Topic: Canadian Military ? (or any other army ,maybe I'd guess)

[TraumaTech]

Didn't like Alberta much (though it was better than Manitoba..ick)
I likve Vancouver, dunno if I'd want to live  there though. (Isn't it like pricey?)

Ugh plus the Canucks.. I'm not even sure the Sens are visiting there this year..

It depends on where you live as to the high standards in Alberta that is not something Ralph Klien did it was what Brian Mulroney promised Peter Lougheed then Premier of Alberta by getting rid of the Natioanal Energy Program another great idea from Trudeau.

Ummm... well you are correct getting rid of the NEP did help the economy here... brought back the oil companies, Lougheed put this province deep in the hole. King Ralph dug us out of it.

 ummmmm  the extraordinary events of the last couple years,coupled with unscrupulous gouging by oil speculators,dug alberta out of the hole....king ralph,just happen to be the jerk in office 

Sigh... ok, I don't know why you have a fixation on Ralph... transference from some other issue?
The last couple years have been Ralph's worst, he has let the government run on autopilot and spending has gone nuts... not catastrophic with the petroleum revenues coming in, but when they crash...
Ralph's great deed was in the 90's, when he cut infrastructure spending to the bone. No more deficit budgets. Any surpluses went to debt reduction. Things were rough: health care, education, government services were all bare bones. But the majority of the population could see the light at the end of the tunnel and kept voting him in. As I said before, the oil boom accelerated this by 2 years.
B.C. is in the process of the same thing right now. The voters got sick of NDP socialism and deficit budgets.
Now if the rest of the country would get on board, that would be nice... but why bother when the have provinces provide a welfare state for the rest?
I've lived here for the better part of 19 years, I got a first hand view of what went on. Your uninformed comments on the cause of Alberta's success only highlight your willful ignorance.

 every province cut  infrastructure spending in the early 90's(it dawned on them,the gravey train is over)   that would be the process ,where the fed gov downloaded onto the prov govs  who then downloaded onto the municipal gov who ultimately downloaded onto the poor working stiff who pays for everything.this happened right across the country.the parts of the country who weathered it the best were the provinces with the largest population(Ontario) concentrated in one area(southern Ontario) and provinces that had the richest resources(alberta) with it's oil.Ralph at best you could say...was a one trick horse,of coarse that trick was coming to the realization that,"oh my,i am spending more than i can afford'.  way to go ralph,in maybe being the first to ralize that.
  You said his best years were in the 90's with bare bones spending?? what has he figured out since then...lol   oh my,i can spend like a fool again(or those other fools) because some oil speculator has more than doubled the cost of a barrel of oil.

  i and likely most others maybe a little envious that alberta pays no provincial taxes because of the oil,but we sure as hell pay our fair share in taxes in this county as any albertan ilregardless of a "have or have not state",and a comment from a loud mouth who only claim to fame is he is an albertan,......a drunk at that......is simply repugnant.

 

[Riskyllama]

whoa now guys...keep it civil or we'll have to invade you guys again(See Note on War of 1812) for peacekeeping operations.

[likkerpig]

 every province cut  infrastructure spending in the early 90's(it dawned on them,the gravey train is over)   that would be the process ,where the fed gov downloaded onto the prov govs  who then downloaded onto the municipal gov who ultimately downloaded onto the poor working stiff who pays for everything.this happened right across the country.the parts of the country who weathered it the best were the provinces with the largest population(Ontario) concentrated in one area(southern Ontario) and provinces that had the richest resources(alberta) with it's oil.Ralph at best you could say...was a one trick horse,of coarse that trick was coming to the realization that,"oh my,i am spending more than i can afford'.  way to go ralph,in maybe being the first to ralize that.
  You said his best years were in the 90's with bare bones spending?? what has he figured out since then...lol   oh my,i can spend like a fool again(or those other fools) because some oil speculator has more than doubled the cost of a barrel of oil.

  i and likely most others maybe a little envious that alberta pays no provincial taxes because of the oil,but we sure as hell pay our fair share in taxes in this county as any albertan ilregardless of a "have or have not state",and a comment from a loud mouth who only claim to fame is he is an albertan,......a drunk at that......is simply repugnant.

