Topic: Did you fly a line ship on SGO6??

[Lepton]

I'd like to have some sense of how many people flew line ships on SG6 as their main ship of choice.  I'd define a line ship as the standard variant of any FF, DD, CL, CM, CA, or CC, plus and R refits included.  No carriers, no tenders, no droner, no marine ships, no metal obviously.  My guess is very few and those that did were in CCs.

[FPF-DieHard]

Though I did get several kills in a "line" cruiser, most of my time was spent in a CF

[Lieutenant_Q]

A CC is my preferred ship of choice...I hate ships larger than BC class

[Hexx]

I did- but it's not really a fair question-
Kzin (for example, Klinks would be the same) would be foolish to spend most of their time in "line" ships
There are exception (D5L) -but for the most part they would be in the specialty.
whereas Lyrans (again for example) would spend most of the time in a DWLP/CWLP/CCH - all command ships.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

Yes I did, while flying Gorn.

As a kzin I spent almost no time doing so.

As a fed none, as a hydran none.

[Lepton]

I did- but it's not really a fair question-
Kzin (for example, Klinks would be the same) would be foolish to spend most of their time in "line" ships
There are exception (D5L) -but for the most part they would be in the specialty.
whereas Lyrans (again for example) would spend most of the time in a DWLP/CWLP/CCH - all command ships.

This is not a debate on the relative merits of doing so for what race.  I merely am seeking a count.

[Lepton]

I flew a CS+ often as a Fed, but spent most of my time as a Hydran in a CHA or a BAR and some in a HDW.

[Hexx]

I did- but it's not really a fair question-
Kzin (for example, Klinks would be the same) would be foolish to spend most of their time in "line" ships
There are exception (D5L) -but for the most part they would be in the specialty.
whereas Lyrans (again for example) would spend most of the time in a DWLP/CWLP/CCH - all command ships.

This is not a debate on the relative merits of doing so for what race.  I merely am seeking a count.

?? ANd I'm not trying to debate (well OK I am- but not in that way)
You want a count- count the number of players that flew a certain race.
If (for example) in your poll you have 10 Kzin and 10 Lyran you'll (likely) find that 10 people flew specialty and 10 flew line.
If you have 10 Klink, 10 Kzin and 10 Lyran you'll likely find that 20 flew specialty and 10 flew line.

If the poll accomplishes what you want, feel free to completely ignore me  - (most do anyway)
Just don't see the need to put your time and effort into something that may not tell you anything.

[Lieutenant_Q]

I flew the Fed CS+ breifly, but didn't care for it...I'll stick with the CC (+) it's power curve is more...familiar.

[Lepton]

I did- but it's not really a fair question-
Kzin (for example, Klinks would be the same) would be foolish to spend most of their time in "line" ships
There are exception (D5L) -but for the most part they would be in the specialty.
whereas Lyrans (again for example) would spend most of the time in a DWLP/CWLP/CCH - all command ships.

This is not a debate on the relative merits of doing so for what race.  I merely am seeking a count.

?? ANd I'm not trying to debate (well OK I am- but not in that way)
You want a count- count the number of players that flew a certain race.
If (for example) in your poll you have 10 Kzin and 10 Lyran you'll (likely) find that 10 people flew specialty and 10 flew line.
If you have 10 Klink, 10 Kzin and 10 Lyran you'll likely find that 20 flew specialty and 10 flew line.

If the poll accomplishes what you want, feel free to completely ignore me  - (most do anyway)
Just don't see the need to put your time and effort into something that may not tell you anything.

Thanks for the input.  If you'd like to help me promote the line ship idea, I am all for that as I believed you were in favor of it.  I'm just trying to get a baseline.  I understand your point.  Thank you for the information.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

I did- but it's not really a fair question-
Kzin (for example, Klinks would be the same) would be foolish to spend most of their time in "line" ships
There are exception (D5L) -but for the most part they would be in the specialty.
whereas Lyrans (again for example) would spend most of the time in a DWLP/CWLP/CCH - all command ships.

Fact is some races have much more viable "line ships" than others, and certain races have more advantage in flying "non-line" shipmthan others even if their "line-ships" are viable.

[762_XC]

H-CHC is my first choice post 2275, unless I am flying metal, or escorting metal which needs something else.

[KBF-Kurok]

I like flying line ships when at all possible they are fun and take some effort to fly corectly.I however flew more non line ships because of the need to do so.

