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Herr Burt

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DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« on: March 10, 2003, 01:16:51 am »
Well, since people have started to notice my continued adivice for Romulans to practice in Hawk and Eagle hulls, I'd better explain the absence of Kestrels.  And I'd better don some asbestos.  I'll go hide in a vat of extinquisher foam now, and check back in a few days to see if it is safe.

THE STORY ON KESTRELS
In 2260 (13 years before the Day of the Eagle opens) the Klingons signed the Treaty of Smarba with the Romulans, and delivered a batch of D6's and F5s.  This was a clever move on the part of the Klingons to increase pressure on the Federation's eastern border, and thus keep the flatheads out of the Four Powers war.  The war didn't end as well as the Klingons had hoped, but the Treaty of Smarba did accomplish its chief goal:  The Feds stayed home.

The D6's and F5's were strictly second-rate ships to the Klingons, but represented a great leap forward in technology for the Romulans.  (Their Great Houses had been sabatoging each other's warp projects for years, more concerned with their own advancement than that of the Empire as a whole)  The Romulans converted these ships  to  KR's and K5R's.    Over the next couple of years they purchased several more batches of both cruisers and made many conversions of them later.  (The Klingons never sold any variants to the Roms; all Rom variants were converted from this original batch of KR's and K5R's and do not represent an expansion of the order of battle.)

In 2265 (8 years before the start of this game) the Klingons also sold three D7 hulls to the Romulans.  These were converted to K7R's, and then later into KCR's.  All other conversions of these D7 hulls are conjectural only, and were never in service.  No more than these three D7 hulls were ever sold.

By 2268 (5 years before the game starts), with the General war starting to heat up, the Romulans urgently requested the delivery of more D6 and F5 hulls to increase their number of warp-capable ships.  By now, however, the Klingons were at war and unwilling to part with any ships even remotely useful.  They refused any further sales.  The Romulans repeated their requests, and eventaully settled for a shipment of E4 escorts.  Even this was a raw deal.  The Romulans expected relatively new ships from Klingon mothballs, but the Klinks kept these for themselves and instead delivered only a batch of ancient E4's, worn out from years of patrols.  No more E4's were sold, and it is questionable as to whether the Roms would even have been interested.

By 2273 (the opening of the Day of the Eagle) it's thus been half a decade since the delivery of any Klink hulls.  Those kestrels still in the field are in the hands of capable starship commanders and not looking for a green captain.  The new starships rolling off the lines and waiting for new officers would be the Hawk and Eagle hulls.  A relatively young starship captain, full of promise (such as yourself) would be assigned to one of these vessels.

There are two exceptions to my above picture:

1) As part of the deal to convince the Romulans to go to war, the Klingon high command arranged the delivery of one C9 dreadnought to Romulus.  It enterred service in 2272 (a year before the game starts), and has a very experienced captain in charge.  He's not going anywhere until he goes down with his ship so you shouldn't even think about this command.

2)In the confused fighting of 2274 (a year after the game starts) three Romulan Sparrowhaks became cut off and forced to resupply at a Klingon base.  The Klingons then decided to keep them!  The Romulan Senate was enraged, and demanded the return of their ships.  The Klingons refused but agreed to transfer three D5's instead.  These became KDR's, which the Romulans found useful.  No more KDR's were ever delivered however, as the supply line between Romulas and Klinshai was soon after cut by a Tholian blockade.  The Romulans eventually found it impossible to keep these three KDR's in repair as they could no longer get spares from the Klinks and had no facilities to build any themselves.

Thus, the KDR will appear in the shipyards during 2274 only.  No more will appear in 2275 or later.  If you really want a KDR, be on the lookout during 2274 and then fight hard to keep it alive.  You break it you lose it.

The KCR was purely conjectural.  The Klinks never sold the Roms any C7's, and wouldn't have wanted to spare any.  Delivery would have been nearly impossible at this point in the war anyway as the Tholians/Feds had sealed their border quite tightly by then.

You may come across Kestrels in combat, but you will almost never see them in the shipyard.

And that's my story on Kestrels.  Fly the (refitted) Hawk.  Be the (refitted) Eagle.  You'll feel better.

-Herr Burt the hiding    
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by Herr Burt »

LongTooth

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2003, 01:28:55 am »
Understand the resons why but I think Ill be very loney flying rom

TheMaverick

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2003, 02:29:57 am »
Alright boys I'll bait him with some chocolate chocodiles and when his head pops out we will grab him, drag him clear of his hiding spot, Spread peanut butter all over him and let the Targs go after him. Then when he is tender we will flame him like no lizard has been flamed before ( I hear Dizzy makes excellent Bar-B-Que Lizard )

Ok now that we have that taken care of... What are Kestrels and why was this reason to cook Unca Scippy
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by TheMaverick »

Marcus Smythe

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2003, 03:29:07 am »
Short Version-

Kestrels are the Refitted Klingon hulls that Romulan Pilots like better than their own.  The advantages of the Hawk Hulls (greater resilience, cheaper cloaking cost, and ability to consolidate plasma strikes more easily) matter less in SFC than in SFB, and the advantages of the Kestrel Hulls (greater agility, requent use of Plasma-D, greater ease of 'over the shoulder' heavy plasma shots) matter more in SFC than in SFB.