 

I'll start with the last first. As for me being a drunk, well, given my moniker that is a given. Loudmouth? Well, sometimes, although I have been rather sparse in my posting during the last few months. Irregardless, if you meant it as an insult, my feelings are not hurt, I've been called worse by better, (and far more literate) people.
As far as paying your fair share... why do we still have transfer payments then? Every province in this country has natural resources and capable work forces... some just lack the determination to make the sacrifices necessary to drag themselves out of the muck of debt, are content to be welfare provinces.
I've explained twice how Alberta got to where it is today, you chose to be wilfully ignorant of the facts, letting your jeleousy and envy taint your words and thoughts. That is your problem, not mine or Alberta's. Hey, you don't like us, don't visit! As my banner says, I'd be more than happy to have Alberta seperate and leave the rest of you to wallow along on your own.
Oh, and to clear up a misconception, we do have provincial tax here, 10% flat rate.

[TraumaTech]

 every province cut  infrastructure spending in the early 90's(it dawned on them,the gravey train is over)   that would be the process ,where the fed gov downloaded onto the prov govs  who then downloaded onto the municipal gov who ultimately downloaded onto the poor working stiff who pays for everything.this happened right across the country.the parts of the country who weathered it the best were the provinces with the largest population(Ontario) concentrated in one area(southern Ontario) and provinces that had the richest resources(alberta) with it's oil.Ralph at best you could say...was a one trick horse,of coarse that trick was coming to the realization that,"oh my,i am spending more than i can afford'.  way to go ralph,in maybe being the first to ralize that.
  You said his best years were in the 90's with bare bones spending?? what has he figured out since then...lol   oh my,i can spend like a fool again(or those other fools) because some oil speculator has more than doubled the cost of a barrel of oil.

  i and likely most others maybe a little envious that alberta pays no provincial taxes because of the oil,but we sure as hell pay our fair share in taxes in this county as any albertan ilregardless of a "have or have not state",and a comment from a loud mouth who only claim to fame is he is an albertan,......a drunk at that......is simply repugnant.

 

I'll start with the last first. As for me being a drunk, well, given my moniker that is a given. Loudmouth? Well, sometimes, although I have been rather sparse in my posting during the last few months. Irregardless, if you meant it as an insult, my feelings are not hurt, I've been called worse by better, (and far more literate) people.
As far as paying your fair share... why do we still have transfer payments then? Every province in this country has natural resources and capable work forces... some just lack the determination to make the sacrifices necessary to drag themselves out of the muck of debt, are content to be welfare provinces.
I've explained twice how Alberta got to where it is today, you chose to be wilfully ignorant of the facts, letting your jeleousy and envy taint your words and thoughts. That is your problem, not mine or Alberta's. Hey, you don't like us, don't visit! As my banner says, I'd be more than happy to have Alberta seperate and leave the rest of you to wallow along on your own.
Oh, and to clear up a misconception, we do have provincial tax here, 10% flat rate.

actually   the drunk part was referring to ralph,but i c where you would think it was at you,and i doubt you have been insulted by better.
this divergence from the topic is going no where fast,so long as smugness and arrogance which you are full of and a few other things(now this was an insult).
           forgive me,as i am trying to keep the words small,so as not to lose you.as for leaving Canada,well   like the french...if ya wanna go,then go....don't threaten it,do it...we'll manage to keep things moving along,even if they are not at the pace you and ralph would like it

[likkerpig]

 every province cut  infrastructure spending in the early 90's(it dawned on them,the gravey train is over)   that would be the process ,where the fed gov downloaded onto the prov govs  who then downloaded onto the municipal gov who ultimately downloaded onto the poor working stiff who pays for everything.this happened right across the country.the parts of the country who weathered it the best were the provinces with the largest population(Ontario) concentrated in one area(southern Ontario) and provinces that had the richest resources(alberta) with it's oil.Ralph at best you could say...was a one trick horse,of coarse that trick was coming to the realization that,"oh my,i am spending more than i can afford'.  way to go ralph,in maybe being the first to ralize that.
  You said his best years were in the 90's with bare bones spending?? what has he figured out since then...lol   oh my,i can spend like a fool again(or those other fools) because some oil speculator has more than doubled the cost of a barrel of oil.

  i and likely most others maybe a little envious that alberta pays no provincial taxes because of the oil,but we sure as hell pay our fair share in taxes in this county as any albertan ilregardless of a "have or have not state",and a comment from a loud mouth who only claim to fame is he is an albertan,......a drunk at that......is simply repugnant.

