Topic: Canadian Military ? (or any other army ,maybe I'd guess)

[el-Karnak]

Actually the oil boom's effect was getting us out of debt 2 years earlier than predicted. Nice to have but the result was inevitable anyway.
Heh, sensing a little eastern jealousy here. What do you care about King Ralph anyway? Guy lowered my taxes and gave me a cheque for 400 to boot, works for me.
As for him being a drunk... well I guess you should despise Churchill too, amoungst others.
You just stick with your tea totalling debt ridden turf if that makes you feel superior... don't matter to us Albertans.

Ever hear of the old WW2 saying about 3 world leaders?

One drank and smoked cigars a lot, one was a chain smoker, and one absolutely abhorred smokes and liquor.   

I will take the leaders that drink and smoke a lot.

[Green]

FOCUS PEOPLE, FOCUS!!!

Life in the Canadian Defes...uh....Defence Force!

[likkerpig]

FOCUS PEOPLE, FOCUS!!!

Life in the Canadian Defes...uh....Defence Force!

Ain't a real thread unless it branches a few times dammit!

[drb]

Hoi Hexx,

  Just wanted to point out that not all Naval trades are "hard sea trades." The Navy actually has to fill many tasks on land. On solid ground structures consisting of walls, containing many rooms, and full of all sorts of stuff, that the Navy call "Stone Ships," sailors trained in a number of useful skills can live a very good life just by working in them. One such stone ship in Halifax, the Admiral Hose building, is the location of the Reserve unit HMCS Scotian. IIRC they do recruiting on site.

  IMHO if you really want to do stuff there are few employers that have more resources than the Canadian Forces, if you have talent you will not find greater support in developing that talent than the CF; be it sport, academics, anything, you will get encouragement.

 Do keep in mind that although the perks are great, the job that may need to be done could very well make retail a wonderland of joy and bliss.

Bottom line is that even the weekend sailor gets 80% dental coverage, of late the CF has improved its pay for all ranks, so it is not so bad, and sea and air elements are acquiring much needed hardware, making many new positions to fill. 

 As far as daily life goes, it is as it is with whatever you do, it can be as good or bad as you choose for it to be; or, it is not so much what you do but how well you choose to do it.

Take care,

drb

[ShadowLord]

Hexx -- I can't believe your actually interested in this -- but if ya are --

I know two guys to put ya in touch with -

PGC_Beaver just got out of the full time navy about 18? months ago and now does recruiting for it. He lives with another guy who used to fly Sea Kings for the navy... then there is Howie? still active duty.

If you actually want to discuss the current situation with them-- I can give ya names/emails or even Beavers phone number.

ShadowLord


BTW -- here is a clip you may want to watch first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaC-w2dIxZc&search=Canada%20Afghanistan%20Canadian%20Forces%20Army%20CF%20Firefight%20Taliban

 

[Hexx]

Ahh should have thought to check Youtube 

Thaks Duck, really don't think I'll have a problem shooting at people.
As long as they don't shoot back of course. (kinda how I like this game to go actually..)

I'll probabl;y head down to the recruitment center this week for an actual visit, rather than just pestering them
(and some of you) with emails.
I think my biggest concern (after the whole getting shot thing) is just that someone who's my age who joined at 18 is going to
have like 12+ years in already. So I'll be joining with the youngins who'll more than likely be kicking my ass all over the place.
Oh well. probably a bonus to be my height. Can always hide behind the tall guys.

[Laflin]

I turned 38 when I was in Iraq, Youngster, and I served with guys there that were in Vietnam .

[Father Ted]

If you're interested in becoming an air traffic controller, you may want to check out the RCAF. I know USAF and USN both have that slot, and they pay you to go to school. Just know that aside from infantry, police, and emergency services, it's one of the most stressful jobs out there.

[ShadowLord]

Hexx

Got to say the civilian ATC  get paid a lot better -- my brother and brother in law both work up at Pearson.
Not to mention they get mandatory breaks every hour due to stress of the job..he works his hour then goes to nap on a Lazyboy..wakes up and works the next hour etc etc .. i

Duck

(why the hell didn't I try to get a job there...)

[Age]

If you're interested in becoming an air traffic controller, you may want to check out the RCAF. I know USAF and USN both have that slot, and they pay you to go to school. Just know that aside from infantry, police, and emergency services, it's one of the most stressful jobs out there.

There is no RCAF anymore Trudeau killed it as well as the RCN and our last remaining Aircraft Carrier.Shouldn't this be in Ten Foward though?They are now just called the Canadian Air force and Canadian Navy and it has always been Canadian Army much like the Britsh being called the British Army.

[Age]

Didn't like Alberta much (though it was better than Manitoba..ick)
I likve Vancouver, dunno if I'd want to live  there though. (Isn't it like pricey?)

Ugh plus the Canucks.. I'm not even sure the Sens are visiting there this year..