I could go on for probably four pages why these things matter relatively more, or less, but the short version is that whilst IN SFB a Hawk is generally preferable to a KR, in SFC the KR will be more desirable to the Romulan Pilot.

I honestly feel that if the Romulan pilots are denied the option, theyll discover that the Hawk hulls dont stink nearly as badly as they thought.  The real value of the KRs was always in dealing with the 'Western Powers' (Kzin and Hydran, espc) whose drone and fighter loads a Hawk hull isnt designed to deal with.  During DOE, the closest thing to that will be the Federation Eastern Fleet, and If I Recall Correctly, the Eastern Fleet was NOT home of massive attrition units and mind-numbing droneage, so all really should be well.

That said, for the Feds, theres at LEAST one CVA.. .though it may be non-player-controlled, and it has a date with destiny over Remus, anyway.  

TheMaverick

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2003, 03:33:41 am »
Wow I gotta read in on the history of ST... All of that sounds like it would be an awesome read....

Cleaven

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2003, 06:14:42 am »
Anybody care to weigh in on why the WE's and KE's are good too?  

J'inn

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2003, 08:08:20 am »
<runs in with cooler and chaise lounge.   Unfolds lounge and plops down.  Pull out martini mixer, gin, and vermouth.   Pour crushed ice and gin in mixer.  Touches mixer to the bottle of never opened vermouth and says Presto Chango!   Hands mixer to Tracey G and yells Shake it Baby!!   Stares.  Ogles.  Drools.  (at the mixer you sickos!)  Pours a glass that's so cold the glass frosts over.   Pulls out opera glasses and relaxes.>

Ah, yes nothing quite like watching Herr Burt get roasted.   Looks like this will be a good day after all.

And Cleaven:   ROFLMAO!!!   Erm, you were being sarcastic right???   Please tell me you were.  If not, I'll be scared.  

KRolling

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2003, 08:12:13 am »
Quote:

<runs in with cooler and chaise lounge.   Unfolds lounge and plops down.  Pull out martini mixer, gin, and vermouth.   Pour crushed ice and gin in mixer.  Touches mixer to the bottle of never opened vermouth and says Presto Chango!   Hands mixer to Tracey G and yells Shake it Baby!!   Stares.  Ogles.  Drools.  (at the mixer you sickos!)  Pours a glass that's so cold the glass frosts over.   Pulls out opera glasses and relaxes.>

Ah, yes nothing quite like watching Herr Burt get roasted.   Looks like this will be a good day after all.

And Cleaven:   ROFLMAO!!!   Erm, you were being sarcastic right???   Please tell me you were.  If not, I'll be scared.  





<reads post carefully><reads it again>


J'inn? Are you and Kroma the same person??

And, if TraceyG is mixing the drink, then she would be the mixer.


<runs away>
<runs back>

Oh, interesting history on the ship...

<runs away>

Mog

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2003, 08:24:26 am »
Herr Butt, "refiited" Hawks and Eagles - care to elaborate as I'm not aware of any refits for the larger Hawks, please ?

J'inn, where's my chaise longue? And my big mug of tea? Not to mention complete lack of edible crumpet

jimmi7769

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2003, 08:39:39 am »
I guess I'm not so upset about running Fed for this campaign then....then again I haven't seen their ship choices yet.....Bruce anyone????

KBF-Dogmatix

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2003, 09:11:51 am »
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I guess I'm not so upset about running Fed for this campaign then....then again I haven't seen their ship choices yet.....Bruce anyone????  





You'll feel bad enough when your KBF brothers are wacking you out in their sub-standard WEs and KEs, petaQ!  


 

KBF-Dogmatix

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2003, 09:15:25 am »
Geez...a window of one game year to get my favorite (aside from the KCR) Romulan ship?  I guess we'll see about those Hawk hulls.  I've flown a few of them, but definitely prefer the KDR over anything Romulan up until the KCR is able to be had...heheh.


I hope the other sides' shiplist isn't anything to write home about, either.  






 

KBF-Dogmatix

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2003, 09:26:14 am »
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Anybody care to weigh in on why the WE's and KE's are good too?  





Do tell, Cleaven.


When's your battle clinic?



 

jimmi7769

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2003, 09:29:10 am »
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I guess I'm not so upset about running Fed for this campaign then....then again I haven't seen their ship choices yet.....Bruce anyone????  





You'll feel bad enough when your KBF brothers are wacking you out in their sub-standard WEs and KEs, petaQ!  


 




I'll be gald to give you a nice warm Photonic enema DogBoy!!!

Herr Burt

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2003, 09:39:18 am »
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Herr Butt, "refiited" Hawks and Eagles - care to elaborate as I'm not aware of any refits for the larger Hawks, please ?




I'm referring to things like the SPA+ instead of the SPA, and the WER instead of the WE.  And later, of course, the FHK instead of the FHA.  And there are a few "B" upgrades that supplant the "A" versions of the larger Hawk hulls.

The shiplist opens with the latest production, and as new models come out the older ones are removed. Usually there is one year where both older and newer versions of any hull are available at the same time.  (Except where the refit ocurred before the start of this game.)  I've done this for all three fleets.   In other words, I've cleaned out all the riff-raff.

Oh dear!  <ducks>  I've been spotted!  Back to the foam pit.