 

I'll start with the last first. As for me being a drunk, well, given my moniker that is a given. Loudmouth? Well, sometimes, although I have been rather sparse in my posting during the last few months. Irregardless, if you meant it as an insult, my feelings are not hurt, I've been called worse by better, (and far more literate) people.
As far as paying your fair share... why do we still have transfer payments then? Every province in this country has natural resources and capable work forces... some just lack the determination to make the sacrifices necessary to drag themselves out of the muck of debt, are content to be welfare provinces.
I've explained twice how Alberta got to where it is today, you chose to be wilfully ignorant of the facts, letting your jeleousy and envy taint your words and thoughts. That is your problem, not mine or Alberta's. Hey, you don't like us, don't visit! As my banner says, I'd be more than happy to have Alberta seperate and leave the rest of you to wallow along on your own.
Oh, and to clear up a misconception, we do have provincial tax here, 10% flat rate.

actually   the drunk part was referring to ralph,but i c where you would think it was at you,and i doubt you have been insulted by better.
this divergence from the topic is going no where fast,so long as smugness and arrogance which you are full of and a few other things(now this was an insult).
           forgive me,as i am trying to keep the words small,so as not to lose you.as for leaving Canada,well   like the french...if ya wanna go,then go....don't threaten it,do it...we'll manage to keep things moving along,even if they are not at the pace you and ralph would like it

LOL... what is this, round 8? Them ropes are making impressions on your back!
Yes, I have been insulted by better... not hanging out at the EI and Welfare offices, pretty sure I run with a better class crowd than what you are used to.
No problem with the small words, notice that you haven't got the hang of capitalization yet, no problem, I can lower myself to your standard.
Unlike the Quebecers, we don't make threats to get concessions from the rest of the country. You have nothing we want. Last federal election 30+% of Albertans were in favor of leaving the country, another Lieberal government will put that over the top. They will come back to power, because the rest of the country will buy into their lies again... weakness for being fed feel good crap is inherent in the national psyche.
Enjoy your welfare state.

[KBF-Crim]

That's about enough of that eh?

Not only is this thread completly off topic...it's devolving into a peepee match...

 

[Green]

MEMORANDUM FOR POTUS

FROM:  COL GREEN

SUBJECT:  Alberta

Sir,

It has come to my attention that not all is well in Canada.  The province of Alberta is trying to make a break from the rest of their nation.  Request approval to develop plans for the possible movement of Alberta into the United States.  This course of action would provide the following advantages:

1)  Oil

2)  One step closer to getting Alaska attached to the lower 48

3)  Help to offset the loonies in the state of Washington

It is possible that military action might be required to execute this COA.  Inside sources inform me that we there is a chance that none other then Hexx may be assigned to the Canadian Defence Force.  With luck, he could be assigned to a defense post in Alberta. In turn, the Canadian government may actually assign him a position of responsibility.  If this scenario plays out, I recommend the execution of the aforementioned plans for the conquest of Alberta.

-----------------------

Monsieur,

Il est venu à mon attention que pas tout est bien au Canada. La province d'Alberta essaye de faire une coupure à partir du reste de leur nation. Invitez l'approbation pour développer des plans pour le mouvement possible d'Alberta en les Etats-Unis. Cette ligne de conduite fournirait les avantages suivants :

1) huile

2) une étape plus près de passer l'Alaska attaché aux 48 inférieurs

3) aide pour excentrer les loonies dans l'état de Washington

Il est possible que l'action militaire pourrait être exigée pour exécuter ce COA. Les sources intérieures m'informent que nous il y a une chance qu'aucun autre alors [ b]Hexx[/b ] ne peut être assigné à la force canadienne de la défense. Avec la chance, il pourrait être affecté à un poteau de la défense dans Alberta. Alternativement, le gouvernement canadien peut réellement lui assigner une position de la responsabilité. Si ce scénario joue dehors, je recommande l'exécution des plans mentionnés ci-dessus pour la conquête d'Alberta

//SIGNED//
Col Green

[likkerpig]

That's about enough of that eh?

Not only is this thread completly off topic...it's devolving into a peepee match...

 

You leave my peepee outa this!
Shouldn't you be out harassing cops, not playing one?
 

[KBF-Crim]

That's about enough of that eh?

Not only is this thread completly off topic...it's devolving into a peepee match...

 

You leave my peepee outa this!
Shouldn't you be out harassing cops, not playing one?
 

[likkerpig]

That's about enough of that eh?

Not only is this thread completly off topic...it's devolving into a peepee match...

 

You leave my peepee outa this!
Shouldn't you be out harassing cops, not playing one?
 

sigh...
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163368776.0.html

[Hexx]

Sheesh Crimmy even *I* got Likkers reference right off. 

And <sigh> as cool as it would be to get assigned to a postion where I could invade the US, apparently the Canadian Armed Forces has all these "rules" about who's in charge. Just because I'm better than everyone else is ~as it turns out~ not an excuse to jump over the ranks and be given a Commander in Chiefship right away.