It depends on where you live as to the high standards in Alberta that is not something Ralph Klien did it was what Brian Mulroney promised Peter Lougheed then Premier of Alberta by getting rid of the Natioanal Energy Program another great idea from Trudeau.

[Hexx]

Hexx

Got to say the civilian ATC  get paid a lot better -- my brother and brother in law both work up at Pearson.
Not to mention they get mandatory breaks every hour due to stress of the job..he works his hour then goes to nap on a Lazyboy..wakes up and works the next hour etc etc .. i

Duck

(why the hell didn't I try to get a job there...)

I was actually thinking about this, better salary, pretty much the same benefits (I believe NavCan is a Crown Corporation ) and somewhat less possibility of someone being mean and shooting at me.
Problem is (as I see it) you pay for teh test,pass, pay for the training and aren't really guaranteed of getting in.
Now (apparently) in the armed forces I can take the same courses , become an aerospace controller (or something like that) and if I like it transferout at some later date. with experience. If I don't like it I can request a transfer to some other specialty.

From the very limited amount I asked, I'm assuming that I can change specialties a number of times (as long as the miltary needs the new specialty  of course) So I could be like a Nav controller, then infantry, then a navy diver, then an intelligence officer, then a general, then a tank driver. etc.
I'm wondering if there's a "normal" way to as the recruiter what the record is for one person having worked the most different jobs in the military. I could be famous!

[ShadowLord]

Re : ATC civilian

Not sure if its NavCan or GTAA -- who runs it -- however I do know either way its no longer a gov't job, about 5ish? years ago went private.

My bro had to work his first 3-5 years up north in the Sue -- Dfly lives 1/2 way there from TO i think..
I used to go up with about 5 of his buddies for yank thanksgiving -- we play fooseball-- cross the boarder for cheap booze at the bar -- hit the casino on the reserve -- Used to be a good old time.

" ROFL oh yea i recall the govt back then paid for every LB of stuff he moved up....and back"

[Father Ted]

Hexx

Got to say the civilian ATC  get paid a lot better -- my brother and brother in law both work up at Pearson.
Not to mention they get mandatory breaks every hour due to stress of the job..he works his hour then goes to nap on a Lazyboy..wakes up and works the next hour etc etc .. i

Duck

(why the hell didn't I try to get a job there...)

I was actually thinking about this, better salary, pretty much the same benefits (I believe NavCan is a Crown Corporation ) and somewhat less possibility of someone being mean and shooting at me.
Problem is (as I see it) you pay for teh test,pass, pay for the training and aren't really guaranteed of getting in.
Now (apparently) in the armed forces I can take the same courses , become an aerospace controller (or something like that) and if I like it transferout at some later date. with experience. If I don't like it I can request a transfer to some other specialty.

From the very limited amount I asked, I'm assuming that I can change specialties a number of times (as long as the miltary needs the new specialty  of course) So I could be like a Nav controller, then infantry, then a navy diver, then an intelligence officer, then a general, then a tank driver. etc.
I'm wondering if there's a "normal" way to as the recruiter what the record is for one person having worked the most different jobs in the military. I could be famous!

SUCKER!!!! Whatever the recruiter told you, get in writing, on the contract, before you sign up for anything. And have an alternate that you WANT should they suddenly not have any slots available for ATC. Otherwise, you will end up shoveling caribou s*it in the Yukon.

[Dfly]

Re : ATC civilian

Not sure if its NavCan or GTAA -- who runs it -- however I do know either way its no longer a gov't job, about 5ish? years ago went private.

My bro had to work his first 3-5 years up north in the Sue -- Dfly lives 1/2 way there from TO i think..
I used to go up with about 5 of his buddies for yank thanksgiving -- we play fooseball-- cross the boarder for cheap booze at the bar -- hit the casino on the reserve -- Used to be a good old time.

" ROFL oh yea i recall the govt back then paid for every LB of stuff he moved up....and back"

That Sue you mentioned, is Soo(short for Sault-St-Marie)  I live roughly 2 1/2 hours from that city, and a good 6 hours from TO.  Also, my sister-in-law works for NavCan, in Cornwall.  It did go private a few years back, but you could not ask for much better training for Aircraft Controllers.

News flash Duck, Casino in Ontario, no longer do you need the headaches of crossing the border in today's conditions.  And I always do well at it, now if only I can get the wife to stop losing more than I win while I am there, all would be well within the world. 

[drb]

Hoi Hexx,

From the very limited amount I asked, I'm assuming that I can change specialties a number of times (as long as the military needs the new specialty  of course) So I could be like a Navy controller, then infantry, then a navy diver, then an intelligence officer, then a general, then a tank driver. etc.

I'm wondering if there's a "normal" way to as the recruiter what the record is for one person having worked the most different jobs in the military. I could be famous!

