to know or rule on disciplinary matters. If that's not acceptable, then page Tool. Please don't start a campaign demanding accountabilty in the forums. Should anyone's or everyone's warnings and bannings be put on public display? I think not.

Wraith 413 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 30, 2006, 09:41:42 pm »

No one, including myself, is demanding anything. Just stating a certain confusion about matter. As far the "public display" part, it's already "ON DISPLAY". A simple acknowledgement to the question of an abusive e-mail or PM would have deterred further discussion on this subject.

Wraith 413

Skaren · « **Reply #36 on:** December 01, 2006, 09:04:06 am »

Correct Wraith,..

All it does is make you Admins look bad that is all.

We like to look up to you and pray your taking good care of the folks that use these forms. Including even the annoying "Starfleet Community Angel, Josh". He does a lot for the SFC community plain and simple.

Silence is what our government gives us, vague statements of trust us has turned people off, that is lesson that is plain for all to see since the last elections.

Your correct no one expects a full accounting of what happened, but on the face of it,.. looks bad.

If you had said, yes there was more than was posted, than we would have said OK fine, nice you Admins took care of it.

As it stands now by not answering a few simple questions, you have stirred me and probably others to talk with Josh about it and find out what the story is. Clearly your not interested in discussing it at all,.. which unfortunately,.. again looks bad.

Our worry and growing fear is that there was no other discussion, I know Josh well enough to know he is not likely to fly off the handle.

Even in his replies to antagonism from folks on this form, he kept his cool. It is highly unlikely that he fired off an outrageous abusive PM to someone. Maybe but seems less and less likely.

I hope that at the very least the Form Admins are discussing this situation among themselves. Seen a lot of Admins vanish lately, we all worry there is some alien life form taking over the brains of the remaining ones, like in the Next Generation episode

Personally,.. I had that happen to me last week !

No matter what you all decide, again we appreciate the work you folks put into these forms, For the Community.

FCM_SFHQ_XC · « **Reply #37 on:** December 01, 2006, 03:14:58 pm »

I personally say that if the admins wish to keep all the evidence and stuff secret, then it is within their rights. Same with discussing it in public and all that. It shouldnt look bad as just like with real court cases and arrests they cant just come out and discuss it. If they want to come out and give us more details then they will most likely.

Ronin · « **Reply #38 on:** December 01, 2006, 03:40:09 pm »

Bah... I had to pick today to come have a look while thinking about taking the time to get set up for Dyna play. Blech. Same crap, different millenia.

Anyway, hope you are all well.

*cloaks and scoots away at speed six*

RFA-Warchild · « **Reply #39 on:** December 01, 2006, 05:43:57 pm »

Sighs deeply...having been a proud member of XC as well as an admin over at CUGS these discussions always wound me deeply. Some of us know of long past arguments or disagreements...others of us know nothing. The end result is that the SFC community is growing smaller every day and we have two major communities that need to be bridged somehow...I've seen tournys between the two as well as dynas we have fought together in. I for one remain impartial hoping we all get it together one day. In defense of Josh however i must state that when people have had problems with Teamspeak he has always helped out. The CUGS site proudly displays Dyna events as well as the rare oppurtunities we have had to tourny together on Gamespy. As far as spamming "yes we know Josh by now lol". As far as what went on behind the scenes i have seen the pm's and all i can say is tempers flare but maybe the banning should be reconsidered or at least talked about. Its a shame to see a further rift in SFC community is all...With Legacy looking like its gonna bomb and the SFC numbers dwindling we really need to pull together is all.

BTW hi to everyone!

FA Frey XC · « **Reply #40 on:** December 01, 2006, 11:21:36 pm »

Josh was banned for admin abuse. This is something we take very seriously here at D.Net.

And as some of you may sense, he's been treading on shaky ground for a long time.

I have over three pages of his posts saved, in which he plugged his site, his services, and utilized our services and bandwidth to promote his site that were in violation of the terms and conditions of this site. I've got saved pages of when the whole "pay for play" scam went down at CUGS, although most of you are probably new enough to his site to not even know about that.