Also not sure if it might be the job for me after all, just watched the recruitment video today, apparently (as a recruit anyway) they
expect you to make your bed neat, keep your little room tidy and iron your stuff.
I can't remember the last time I did *any* of those.
Obviously it's some weird form of brainwashing.

[Father Ted]

Welcome to the military! How dare they make you keep a neat bunk and appearance! This is a job for the ACLU! Oops, I forgot, you're Canadian and they don't have jurisdiction to interfere. You're on your own...

[KBF-Crim]

Sheesh Crimmy even *I* got Likkers reference right off. 

And <sigh> as cool as it would be to get assigned to a postion where I could invade the US, apparently the Canadian Armed Forces has all these "rules" about who's in charge. Just because I'm better than everyone else is ~as it turns out~ not an excuse to jump over the ranks and be given a Commander in Chiefship right away.

Also not sure if it might be the job for me after all, just watched the recruitment video today, apparently (as a recruit anyway) they
expect you to make your bed neat, keep your little room tidy and iron your stuff.
I can't remember the last time I did *any* of those.
Obviously it's some weird form of brainwashing.

I got it too goofball...the point remains...

 

Follow em.

[likkerpig]

Sheesh Crimmy even *I* got Likkers reference right off. 

And <sigh> as cool as it would be to get assigned to a postion where I could invade the US, apparently the Canadian Armed Forces has all these "rules" about who's in charge. Just because I'm better than everyone else is ~as it turns out~ not an excuse to jump over the ranks and be given a Commander in Chiefship right away.

Also not sure if it might be the job for me after all, just watched the recruitment video today, apparently (as a recruit anyway) they
expect you to make your bed neat, keep your little room tidy and iron your stuff.
I can't remember the last time I did *any* of those.
Obviously it's some weird form of brainwashing.

Go officer. They have maids to take care of that while they are in school anyway... afterwards... well, guess ya would haveta get married and make the spouse take care of that.

[Age]

That's about enough of that eh?

Not only is this thread completly off topic...it's devolving into a peepee match...

 

I thought this was more of a HoT&Spicey topic Crim.It would be waffleing where I come from.

[Tekwarrior]

Gentlemen. I am in the Canadian Airforce. My trade is Aviation systems technician, who transfered from infantry and has done 2 "Sea tours", totaling 4 years on navy frigids, with seaking helicopters. I would say i have a good spectrum of life in the Canadian military. 22 years of service says so.
    If you want camaraderie with some danger (and depending on your point of view, excitement) combat arms trades are there. Lots of field training deployments. It can be a bit teediest when not deployed, with lots of inspections on people and equipment. There is also a lot of physical fitness training to take up the time as well. As a grunt I did that a couple of hours every day. The army picks your training, not you. Army does more then just combat arms. They do have trades training too. All the services do.  If you want to see the world, the navy does a lot of port calls all over the place. The Airforce, to me, is most like a civilian job. The Army and Navy are big on rank. The Airforce , although rank has it's place, deals more in the job then the rank. People tend to stay for full careers in the Airforce, then they do  in the Army and Navy because the Airforce does not treat the people as harsh as the other 2 services.     
     Most time you can change trades if you do not like what you are doing. My trades training was on a course full of all combat arms trades. They ranged from Sargent's to corporals. I know Chief warrent officers (an enlisted rank) that have changed trades and some have gone officer. When it comes to trade change, combat arms takes priority, because they generally are put in the most danger, in regards to life and limb. You have to do 2 and half years in trade before you can request a change. Then you go through the waiting  game till your name and trade come up. It took me 4 years before i got my new trade.
       It's a good life, but don't fool yourself about it. It can be hard on you, both physically and mentally, but especially hard on families. If your planning on getting married and having a family, make darn sure whoever your marrying has their eyes open. I love the life but it has been trying at time, with my family. As a heads up to you for family life, I have this to tell you as an example. I was deployed for my first daughter. Missed the first 3 months of her life. I was on training for my second daughter and missed the first 3 months of her life. Wife just loved it (sarcasm). However, when my third daughter was born with complications, I was told, "GO HOME. KEEP US INFORMED" The military was there for me in times of trouble. They go out of their way when bad things happens. Find a civilian job that does that for you and still pay you. I hope, although I've been a bit long-winded, that this helps in your decision to join up or not. Good Luck

[Howie]

Hexx:

Some very good information about the Military. Like any job it has its ups and downs. One one side you have the civilian life. You have more personal freedom, you can take advantage of many of the things Military personnel cannot, such as enjoying family life to its fullest.

The other side is the Military lifestyle. As Tek said, it is incredibly tough on home life. They treat you pretty good with decent pay and benefits.