-Herr Burt the hider

Bob Graham

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2003, 09:46:21 am »
Phweeew!  Boy, am I glad that racial predudice kept me from trying out those Klink hulls while practicing for DOE.  Ive been sticking to the newer hulls, and I think I will appreciate it now.

Mog

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2003, 09:46:31 am »
OK so nothing I didn't actually know of then, hmm apart from B refits ? Klingonesque B refits or the B modules fitted?

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2003, 09:56:54 am »
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 The "mixer" is the polished metal flask in which a proper martini is shaken. NEVER stirred.    




Just another example of Romulan/Kzin war crimes. Bruising poor defenseless Gin. Oh the humanity!

LongTooth

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2003, 10:44:09 am »
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Herr Butt, "refiited" Hawks and Eagles - care to elaborate as I'm not aware of any refits for the larger Hawks, please ?




I'm referring to things like the SPA+ instead of the SPA, and the WER instead of the WE.  And later, of course, the FHK instead of the FHA.  And there are a few "B" upgrades that supplant the "A" versions of the larger Hawk hulls.

The shiplist opens with the latest production, and as new models come out the older ones are removed. Usually there is one year where both older and newer versions of any hull are available at the same time.  (Except where the refit ocurred before the start of this game.)  I've done this for all three fleets.   In other words, I've cleaned out all the riff-raff.

Oh dear!  <ducks>  I've been spotted!  Back to the foam pit.

-Herr Burt the hider  




When you say B upgrades you do meen b rack upgrades right

KRolling

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2003, 10:55:59 am »
I'm telling you, J'inn, you and Kroma are either the same person, or you are adopting his writing style!!

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2003, 11:20:28 am »
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I'm telling you, J'inn, you and Kroma are either the same person, or you are adopting his writing style!!  




Rumor has it J'inn was spotted at a local establishment that specializes in tutu's for the big and tall. Guess my style is rubbing off, much like a nasty case of the clap.

J'inn

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2003, 11:41:57 am »
NOW STOP THAT!!!

I got enough stress in my life right now without you weasels adding to it!!

And no Chuut, I have no idea where you could find a picture of a fat lizard wearing a white fur coat!!

Have I mentioned that I hate you all??  Tsk.  How remiss of me. I blame myself for slacking in my duties.

My fury will know no bounds once DOE starts up.  

DOE = Death Of Every Jinn Basher.   (yeah it's a streach but it's all I could come up with)




 

LongTooth

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2003, 11:52:17 am »
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NOW STOP THAT!!!

I got enough stress in my life right now without you weasels adding to it!!

And no Chuut, I have no idea where you could find a picture of a fat lizard wearing a white fur coat!!

Have I mentioned that I hate you all??  Tsk.  How remiss of me. I blame myself for slacking in my duties.

My fury will know no bounds once DOE starts up.  

DOE = Death Of Every Jinn Basher.   (yeah it's a streach but it's all I could come up with)




 



STREACH its only up for a few weeks youll never get us all by then

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2003, 11:57:56 am »
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And no Chuut, I have no idea where you could find a picture of a fat lizard wearing a white fur coat!!
 




How about a fat white cat in a tutu then?

DH123

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2003, 12:20:29 pm »
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I'm telling you, J'inn, you and Kroma are either the same person, . . .




Nope.  Kroma's a dangerous pilot . . .  

NuclearWessels

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2003, 12:22:29 pm »
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NOW STOP THAT!!!...
And no Chuut, I have no idea where you could find a picture of a fat lizard wearing a white fur coat!!
...
 




Would you settle for a busty lizard in a slip and a white coat?

http://www.toymania.com/columns/rtmisc/rglizardbustpics.shtml

Who knew how far Kroma's influence had spread?

dave
   

KRolling

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2003, 01:09:55 pm »
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I'm telling you, J'inn, you and Kroma are either the same person, . . .




Nope.  Kroma's a dangerous pilot . . .  





Maybe.... but I think he has a split personality.

Cleaven

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2003, 03:41:31 pm »
Looks like nobody has any kind words (or words of any kind?)  for the WER's and KE's. Maybe if they were cheaper to cloak they would have some popularity. Otherwise travel in numbers. Perhaps there should be no rank requirements to run a WE fleet.  

Maxillius

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2003, 03:52:27 pm »
Hopefully he's axed the WB+...  and I actually *like* the King Eagle.

KBF-Dogmatix

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2003, 04:39:54 pm »
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When you say B upgrades you do meen b rack upgrades right  






God, I hope so!


 

KBF-Dogmatix

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2003, 04:40:38 pm »
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I guess I'm not so upset about running Fed for this campaign then....then again I haven't seen their ship choices yet.....Bruce anyone????  





You'll feel bad enough when your KBF brothers are wacking you out in their sub-standard WEs and KEs, petaQ!  


 




I'll be gald to give you a nice warm Photonic enema DogBoy!!!  





WAKE UP, MACE!  Time to die!


 

Pardek

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2003, 06:14:14 pm »
  no Klingon hulls huh,well as long as you left the SNA in there im happy.