[Soreyes]

I thought the DF was a Kzin Line Ship

[Capt Jeff]

When flying fed, I usually follow the progression of CC+, NCL, CLC, CB for the length of the campaign.  I did try a CS+, though I didn't like it for some reason.  I also flew a CF, and a NAL, and they weren't bad, just lack the crunch of four photons.  I flew a NCD for maybe three missions, but can't stand relying on drones to get the job done.  Kind of a one trick pony there.  X-era gave me the chance to fly a DDx, which I enjoyed.

ps.  Find me a Fed pilot that enjoys flying a F-FF or F-DD and I'll give you a cookie 

[el-Karnak]

When flying fed, I usually follow the progression of CC+, NCL, CLC, CB for the length of the campaign.  I did try a CS+, though I didn't like it for some reason.  I also flew a CF, and a NAL, and they weren't bad, just lack the crunch of four photons.  I flew a NCD for maybe three missions, but can't stand relying on drones to get the job done.  Kind of a one trick pony there.  X-era gave me the chance to fly a DDx, which I enjoyed.

When available, I like to fly the F-CF to phaser boat the plasma ships and droners. Can also use the F-CB to phaserboat by turning off some photon tubes.

[Capt Jeff]

When flying fed, I usually follow the progression of CC+, NCL, CLC, CB for the length of the campaign.  I did try a CS+, though I didn't like it for some reason.  I also flew a CF, and a NAL, and they weren't bad, just lack the crunch of four photons.  I flew a NCD for maybe three missions, but can't stand relying on drones to get the job done.  Kind of a one trick pony there.  X-era gave me the chance to fly a DDx, which I enjoyed.

When available, I like to fly the F-CF to phaser boat the plasma ships and droners. Can also use the F-CB to phaserboat by turning off some photon tubes.

Oh yes, the CF is a great phaser boat, but like you said, the CB is good as well, as is the CAI (Better Ph1 arcs)...

[FPF-DieHard]

When flying fed, I usually follow the progression of CC+, NCL, CLC, CB for the length of the campaign.  I did try a CS+, though I didn't like it for some reason.  I also flew a CF, and a NAL, and they weren't bad, just lack the crunch of four photons.  I flew a NCD for maybe three missions, but can't stand relying on drones to get the job done.  Kind of a one trick pony there.  X-era gave me the chance to fly a DDx, which I enjoyed.

When available, I like to fly the F-CF to phaser boat the plasma ships and droners. Can also use the F-CB to phaserboat by turning off some photon tubes.

Oh yes, the CF is a great phaser boat, but like you said, the CB is good as well, as is the CAI (Better Ph1 arcs)...

Not in 2v2 on these maps, F-CB is fine in 1v1 but kinda screwed in "cheese and chase."

ED's new proposal for "endless" maps might make "line" cruisers much more useful.

[Dizzy]

Oh yes, the CF is a great phaser boat, but like you said, the CB is good as well, as is the CAI (Better Ph1 arcs)...

SGO7CAIPWNSJOO4SUR!

[Capt Jeff]

Dizzy loves the CAI.

I hear he likes taking it into Mirak space and fighting multiple ship missions with it, testing his drone defense skills........

[Dizzy]

Yeah, and it's getting 4 Ph3's this time. 

[Hexx]

H-CHC is my first choice post 2275, unless I am flying metal, or escorting metal which needs something else.

Actually flying metal would be your first choice, escorting someone flying metal in the cheesiest most OTT ship alowed
would be your second.
Whining that Hydran ships don't have a big "launch fighters and instantly destroy all enemy ships" button would be your third.
CHC I'd think maybe at #4

[KBFLordKrueg]

Many Coalition pilots flew line ships, myself included. Not 100% of the time granted, but, with the Fleeting rules we were constantly rotating pilots around in different ships. Almost every combo included at least one line ship.
They will always have a use in a campaign, just as will specialty ships and Capitol ships.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Hell, one of my favorite ships is the Hydran Mohawk.

[Hexx]

Hell, one of my favorite ships is the Hydran Mohawk.

Really? Hey how neat.

One of mine is the Lyran BCV with 4 plasma D racks.
Unfortunately you-know-who won't ever put it in their lists.

Anti Lyran bastards.

[Dizzy]

Hell, one of my favorite ships is the Hydran Mohawk.

Really? Hey how neat.

One of mine is the Lyran BCV with 4 plasma D racks.
Unfortunately you-know-who won't ever put it in their lists.

Anti Lyran bastards.

Funniest post today!

[Dfly]

As a Lyran pilot the first week, the Fast cruiser.  As a Klingon pilot the second week, the Fast cruiser.  As a mixed pilot the 3rd week, whatever was needed, but mostly metal. 

It was the first server ever I used mainly Fast Cruisers.  I do beleive they should be in capital shiplists.  A line cruiser, used a couple, but only as necessary to wing heavy metal.