 My experience has been 18 years worth. I was in the Navy for 15 of those years and I was a Recruiter for 2 of them 99-01 in vancouver and Victoria. I was a PO1(Petty officer first class) while in the navy serving on pretty much every west coast ship. The trade I was in was called Nav Comm or Naval Communicator. If you were to join the navy you will be gone from home a rough average of 180 days per year up to 300 days per year. I say rough average because everyone's experience is different. Some years I was home for quite a bit of the time, then due to training/deployments/personnel shortages I was home 4 days in 18 months(this really kills your computer gaming time btw...)

Due to a medical problem, I am unable to sail anymore so I am currently in the Air Force as an ATIS tech (Aerospace Telecommunications and Informational systems tech).
A big long ass acronym for I fix Electronic stuff from radar to computers and everything in between. Tek is correct in that the air force is considerably more in line with the civilian sector. I work 730 - 330 weekdays with weekends off just like in the outside world. I get 25 days paid vacation a year, Full dental/medical coverage, etc.

Now for some direct information...

The best place to go is www.dnd.ca for information. The have videos for trade information on all of the hundreds of trades available in the CF. It all boils down to what you want to do. Click on the "Recruiting" Picture on the left side and browse all jobs.

Just know that they do work on quotas. Certain trades will be full and not available, whilst others will be open and available to you. The recruiters should help you as much as possible by showing you all the information on certain trades. Keep in mind they are not experts on all of the trades. For example a Navy recruiter can not tell you how much time off you will get as an Air Force trade or how much time in the field you will spend  as an Army trade. I have heard some horror stories about US military recruiters promising the world...The Canadian forces recruiters will not lie to you and a good recruiter will make sure you understand the information fully. They cannot tell you everything that will happen in your career either ie Time you will wait for training, when you will get promotions, sh*tty trivial jobs that need to get done(we all do them) etc.

Take what they say with a grain of salt. Do some research. Ask to speak with someone in that trade if possible. Do your homework. If the trade you wanted is closed be prepared to wait until it is open. They will ask you if you want something else that is open.

Now onto the process...

1.) You go in and speak with a recruiter.
2.) you pick a trade and do some research at which time you will be given an application.
3.) fill out the app and bring it back in.
4.) Wait for a call for processing( this can take a few months depending on the workload of the centre in question.)
5.) You will get a call booking you for processing. This step includes an Aptitude test (CFAT), Some other paperwork, An interview with a Military Career counselor(what I used to do), a medical, and the Physical Fitness test.
6.) If you meet the standards, the wait for enrollment can take a few months more. It is all dependant on when QL3(qualification Level and 3 being the basic level) will take place. Also be prepared for them to enroll you quickly and have a long wait while in the military for your QL3 course.

The term for NCM(Non commissioned members) is 3 years.(there are NCM plans that are longer if you take fully subsidized University training for those trades)
The term for Officers is normally 9 Years.

What you need:

Dependant on what trade you choose, your education background will be forefront. For example, to get into a technical trade such as Tek or myself you will need very strong advanced math(algebra) and Physics at least at the grade 12 level. (Most of the videos will tell you what subjects you need)

Well ill stop rambling and if you have any direct questions just post them and I will try to answer them as best I can.

Cheers.
 

[Howie]

One other thing that I should add about changing trades.

Here is the thing. To change trades OT (occupational transfer) it can occur while in basic training up to your graduation from your QL3 training. After that point you will have to wait until you have finished you QL5 course(next formal level from your QL3 while your QL4 is mainly an On the job qual). You also will need as a requirement at least 48 months. Normally by this time you will have had your QL5 training.

You can apply for OT at any time during your career regardless of rank BUT only if the trade is not closed out. This means if it is closed out they do not have enough to fill critical shortages and no OTs will be accepted. I have a friend who has gone through 4 different trades. Stoker, Hull tech, Arty, and Atis Tech. Needless to say if you are at a rank above Cpl when you OT, you will lose that rank and go down to a Cpl.

Since my OT was for medical reasons, I lost my rank..(it sucks to go down 3 ranks!!!) but keep my pay at my former level.

Just some food for thought!

Cheers!

[Hexx]

Thanks Guys! (missed Teks post there)

Right now preoccupied by moving, then will have to be preoccupied with getting hte weight off
Figure by March or so should be ready to join up.
 Still a little bitter that (from what I've heard) because I'm now "old enough" to be a mature student
I can't apply for the finish University on their dime kinda thing but eh, my bad for not finishing University the first time round.

<sigh> Too stupid in my youth.