 
 

Cmdr. Krotz

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2003, 07:14:18 pm »
Herr Burt-

It is certainly not my wish to chase you back into your asbestos-lined panic room; however, as a concerned Coalition member, I do have a couple issues lingering in my mind (I'm sure you've addressed them in your work already, just haven't had cause to mention anything about it   ):

1. Pricing- Kestrels make up the bulk of typical heavy cruiser priced hulls. The majority of the Heavy Hawks, with the notable exceptions of the SuperHawk and the RoyalHawk (based off the price of the SUA rather than the NHK for some reason), are priced in the low end of the BCH price ranges; I am uncertain as to how much of an issue that could really be in practical terms, but it may invite some consideration....

2. It is generally common knowledge that some comparatively "esoteric" variants can be quite popular among players of all sides. If Kestrels are being nixxed as being too limited in deployment, is it safe to assume we should not be seeing limited production vessels for Alliance forces outside of random AI encounters?

I sincerely apologize beforehand if anything combustible should be found in this post...  

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2003, 08:26:08 pm »
Someone tell Warlock to break out the marshmallows.

jimmi7769

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2003, 09:47:45 pm »
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I guess I'm not so upset about running Fed for this campaign then....then again I haven't seen their ship choices yet.....Bruce anyone????  





You'll feel bad enough when your KBF brothers are wacking you out in their sub-standard WEs and KEs, petaQ!  


 




I'll be gald to give you a nice warm Photonic enema DogBoy!!!  





WAKE UP, MACE!  Time to die!


 




Lighten up Leon.    

TheMaverick

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2003, 09:53:34 pm »
No no he's right your going down feddy =)

jimmi7769

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2003, 10:00:45 pm »
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No no he's right your going down feddy =)  




I think we've all had enough of your mouth you traitorous pig!!!
 

TheMaverick

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2003, 10:02:55 pm »
LMAO I figured that was coming lol... And I'll have you know that's Traitors pig CAT... bald pig cat

DH123

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2003, 10:44:57 pm »
Quote:

Looks like nobody has any kind words (or words of any kind?)  for the WER's and KE's. Maybe if they were cheaper to cloak they would have some popularity. Otherwise travel in numbers. Perhaps there should be no rank requirements to run a WE fleet.    




As much as it pains me to agree with Cleaven, maybe cloak costs should be lowered on all non-Kestral hulls for a test server.  Cloak is not as effective as it was in SFB so maybe it should only cost 75% as much power?  

Maxillius

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2003, 10:55:51 pm »
Quote:

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Looks like nobody has any kind words (or words of any kind?)  for the WER's and KE's. Maybe if they were cheaper to cloak they would have some popularity. Otherwise travel in numbers. Perhaps there should be no rank requirements to run a WE fleet.    




As much as it pains me to agree with Cleaven, maybe cloak costs should be lowered on all non-Kestral hulls for a test server.  Cloak is not as effective as it was in SFB so maybe it should only cost 75% as much power?  




Curious... how effective is the SFB cloak?

J'inn

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2003, 10:58:25 pm »
<gets up from lounge grumbling>

Well this BBQ certainly leaves something to be desired.

<gets out can of gasoline, and tosses into the pathetic excuse for a fire>

HEY!!!  Herr Burt.  You forgot to tell them that you made PFs for the Feds!   Two kinds!   The photon boats with 8 photons each. And the drone boats with one scatter pack, 6 type E drone racks, and a drone contrrol rating of 48.

Ah that shoud do it.  Nothing like a good BBQ.



 

DH123

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2003, 11:12:16 pm »
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Looks like nobody has any kind words (or words of any kind?)  for the WER's and KE's. Maybe if they were cheaper to cloak they would have some popularity. Otherwise travel in numbers. Perhaps there should be no rank requirements to run a WE fleet.    




As much as it pains me to agree with Cleaven, maybe cloak costs should be lowered on all non-Kestral hulls for a test server.  Cloak is not as effective as it was in SFB so maybe it should only cost 75% as much power?  




Curious... how effective is the SFB cloak?  




SFC doesn't use the damage reduction chart from SFB and seeking weapons keep lockon WAY better in SFC.  Damage Reduction simple meant that all weapons did less damage to a cloaked ship.  

Bob Graham

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2003, 11:49:04 pm »
Quote:

<gets up from lounge grumbling>

Well this BBQ certainly leaves something to be desired.

<gets out can of gasoline, and tosses into the pathetic excuse for a fire>

HEY!!!  Herr Burt.  You forgot to tell them that you made PFs for the Feds!   Two kinds!   The photon boats with 8 photons each. And the drone boats with one scatter pack, 6 type E drone racks, and a drone contrrol rating of 48.

Ah that shoud do it.  Nothing like a good BBQ.






I would like to take this opportunity to defect to the Federation.  

TheMaverick

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2003, 12:37:59 am »
Quote:

<gets up from lounge grumbling>

Well this BBQ certainly leaves something to be desired.

<gets out can of gasoline, and tosses into the pathetic excuse for a fire>

HEY!!!  Herr Burt.  You forgot to tell them that you made PFs for the Feds!   Two kinds!   The photon boats with 8 photons each. And the drone boats with one scatter pack, 6 type E drone racks, and a drone contrrol rating of 48.

Ah that shoud do it.  Nothing like a good BBQ.