I have several saved PM's of conversations we've had regarding our agreements about intra-site support, and I've even got a couple teamspeak sessions recorded regarding our issues with his usage of D.Net resources to better his site. So, if we really wanted to go public, it'd be petty, stupid, and quite frankly it would go against my personal code of ethics and one helluva waste in time just to satisfy a few peoples curiosity. It'd also violate Josh's right to privacy, which we happen to also take very seriously - that happens to also be the reason we ALWAYS tell you to resolve personal issues via PM's.

If you've not read the rules / terms of services then I suggest you do so forthright, as this site is a continuation of a community and tradition that was around a long time before CUGS, and will be around long after because the community knows who does what for the community.

Who was contacted by CUGS/ Josh and told they would have spot in podcasts, then never given any information on how to do this? Dynaverse.Net

Who was contacted by CUGS / Josh and asked to be a participant on the Round Table of Modders, but then never given any information on where this forum was meeting, and how to participate? Dynaverse.Net.

Who has worked on numerous occassions to put the "bad" behind in the spirit of mutual site promotion, only to NEVER get any offerings from the CUGS admin staff as to what we could do on their site? Dynaverse.Net

Who's consistantly broken every promise he's made to Dynaverse.Net and myself personally about this supposed inter-site support? DIF Josh.

So, the bottom line is, when you come into someone's house, don't piss on the couch. It's been the same ever since D.Net took over for Taldren in keeping the SFC torch alive, with Taldren's blessings. Taldren didn't tolerate moderator / admin abuse, and we won't either. You want to play the "we'll have to choose" card, then please go ahead.

We'll still be here when you get back, doing the same thing we've always done - serve the community FOR the community.

Regards,

Frey

762_XC · « **Reply #41 on:** December 01, 2006, 11:27:45 pm »

Um, Frey....

Quote from: FSD Skaren on November 27, 2006, 12:41:35 pm

762 ,..

I am guessing there were other exhanges besides the public ones ?

Correct, Skaren. And out of respect for the banned the details shall not be known. That has been, and ever shall be, Dnet's policy.

Chris Jones · « **Reply #42 on:** December 01, 2006, 11:35:42 pm »

Quote from: Toast on November 26, 2006, 01:21:10 pm

Quote from: Lepton on November 26, 2006, 12:57:45 pm
You know, I hate to say it but I think Legacy is a bit amateurish. Look at the front man, Gary Conti. He's an associate producer and looks like he just got pubes the other day.
Lmao now thats hard core,( 4 FOR MULTIPLAYER) Looks like once again the fan base has been ignored.

So it would seem - there was talk of modding in 8, 10, etc, like in BC, but that rumour was squashed as well. The bottom line is, we'll wait and see.

Victor1st · « **Reply #43 on:** December 02, 2006, 12:55:33 pm »

Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on December 01, 2006, 11:21:36 pm

Who was contacted by CUGS / Josh and asked to be a participant on the Round Table of Modders, but then never given any information on where this forum was meeting, and how to participate? Dynaverse.Net.

The STG was also involved in the modders roundtable.

As for what you posted about it above frey, I was there.

I can specifically recall "X" (X from SFC3 and S31) contacting you time and time again on MSN Messenger and her saying to the rest of us that you just wanted to sit back and let us continue. Hell, even I contacted you, you said the same thing to me. CUGS, STG and X representing the S31 modders kept trying to involve you in the TS meetings, X and myself emailed you the address of the old modders roundtable and X continued to MSN you with the meeting times and gave you the address of the old Modders Roundtable forum address at cugs.

RFA-Warchild · « **Reply #44 on:** December 02, 2006, 02:49:51 pm »

Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on December 01, 2006, 11:21:36 pm

Josh was banned for admin abuse. This is something we take very seriously here at D.Net.

And as some of you may sense, he's been treading on shaky ground for a long time.