[KBF-Crim]

Specialty for the most part...tried about every ship in the klink list at one time or another...

[Alphageek]

I'm not sure if it's a line ship, but, when I could afford it, I flew a Mirak CCH.

[Lepton]

We've got 19 respondents and so far it's pretty much 50/50 split.  Surprising results so far.

[GDA-Agave]

I flew some line ships early in the server,but that was mostly because they were the best ship pre 2268.   After that, I spent most my time flying a BF until the good command variants like the MCC and CDD came out.   Only flew the CMF fast cruiser for a little while.   Once PFs came out, I jumped into my favorite heavy cheesy PF tender, the BCS, and flew the PF leader pack some too. (BPV 160, you got to be joking Dizzy, way over valued and easily killed)

Out of all the ships, I probably flew the Gorn MCC the most.

My favorite Gorn line ship, the CCH, just doesn't have enough power to keep up with the run and gun PvP matches.

[KAT Chuut-Ritt]

We've got 19 respondents and so far it's pretty much 50/50 split.  Surprising results so far.

I think most are considering command variants as line ships for your poll.  Take those out and the split would be alot different.  I wonder how many flew true line ships that weren't considered "heavy metal"

[762_XC]

"True line ships" like the HDW1?

[FPF-DieHard]

We've got 19 respondents and so far it's pretty much 50/50 split.  Surprising results so far.

I think most are considering command variants as line ships for your poll.  Take those out and the split would be alot different.  I wonder how many flew true line ships that weren't considered "heavy metal"

This poll is a lie 

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Yeah, b/c even though I like the LM and MHK.... I usually get told to fly something that is better suited to escort a Capital ship....

[Dizzy]

I think I'd give someone some karma for going back over the sgo6 kill list and tallying up how many kills were made in line ships... I bet the result will be telling.

[Riskyllama]

there's sooo many CF/BF/NCF kills it isnt funny.
It looks like over half the kills were in some sort of these ships.

[Hexx]

*Keeping in mind I took about 40 seconds to do it

give or take about 19 fights after 2268 had line ships make up the whole of the victors side
And the vast majority of those were ISC (CCY/CAY/CLY)
Take out the ISC you'd probably have about 7 fights that had the victos side composed entirely of line ships
(counting CCH/CWLs as line)

[Mutilator]

I only caught the last three or four days of the server.

Lyran - DWLP/BCPP

Romulan - KRCS

[Dizzy]

krcs is a good ship. Line ship. Fun ship.

Ya, sgo7 will have fleet rule whereby one ship in a 3 ship fleet will be a line ship and fast cruisers will be counted as capital ships for fleeting. No more stupid fights, lol. This way we might see some line fights. I dont want to take the fun out of flying cheese, u can, just not in fleets.

[Lepton]

*Keeping in mind I took about 40 seconds to do it

give or take about 19 fights after 2268 had line ships make up the whole of the victors side
And the vast majority of those were ISC (CCY/CAY/CLY)
Take out the ISC you'd probably have about 7 fights that had the victos side composed entirely of line ships
(counting CCH/CWLs as line)

This certainly points up the existing problem with line ships.  In my proposal, line ships fighting line ships would be a meaningful and desirable eventuality.

[Lepton]

krcs is a good ship. Line ship. Fun ship.

Ya, sgo7 will have fleet rule whereby one ship in a 3 ship fleet will be a line ship and fast cruisers will be counted as capital ships for fleeting. No more stupid fights, lol. This way we might see some line fights. I dont want to take the fun out of flying cheese, u can, just not in fleets.

Why not fleet capital ships?  In the system I have proposed you could have "nutty" capital ship fleets and knock-down drag-out cap fleet vs cap fleet fights.  When these cap fleets run into line ships, the line ships could merely leave the hex if they wished with no penalty.  So the nutty cap ship fleet would get the DV shift but that's it.  The other side has to raise a nutty cap ship fleet to combat it.  Same as always fleeting rules or not.  Right now if someone is fleeting with metal, you pretty much have to bring the metal to oppose it.  Same difference.

[Julin Eurthyr]

*Keeping in mind I took about 40 seconds to do it

give or take about 19 fights after 2268 had line ships make up the whole of the victors side
And the vast majority of those were ISC (CCY/CAY/CLY)
Take out the ISC you'd probably have about 7 fights that had the victos side composed entirely of line ships
(counting CCH/CWLs as line)

This certainly points up the existing problem with line ships.  In my proposal, line ships fighting line ships would be a meaningful and desirable eventuality.

ISC CC series is being considered a "heavy metal" BCH, and therefore not a line vessel.