 




Well thank you J'inn the BBQ was lacking something I am sure this will spice things up... Oh and would you be so kind as to lure Fluf and Mat down here and then take away their Nip/Donuts... I mean it couldn't get any better than releasing these two Kzin on everyone after they find out they have been robbed of their Nip and Donuts

Cleaven

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2003, 01:58:12 am »
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Looks like nobody has any kind words (or words of any kind?)  for the WER's and KE's. Maybe if they were cheaper to cloak they would have some popularity. Otherwise travel in numbers. Perhaps there should be no rank requirements to run a WE fleet.    




As much as it pains me to agree with Cleaven, maybe cloak costs should be lowered on all non-Kestral hulls for a test server.  Cloak is not as effective as it was in SFB so maybe it should only cost 75% as much power?  




Curious... how effective is the SFB cloak?  




SFC doesn't use the damage reduction chart from SFB and seeking weapons keep lockon WAY better in SFC.  Damage Reduction simple meant that all weapons did less damage to a cloaked ship.  




Just don't take any notice of Hooch if he tries to tell you about SFB cloaking.
 

FPF_TraceyG

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2003, 03:19:55 am »
TraceyG notices that J'inn has run out of ginn again... and out of nowhere appears another unopened bottle from the esky she's sits atop of beside J'inn.

"This fire isnt looking too good, KAT!" remarks TraceyG.

Refilling his glass, J'inn ponders upon what might spice things up a little. Hmmm, the Fed PF's trick didn't work, the tin of gasoline is almost empty, but the thread is yet young.
He thinks to himself, "Well, self, if something doesnt happen soon... this gin will put me to sleep... any ideas TraceyG?"

J'inn reclines back in his chair, and closes his eyes, waiting.

He is startled when all of a sudden he hears music being played from his old tapedeck he hasn't seen in years, its playing an ancient melody with slow trumpets and raunchy trombone tones.
"I think I might have an idea" whispers TraceyG seductively.

J'inn sits up to hear the sound of zipper being unzipped and looks up to see TraceyG atop the esky, and almost drops the ginn glass when her jacket is hurled at him! A few little twists and turns later, J'inn yells, "Yeah baby!!" and doesnt bother to duck when the skirt lands on his head. TraceyG turns around and slowly begins to unfasten the bra clip, when J'inn sniffs the air and smells something burning...

He wakes up with a start to see his feet have caught on fire! "Agggggggh!"

"I was wondering when you'd notice..." TraceyG says, right before a very large bucket of cold water lands all over the beleagured KAT!! J'inn cries again, "Agggggggggh!"

"What happened to the music... and everything... " his voice trailed off to a whimper, "and my glass is empty... and now I'm cold too!"

"You're wet as well."

"I was dreaming again, wasnt I?"

TraceyG refills the shivering KAT's glass of gin, and says, "You don't really want me to answer that, do you??"

Cleaven

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2003, 03:44:08 am »
Pssst. They don't know what an esky is. And if you explain it you will most likely cause offense to a part of the native American commumity. Also don't explain what you do with stubbies, a blue singlet and a pair of thongs. They will not understand, just like Monty Python and Kevin Bloody Wilson.  

LongTooth

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2003, 05:39:45 am »
Bah jinn your not doing it right
Lets try this
Feds only get 1 F-CVA in the campain AND jinn is the only one who gets to fly it  

Herr Burt

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2003, 07:55:49 am »
Quote:

<gets up from lounge grumbling>

Well this BBQ certainly leaves something to be desired.

<gets out can of gasoline, and tosses into the pathetic excuse for a fire>

HEY!!!  Herr Burt.  




Yes, the flames appear low, but I have high hopes for the future.  Just wait until I get to DOE Flame Thread #7:  How I screwed the Gorn.  Nothing spells controversy like family betrayal!   <snicker>  And then of course, there is the G-rack thread.  <guffaw>

Hey!!! Cut that out!!!!! So far I'm joking.


QUESTIONS:
1)  About the CA cost thing:  I hate to sound coy, but trust me.  This is something I've thought about.  Remember that it's really multipliers, not BPV, that determines true cost.  I've redesignated a lot of hulls so that frequency and cost mean I don't need CnC rules (ie. I've taken the rules server-side instead of player-side) and I think everyone does just fine as a result.

2) CnC rules for Eagles:  See above.  There are no rank requirements.  If you can buy it, you can fly it.

Fo to http://www.fourpower.com and look at the rules section.  The rules for Day of the Eagle should be nearly identical.  (And this time I won't have the Hydran mission matching problems; not that that was the problem of the Hydrans, just the fighter accounting and the gaps in the shiplists.)

-Herr Burt

KRolling

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2003, 08:09:33 am »
<runs in with flame thrower> WOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!
<looks at handy work..... runs away>

FPF_TraceyG

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2003, 08:17:18 am »
Quote:

<runs in with flame thrower> WOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!
<looks at handy work..... runs away>  




<looks at J'inn sitting in his chair with a rabbit caught in headlights look on his face, white fur singed black and smouldering, trails of smoke rising up>

SOS_Meridius

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2003, 08:52:37 am »
ROFLMAO!!!!

I'm so glad we came to this forum.  I love reading this J'inn guy's posts!!!  