 Not sure about the commissioned officer restrictions, but in the ranks of the CF they will allow you to change trades up to Master Seaman (Navy) Master Corporal (Army/Air Force); Once you achieve that rank they have invested so much into your training that they expect you to do that job and continue advancing in that direction. It doesn't take long though, once you are in, to learn about other trades, at least enough to make an educated choice well before the cut off, indeed maybe even before your first promotion. Changing "elements" (Navy to Army to Air Force or whatever combination) would be counter productive to your career, as you would be starting over, in some cases all over again needing at least a year, or longer, of courses to get up to speed in the new element where you can be employed in it. Now, there are many posting/units that have all elements working in them, again once you are in you will have a great deal of exposure to the wide spectrum of life in the CF.

 Other things that might intrest you are the many human resource exchange programmes with other armed forces we are allied with, as well as posting all around the world are available. You may choose, going part-time any ways, to always apply to the same type of posting at the same location, taking training when it is a good time to take a break from school, or another job, (and I have heard of some regular force folks do have other part-time or casual work or hobby jobs that they work around military requirements.)

 Take care

drb

[likkerpig]

From the very limited amount I asked, I'm assuming that I can change specialties a number of times (as long as the miltary needs the new specialty  of course) So I could be like a Nav controller, then infantry, then a navy diver, then an intelligence officer, then a general, then a tank driver. etc.
I'm wondering if there's a "normal" way to as the recruiter what the record is for one person having worked the most different jobs in the military. I could be famous!

If you are in a trade that they are short on people for (off the top of my head: combat arms <infantry, armored, artillery, combat engineer> as well as some support trades like mechanic, etc) they will not let you remuster to another trade, unless there are extenuating circumstances... IE: Infantryman who has blown out his knees would probably be allowed to remuster to another trade he tests competent for. The recruiter will blow smoke up your ass to get you in.
The most trades in one person I saw (discounting militia) was 3... infantry to radio operator to lineman.

[likkerpig]

Didn't like Alberta much (though it was better than Manitoba..ick)
I likve Vancouver, dunno if I'd want to live  there though. (Isn't it like pricey?)

Ugh plus the Canucks.. I'm not even sure the Sens are visiting there this year..

It depends on where you live as to the high standards in Alberta that is not something Ralph Klien did it was what Brian Mulroney promised Peter Lougheed then Premier of Alberta by getting rid of the Natioanal Energy Program another great idea from Trudeau.

Ummm... well you are correct getting rid of the NEP did help the economy here... brought back the oil companies, Lougheed put this province deep in the hole. King Ralph dug us out of it.

[TraumaTech]

Didn't like Alberta much (though it was better than Manitoba..ick)
I likve Vancouver, dunno if I'd want to live  there though. (Isn't it like pricey?)

Ugh plus the Canucks.. I'm not even sure the Sens are visiting there this year..

It depends on where you live as to the high standards in Alberta that is not something Ralph Klien did it was what Brian Mulroney promised Peter Lougheed then Premier of Alberta by getting rid of the Natioanal Energy Program another great idea from Trudeau.

Ummm... well you are correct getting rid of the NEP did help the economy here... brought back the oil companies, Lougheed put this province deep in the hole. King Ralph dug us out of it.

 ummmmm  the extraordinary events of the last couple years,coupled with unscrupulous gouging by oil speculators,dug alberta out of the hole....king ralph,just happen to be the jerk in office 

[likkerpig]

Didn't like Alberta much (though it was better than Manitoba..ick)
I likve Vancouver, dunno if I'd want to live  there though. (Isn't it like pricey?)

Ugh plus the Canucks.. I'm not even sure the Sens are visiting there this year..

It depends on where you live as to the high standards in Alberta that is not something Ralph Klien did it was what Brian Mulroney promised Peter Lougheed then Premier of Alberta by getting rid of the Natioanal Energy Program another great idea from Trudeau.

Ummm... well you are correct getting rid of the NEP did help the economy here... brought back the oil companies, Lougheed put this province deep in the hole. King Ralph dug us out of it.

 ummmmm  the extraordinary events of the last couple years,coupled with unscrupulous gouging by oil speculators,dug alberta out of the hole....king ralph,just happen to be the jerk in office 

Sigh... ok, I don't know why you have a fixation on Ralph... transference from some other issue?
The last couple years have been Ralph's worst, he has let the government run on autopilot and spending has gone nuts... not catastrophic with the petroleum revenues coming in, but when they crash...
Ralph's great deed was in the 90's, when he cut infrastructure spending to the bone. No more deficit budgets. Any surpluses went to debt reduction. Things were rough: health care, education, government services were all bare bones. But the majority of the population could see the light at the end of the tunnel and kept voting him in. As I said before, the oil boom accelerated this by 2 years.
B.C. is in the process of the same thing right now. The voters got sick of NDP socialism and deficit budgets.
Now if the rest of the country would get on board, that would be nice... but why bother when the have provinces provide a welfare state for the rest?
I've lived here for the better part of 19 years, I got a first hand view of what went on. Your uninformed comments on the cause of Alberta's success only highlight your willful ignorance.