I have over three pages of his posts saved, in which he plugged his site, his services, and utilized our services and bandwidth to promote his site that were in violation of the terms and conditions of this site. I've got saved pages of when the whole "pay for play" scam went down at CUGS, although most of you are probably new enough to his site to not even know about that.

I have several saved PM's of conversations we've had regarding our agreements about intra-site support, and I've even got a couple teamspeak sessions recorded regarding our issues with his usage of D.Net resources to better his site. So, if we really wanted to go public, it'd be petty, stupid, and quite frankly it would go against my personal code of ethics and one helluva waste in time just to satisfy a few peoples curiosity. It'd also violate Josh's right to privacy, which we happen to also take very seriously - that happens to also be the reason we ALWAYS tell you to resolve personal issues via PM's.

If you've not read the rules / terms of services then I suggest you do so forthright, as this site is a continuation of a community and tradition that was around a long time before CUGS, and will be around long after because the community knows who does what for the community.

Who was contacted by CUGS/ Josh and told they would have spot in podcasts, then never given any information on how to do this? Dynaverse.Net

Who was contacted by CUGS / Josh and asked to be a participant on the Round Table of Modders, but then never given any information on where this forum was meeting, and how to participate? Dynaverse.Net.

Who has worked on numerous occassions to put the "bad" behind in the spirit of mutual site promotion, only to NEVER get any offerings from the CUGS admin staff as to what we could do on their site? Dynaverse.Net

Who's consistantly broken every promise he's made to Dynaverse.Net and myself personally about this supposed inter-site support? DIF Josh.

So, the bottom line is, when you come into someone's house, don't piss on the couch. It's been the same ever since D.Net took over for Taldren in keeping the SFC torch alive, with Taldren's blessings. Taldren didn't tolerate moderator / admin abuse, and we won't either. You want to play the "we'll have to choose" card, then please go ahead.

We'll still be here when you get back, doing the same thing we've always done - serve the community FOR the community.

Regards,

Frey

Well I've been asked to remove the XC from my Gaming tag ... after recieving this email which seems to coincide with the timing of my post here..

*contents of private email message removed* - 762

To clear the record the XC tag was merely an attempt to help bridge the two communities of dyna and GS...For a while this seemed promising...and every time i saw an XC on i would attempt to fly with them. Secondly nearly every time I have gone to visit the Dyna "XC" teamspeak its either empty or peeps werent playing OP. If im not mistaken when was the last actual dyna that people vaunted was it "klingon civil war" kinda hard to participate in events that arent around. As to the bad blood between certain members of both communities its just SAD that a few peoples vanity on both sides have pretty much caused a rift in a rapidly declining community..."And i HAVE been around through all the stuff you list up here quoted and must say that it is very one sided in content"...dont dis legacy too much it may be the last viable ST gaming after all this drama...and thats pretty scary...congrats to everyone whose egos have contributed to the state of things as they are now...

Scratch one more guy from the list who cared about helping save his favorite game...

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Dfly · « **Reply #45 on:** December 02, 2006, 03:23:23 pm »

Keeping him banned, or unbanning him, is always up to the ones who run this. All we wanted was more info as to why, and now we have it. Thx. It is not up to us pawns to decide if it was right or wrong, just for us to question when we don't have the info.

Chris Jones · « **Reply #46 on:** December 02, 2006, 04:59:07 pm »

Quote from: RFA-Warchild on December 01, 2006, 05:43:57 pm

Sighs deeply...having been a proud member of XC as well as an admin over at CUGS these discussions always wound me deeply. Some of us know of long past arguments or disagreements...others of us know nothing. The end result is that the SFC community is growing smaller every day and we have two major communities that need to be bridged somehow...I've seen tourneys between the two as well as dynas we have fought together in. I for one remain impartial hoping we all get it together one day. In defense of Josh however i must state that when people have had problems with Teamspeak he has always helped out. The CUGS site proudly displays Dyna events as well as the rare opportunities we have had to tourney together on Gamespy. As far as spamming "yes we know Josh by now lol". As far as what went on behind the scenes i have seen the pm's and all i can say is tempers flare but maybe the banning should be reconsidered or at least talked about. Its a shame to see a further rift in SFC community is all...With Legacy looking like its gonna bomb and the SFC numbers dwindling we really need to pull together is all.