Matsukasi

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2003, 09:22:41 am »
Quote:


Well thank you J'inn the BBQ was lacking something I am sure this will spice things up... Oh and would you be so kind as to lure Fluf and Mat down here and then take away their Nip/Donuts... I mean it couldn't get any better than releasing these two Kzin on everyone after they find out they have been robbed of their Nip and Donuts  




The Kzinti Hegemony formally announces that a State of War now exists between the renegade Kzin ( well, more like a wannabe Kzin than anything else, truth be told ) Maverick and our Glorious Armada. For crimes perpetrated upon the innocent confections and recreational pharmaceuticals of the Hegemony, our Patriarch declares that the Great Hunt punishment will henceforth be reinstituted. Former restrictions on consuming the target before verification of capture are lifted.

That is all.

On a more personal note, look in your closet, Mav.......

 

Mog

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2003, 09:28:16 am »
Quote:

ROFLMAO!!!!

I'm so glad we came to this forum.  I love reading this J'inn guy's posts!!!  




Me too

Bob Graham

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2003, 09:31:29 am »
Quote:

Some observations from the bottom of the martini glass:

1.   Have you ever notcied Feds can't shoot straight?  KR and Tracey:  It's Herr Burt that we are roasting.  Not me, Mr. Innocent.   Point the flame thrower over there!!!  <sigh>

2.  Have you ever noticed how bravely Cleaven attempts to carry on a perfectly sane discuission even when things dissolve into utter stupidity?  You ever watch "One Flew Over the Cookoos Nest??"   Cleaven would be our star.   The one sane person standing in a room full of lunitics.  I imagine he gets frustrated.

3.  Have you ever noticed how people from around the world think they are actually more perverted than us good old USAers??  Give it up folks!   No one!! And I mean no one out depraves us!!   We got Jerry Springer.   We got reality TV!   We got the WWF!  We go the Jacksons!  Heck we even have brew thrus!   And lets not forget FOX <shudder>  GIve it up.   (Although I am now dying to know what an esky and that other thing Cleaven was talking about is).   I'm soo <sniff> proud to be an American.   Although,  Austrialia did give us The Wiggles.  Shhesh and we bitch about Sadam's weapons of mass destruction.   We should carpet bomb Oz  for that assault on our senses!   Of course they had Inxs and AC/DC so perhaps just some sanctions and the export of Barney would suffice.  Wait a minute!!  Aiin't the guy that owns FOX an Aussie!!???   Back to bombing!!!

4.  Have you ever noticed that my posts are more rambling and a complete waste of bandwidth in the AM??  Hey, I walk in to the office to be informed that some of Cheif Mooses boys would like to talk to me again.  (yes I live in THAT county)  I have several angry clients!!! (many of whom are convicted felons who really enjoy their guns).  AND  (I swear it's true) one of my clients sent me several glossy pics of her breasts for reasons I can't go into but just let me say that I will not be eating lunch today.  My stomach is churning.  I got two hours sleep.  I'm crabby.  I forgot the Metamucil last night!  And my grip on sanity is hanging by an ohhh sooo thin thread.  Soooo.  This is therapy for me.  It's either this or I shave my head and end up on the evening news.  <sits back and awaits notice from the FCC>

 




Point 1:  That comes from being use to compesating for Photons.  Dont worry bout it.

Point 2:  No comment.  LOL.

Point 3:  They eat Vegimite.  We aint got sh*t on them!

Point 4:  Metamusal!  My god man, just eat some fresh fruits and veggys man, for real! Ugggg.

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2003, 09:40:39 am »
Quote:

Although, Austrialia did give us The Wiggles




The horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Just did 6 months of non-stop Wiggles watching cause my 1 1/2 year old daughter loves them. Every morning before work on Disney and then every night in the VCR. Finally she has grown tired of them, so it's on to the Teletubbies.  

LongTooth

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2003, 11:13:45 am »
Quote:

Some observations from the bottom of the martini glass:

1.   Have you ever notcied Feds can't shoot straight?  KR and Tracey:  It's Herr Burt that we are roasting.  Not me, Mr. Innocent.   Point the flame thrower over there!!!  <sigh>

 



Jinn jinn jinn your still not doing it right ok here let me show you
They are not missing due to being fed its down to the fact their both ........

Oh just one more thing try not to use the word innocent your posts just dont sound right(snicker)

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2003, 11:18:49 am »
Quote:

Pssst. They don't know what an esky is. And if you explain it you will most likely cause offense to a part of the native American commumity. Also don't explain what you do with stubbies, a blue singlet and a pair of thongs. They will not understand, just like Monty Python and Kevin Bloody Wilson.  




Esky - Australian for cooler.  

http://www.australianbeers.com/culture/esky.htm
http://www.nylex.com.au/esky/history.htm

or

esky : A user-space checkpointing system. esky is an implementation
of job freezing (checkpoint/resume) for Unix processes.

Although I doubt that is what you meant.

 

Cmdr. Krotz

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2003, 11:28:07 am »
Quote:

Quote:

<gets up from lounge grumbling>

Well this BBQ certainly leaves something to be desired.

<gets out can of gasoline, and tosses into the pathetic excuse for a fire>

HEY!!!  Herr Burt.  




Yes, the flames appear low, but I have high hopes for the future.  Just wait until I get to DOE Flame Thread #7:  How I screwed the Gorn.  Nothing spells controversy like family betrayal!   <snicker>  And then of course, there is the G-rack thread.  <guffaw>

Hey!!! Cut that out!!!!! So far I'm joking.