BTW hi to everyone!

Hi War - I agree with all of this - except the "Legacy bombs" part haha. It is unfortunate that two communities that support Orion Pirates, in all it's forms, are at odds. Yes Dfly we don't control these forums, but all of us are supporting OP. I wish we could do it together. It looks to me like Josh was defending CUGS after a strange comment by Tobin Dax about Ladder leagues not doing well with 2 v 2. Actually I differ with that opinion, but that's another story. He is a little self promotional regarding CUGS, perhaps too much at times, and that seems to rub some people the wrong way. He means well, and I think you guys know that. He has offered the use of the CUGS Teamspeak when D.Net's was down. Josh has told me what he said to the admin - he should not be banned for that as he is only trying to unite the communities. Bottom Line. This is just a damn game, some are saying a dying game, and this will help the 'dying game' mindset. The CUGS people want to keep OP going as long as possible, and D.Net is an SFCOP community. Can't we all just get along? Please?

I am proud to be a member of this community, and proud to have helped extend the life of all the SFC games. Erik Bethke told me I was one reason for the popularity of SFC.

Anyway.. I don't think Tobin meant anything bad with his comment - and Josh was defending CUGS, as he has the right to. This whole thing is just stupid, a bad reaction to Josh's CUGS Promo machine.

We need to get along, all of us. I love SFC, and want to see it go beyond the Legacy era, and into the Star Trek Online era as well. UAW will live on forever, as will 4.0 - CUGS and Dyna both love and promote 4.0 matches.

This all boils down to human nature.

Frey - I will abide by what you PM'ed me, but I felt the need to express these opinions and reserve the right to do so.

Acidrain2 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 02, 2006, 08:54:51 pm »

Quote from: Lepton on November 26, 2006, 12:57:45 pm

ChessMess confirmed that on the LegacyMods forum a few days ago. Perhaps they will patch it in the future. You know, I hate to say it but I think Legacy is a bit amateurish. Look at the front man, Gary Conti. He's an associate producer and looks like he just got pubes the other day. I think this game was rushed, is incomplete, and frankly was managed with people without as much experience as is required to produce such an important game title with such a vaunted franchise.

I would have to agree with this statement Lepton, i dont think i could have put it any better! My god man, i almost fell off my chair you cant be doing that! Nice touch though!

Josh & Cugs.org Issue,

I don't know what happen but iam not a big fan of people that ban others and we dont do this on Trekonline, which iam a lead Admin on i find it unprofessional in my opinion and that someone disagrees with someones view and so therefore they stop it by baning them! It isn't my place to either say it is right or wrong as iam only a member here but iam also a part of the Cugs Staff, STG Staff and Trekonline staff and i think it is wrong and i wanted to give my opinion. As iam only a member of this community i hope i bring a great service to D.Net with my updates on Legacy, Argus Array Podcast by STG, Hailing Freq & ST:O!

I hope this issue gets resolved as we don't need further rifts in the community!

Cheers,

Acidrain

KBF-Crim · « **Reply #48 on:** December 02, 2006, 10:09:51 pm »

*sigh*

mindwipe · « **Reply #49 on:** December 02, 2006, 11:10:47 pm »

ok Mindwipe is in the house and u WILL listen.

Not for long, and no we won't.

Anyone else want to create an account just to flame the admins/site owner? -762

KBF-Crim · « **Reply #50 on:** December 02, 2006, 11:13:50 pm »

Ok....it's STFU time...woohoo....

Sirgod · « **Reply #51 on:** December 03, 2006, 09:50:48 am »

Quote from: Toast on November 30, 2006, 07:50:10 pm

Thx for the reply on Starforce Stephen I have never heard of it before.

I know you locked this thread Crim, But I just wanted to say, your welcome Toast, anytime I can help out with an issue like that, just let me know.

Stephen

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