QUESTIONS:
1)  About the CA cost thing:  I hate to sound coy, but trust me.  This is something I've thought about.  Remember that it's really multipliers, not BPV, that determines true cost.  I've redesignated a lot of hulls so that frequency and cost mean I don't need CnC rules (ie. I've taken the rules server-side instead of player-side) and I think everyone does just fine as a result.

2) CnC rules for Eagles:  See above.  There are no rank requirements.  If you can buy it, you can fly it.

Fo to http://www.fourpower.com and look at the rules section.  The rules for Day of the Eagle should be nearly identical.  (And this time I won't have the Hydran mission matching problems; not that that was the problem of the Hydrans, just the fighter accounting and the gaps in the shiplists.)

-Herr Burt  




Sounds good.   Thanks!  

NuclearWessels

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2003, 11:53:53 am »
Quote:

Some observations from the bottom of the martini glass:

...

4.  Have you ever noticed that my posts are more rambling and a complete waste of bandwidth in the AM??  Hey, I walk in to the office to be informed that some of Cheif Mooses boys would like to talk to me again.  (yes I live in THAT county)  I have several angry clients!!! (many of whom are convicted felons who really enjoy their guns).  AND  (I swear it's true) one of my clients sent me several glossy pics of her breasts for reasons I can't go into but just let me say that I will not be eating lunch today.  My stomach is churning.  I got two hours sleep.  I'm crabby.  I forgot the Metamucil last night!  And my grip on sanity is hanging by an ohhh sooo thin thread.  Soooo.  This is therapy for me.  It's either this or I shave my head and end up on the evening news.  <sits back and awaits notice from the FCC>



EDIT:  Reads post. Note complete lack of typing skills or English skills.   Briefly wonders how he ever graduated from anything.  Considers editing it to correct boo boos.  Figures no one gives a damn how poor the grammer is anyways. Goes back to drinking.


 




Geez, sorry to hear about your gramma J'inn.  I didn't realize she was so poor!  Why don't you just send her some ofyour money?  Hmmmm ... wait ... unless she's the client with the glossies
<ugh! abandons train of thought one stop too late>

BTW - I don't think we need to punish Oz ... little Johnny Howard does that already
("Stand up Mr. Howard!" ... "I AM!").

Dunno what you mean about rambling pointless posts in the mornings though.  Mornings are always a picture of focus (hmmmm) ... why I'm sure I'm diligently preparing for my lecture at this very moment!  Oh wait ... maybe I should submit this and see if there's anything else to read.  Nah, in a minute.  SO anyway, what was I talking about?  Oh yeah! Focus!  focus ... what was it about focus ... Oh yeah!  Why does this keep coming back to J'inn's gramma's glossies?

... trails off into the distance, muttering incoherently whilst stabbing at eyes ...
   

KOTH-Steel Claw

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #60 on: March 11, 2003, 11:57:10 am »
 
Quote:

 Finally she has grown tired of them, so it's on to the Teletubbies.




Egads! Now she will know what you really do for a living!

TheMaverick

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #61 on: March 11, 2003, 02:19:05 pm »
Quote:

Quote:


Well thank you J'inn the BBQ was lacking something I am sure this will spice things up... Oh and would you be so kind as to lure Fluf and Mat down here and then take away their Nip/Donuts... I mean it couldn't get any better than releasing these two Kzin on everyone after they find out they have been robbed of their Nip and Donuts  




The Kzinti Hegemony formally announces that a State of War now exists between the renegade Kzin ( well, more like a wannabe Kzin than anything else, truth be told ) Maverick and our Glorious Armada. For crimes perpetrated upon the innocent confections and recreational pharmaceuticals of the Hegemony, our Patriarch declares that the Great Hunt punishment will henceforth be reinstituted. Former restrictions on consuming the target before verification of capture are lifted.

That is all.

On a more personal note, look in your closet, Mav.......

   




Uh oh... *Runs out of house terrified*

Wannabe Kzin huh? One day I will get around to acually flying Mirak on a server I promise. It's on my To-Do list.

*continues running from house.. see's donut shop* *plots a rather devious ambush*

lalalala............

KBF-Dogmatix

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2003, 05:00:01 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

Although, Austrialia did give us The Wiggles




The horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Just did 6 months of non-stop Wiggles watching cause my 1 1/2 year old daughter loves them. Every morning before work on Disney and then every night in the VCR. Finally she has grown tired of them, so it's on to the Teletubbies.  





ACK!  I can't stand The Wiggles.  My daughter Jessica likes them too...oog.


I like a lot of the stuff we put on for her (things like Rollie Pollie Ollie and Kim Possible), but the Wiggles make me wanna wretch.  Now there's a group of pooftas, right there...heheheh.



 

Pharoah

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #63 on: March 11, 2003, 05:17:24 pm »
Yeah, the Wiggles aren't much fun. But there is far worse....

Barney. GAAAAHHHHH!!!!! The Dinosaur of Love cometh!! Run! Run!

and

Teletubbies. Those things get me very very nervous. They are the embodiment of evil I tell ya!

I prefere the Baby Einsteins. At least they're quiet

J'inn

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2003, 05:29:52 pm »
To all of you daddys out there.  Yes you of the red eyes, lack of sleep, and nasal passages burnt out from smells far too horrible to contemplate.  Those who heed the call of "Daddy I had an accident.  Daddy are we there yet?  Daddy the sun is up wake up and play!!"   I just say one thing . . .


<snicker>


*runs away*
 

Remiak

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #65 on: March 11, 2003, 07:11:02 pm »
Hi,
No flames yet....how disapointed you must be.

OK, removing the Kestrels removes about half the ships we like to play.....now we are down to about 4. (lost KDP, KDR, KRC/KRCS and KCR)
OK, removing the Kestrels removes about half our carriers...now we are down to about 3. On FF(SKC), a CL (SPE) and a mighty CH.
OK, removing the Kestrels removes about half the plasma Ds...now we are down to hummm none in the fleet (I don't do math on my free time).
Ok, removing the Kestrels removes some of our competitive power...now we are down to about  the Fed/Gorn level  

Feel better now, I hope this qualify as a flame. See we do care.....
Now that the flamming is done with....when do we start DOE?

     

Cleaven

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2003, 07:24:09 pm »
Remiak, there will be no PF tenders for this Op. They won't be out until this is over so don't think about CH's, SPE's, KDP's and KRP's. There will be other carriers for fighters though (Condor carrier??). The only thing you should be worried about is no Plas D, which should be survivable I hope.      
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by Cleaven »

BM-Kor

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2003, 07:28:02 pm »
Quote:

Yeah, the Wiggles aren't much fun. But there is far worse....

Barney. GAAAAHHHHH!!!!! The Dinosaur of Love cometh!! Run! Run!





We had the wonderful Barney visit my city (who am I kidding, it's a town really) recently.  He called in to one of our local radio stations to do an interview with the morning hosts..  Anyway, after the interview, he showed just how much the guy playing Barney is NOT like Barney.  He was swearing up a storm, ragging on his staff, my city ... err, town ...  Really good stuff.

I'd post the link to a sound file of it, but both the site it's located on, and the file itself, are a little profane in content.  Not sure how much trouble I'd get in, so I won't post it.  Definitely a hoot to listen to though.  

Herr Burt

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2003, 07:37:13 pm »
Quote:

Hi,
No flames yet....how disapointed you must be.

OK, removing the Kestrels removes about half our carriers...now we are down to about 3. On FF(SKC), a CL (SPE) and a mighty CH.

       




Nope, sorry, those three are gone. Or rather, not even invented yet.   What, you didn't think I was actually going to leave you with anything to fight my Gorn, did you??!!  

On the other hand, be on the lookout for the brand, spanking-new carriers from SFB:

SEB
SKB
SPB(+)
WH
SUA (no, I mean the real one)
SUB (be afraid.....)
NHB
VLV
and......(wait for it)
CNV

If the escorts don't give enough Plas-D to fit your needs, you can always tow a drogue.

Happy warmongering, pointy-ears. Thy carrier awaits.  

-Herr Burt
   

Maxillius

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2003, 07:41:15 pm »
And how, might I ask oh-server-god, will we recognize this drogue in the shipyard?  Will it be labeled as such, or will we have to convert one out of a standard shuttle? (I've made my decision, I can't wait to toast feddies in my KE )

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2003, 10:44:28 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Although, Austrialia did give us The Wiggles




The horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Just did 6 months of non-stop Wiggles watching cause my 1 1/2 year old daughter loves them. Every morning before work on Disney and then every night in the VCR. Finally she has grown tired of them, so it's on to the Teletubbies.  





ACK!  I can't stand The Wiggles.  My daughter Jessica likes them too...oog.


I like a lot of the stuff we put on for her (things like Rollie Pollie Ollie and Kim Possible), but the Wiggles make me wanna wretch.  Now there's a group of pooftas, right there...heheheh.



 




Pollie, Kim, Courage are all cool, but Barney has never been allowed in the house. I can stomach the tubbies, but something about Barney makes me crazy.

Ironic considering I've always felt Kroma was 1 part Barney, 2 parts Hannibal Lector with just a pinch of Tinker Bell.

KATChuutRitt

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2003, 01:12:00 am »
That tutu gets any tighter and Tinkerbell will be pinched to death    

FPF_TraceyG

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2003, 01:14:26 am »
Quote:

That tutu gets any tighter and Tinkerbell will be pinched to death    




You really must take bettercare of your angels... Chuut. Can't have them running around in clothes too small for them, now, can we?

KATChuutRitt

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2003, 01:16:35 am »
Don't worry Tracey, I added an exta 1/8" to your new Thong    

But didn't want to make the top any bigger,it's now  nice and tight where G'warlock can't grab it so easily next time    
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by KATChuutRitt »

FPF_TraceyG

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2003, 01:23:36 am »
Quote:

Don't worry Tracey, I added an exta 1/8" to your new Thong    

But didn't want to make the top any bigger,it's now  nice and tight where G'warlock can't grab it so easily next time    




That's so very thoughtful of you... it's double the size it was! <puts on dumb blonde look> Oh yeah, hadn't thought about the top that way... you're so clever!

KRolling

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Re: DOE Flame thread #1: Kestrels
« Reply #75 on: March 12, 2003, 07:38:40 am »
hahahahahahahaahah!!!!